****Juggernaut June Poker Chat Thread******

[ph_il]

I am doing well playing $5 SNGs.

...that is all.

 

[blankoblanco]

i had something goofy that amazingly was the best hand til the river, not that it would have mattered i guess since you were prob gonna bluff me unless i hit. i figured you wouldn't triple barrel since i thought you thought i wasn't going to fold

 

[vanquish]

In that case I guess I rivered you. wtf did you have though I figured you had a mid pair like 99.99999999% of the time there lol and was hoping you wouldn't be able to call since although it's perfect spot to fire with air I also fire with all my nut hands including Kx. But yeah I had 78.

just post the damn HH already

 

[switch0723]

just post the damn HH already

^^ This

 

[zachvac]

Full Tilt, $1/$2 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $176.70 (88.4 bb)
MP: $80.90 (40.5 bb)
CO: $238.30 (119.2 bb)
BTN: $322.90 (161.5 bb)
SB: $184 (92 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 8

7

2 folds, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $15

Flop: ($45) 9

4

2

(2 players)

zachvac: I JUST DID THAT SO YOU'D NOTICE ME
zachvac: HI


Hero bets $25, CO calls $25

Turn: ($95) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $50, CO calls $50

River: ($195) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $103 and is all-in, CO folds

Results: $195 pot ($3 rake)
Hero mucked 8

7

(a pair of Eights) and won $192 ($95 net)

 

[switch0723]

I figured you had a mid pair like 99.99999999% of the time there

why are you shoving river as a bluff when you have showdown value against what you think he has?

 

[blankoblanco]

omg vinniexpooh (minus the x) at PS100NL is the biggest retard, he's the nittiest nit to ever nit and it seems his new strategy is to 3bet shove 100BB as his standard reraise. i've yet to see it showdown, wondering if AK is part of what he's doing that with. probably, seeing as he's a brain damaged rakeback pro

 

[vanquish]

omg vinniexpooh (minus the x) at PS100NL is the biggest retard, he's the nittiest nit to ever nit and it seems his new strategy is to 3bet shove 100BB as his standard reraise. i've yet to see it showdown, wondering if AK is part of what he's doing that with. probably, seeing as he's a brain damaged rakeback pro

that guy is awful

 

[zachvac]

why are you shoving river as a bluff when you have showdown value against what you think he has?

This is really bad logic. I'll explain why when I finish the session,.

 

[vanquish]

NEW FRIEND HELLO HELLO

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $301.80 (301.8 bb)
BB: $110.40 (110.4 bb)
UTG+1: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
MP1: $121.60 (121.6 bb)
MP2: $66.35 (66.4 bb)
MP3: $134.50 (134.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $106.95 (107 bb)
BTN: $101.50 (101.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with Q

Q

4 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN folds, SB raises to $7, BB folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($15) J

T

K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($15) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11, SB raises to $22, Hero raises to $99.95 and is all-in, SB calls $77.95

River: ($214.90) 4

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results (listed below in white, highlight to see): $214.90 pot ($3 rake)
SB showed Ah Th (two pairs, Aces and Tens) and lost (-$106.95 net)
Hero showed Qh Qc (a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $211.90 ($104.95 net)

 

[Monoxide]

lol

 

[Caseace48]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA&feature=player_embedded

^ ^^ ^ puts everything into perspective IMO

 

[Tygran]

omg vinniexpooh (minus the x) at PS100NL is the biggest retard, he's the nittiest nit to ever nit and it seems his new strategy is to 3bet shove 100BB as his standard reraise. i've yet to see it showdown, wondering if AK is part of what he's doing that with. probably, seeing as he's a brain damaged rakeback pro

that guy is awful

lol..yep

i am curious about those 3bet shoves.

I had him check a FH behind once... maybe he was afraid of quads?

 

[WVHillbilly]

Your boy:

huckfelmuth: OMG MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: I THINK I KNOW U
huckfelmuth: U R MY HER MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: HERO I MEAN
huckfelmuth: NOT HER LOL
huckfelmuth: OMG MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: TALK TO UR FANS
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS IF U DON'T ANSWER
I'M GONNA SLOWROLL U SON
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS DON'T DISCONNECT
huckfelmuth: SERIOUSLY BRO
huckfelmuth: DON'T GO ALL LEBRON ON ME
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: IF U DON'T ANSWER
huckfelmuth: I'M GONNA TELL ALL UR FAMILY
UR GAY
huckfelmuth: WOW MRSPAULS WAT A LOSER
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: WTF
huckfelmuth: ANSWER ME
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: WTF ANSWER ME U GAY

Unfortunately for him I turn off chat while I play. I turned it back on right at the end of the session, specifically because I wanted to see if he had typed anything interesting.

 

[S93]

Your boy:

huckfelmuth: OMG MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: I THINK I KNOW U
huckfelmuth: U R MY HER MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: HERO I MEAN
huckfelmuth: NOT HER LOL
huckfelmuth: OMG MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: TALK TO UR FANS
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS IF U DON'T ANSWER
I'M GONNA SLOWROLL U SON
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS DON'T DISCONNECT
huckfelmuth: SERIOUSLY BRO
huckfelmuth: DON'T GO ALL LEBRON ON ME
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: IF U DON'T ANSWER
huckfelmuth: I'M GONNA TELL ALL UR FAMILY
UR GAY
huckfelmuth: WOW MRSPAULS WAT A LOSER
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: WTF
huckfelmuth: ANSWER ME
huckfelmuth: MRSPAULS
huckfelmuth: WTF ANSWER ME U GAY

Unfortunately for him I turn off chat while I play. I turned it back on right at the end of the session, specifically because I wanted to see if he had typed anything interesting.

lol this is that guy that made that awsome intro post not long ago?
I thought that was a gimmick acount

 

[vanquish]

lol this is that guy that made that awsome intro post not long ago?
I thought that was a gimmick acount

well the real guy probably saw the gimmick post and got kinda pissed...

 

[WVHillbilly]

I have no idea who he is other than the stuff that Zach and Monoxide posted.

Obviously likes to hear himself talk.

 

[KingCurtis]

Dealer: misiapa, it's your turn. You have 15 seconds to act
Dealer: Player misiapa has requested TIME
misiapa: AK
Dealer: Game #28930589757: KingCurtis67 wins pot ($2.80)
KingCurtis67: wow nice fold
KingCurtis67: how do you fold?
XcuzeMyDuzt: LOL
misiapa: you had three of a kind
KingCurtis67: i had jack * * * *
XcuzeMyDuzt: lmao


PokerStars Game #28930589757: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2009/06/03 0:38:49 ET
Table 'Cressida VII' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hoglips ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 2: XcuzeMyDuzt ($6.39 in chips)
Seat 3: KingCurtis67 ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JSBlink69 ($2.76 in chips)
Seat 5: taxituna ($9.58 in chips)
Seat 6: gambitespn ($6.48 in chips)
Seat 7: neppper ($3.68 in chips)
Seat 8: frizzly fry ($10.80 in chips)
Seat 9: misiapa ($10.29 in chips)
JSBlink69: posts small blind $0.02
taxituna: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [Ts Js]
gambitespn: folds
neppper: folds
frizzly fry: folds
misiapa: raises $0.20 to $0.25
Hoglips: folds
XcuzeMyDuzt: folds
KingCurtis67: calls $0.25
Hoglips leaves the table
JSBlink69: calls $0.23
taxituna: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 3s Kc]
JSBlink69: checks
misiapa: bets $0.40
KingCurtis67: raises $0.65 to $1.05
JSBlink69: folds
misiapa: calls $0.65
*** TURN *** [8h 3s Kc] [6s]
misiapa: checks
KingCurtis67: bets $1.55
Wooo Wooo joins the table at seat #1
misiapa said, "AK"
misiapa: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.55) returned to KingCurtis67
KingCurtis67 collected $2.80 from pot
KingCurtis67: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.90 | Rake $0.10
Board [8h 3s Kc 6s]
Seat 1: Hoglips folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: XcuzeMyDuzt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: KingCurtis67 (button) collected ($2.80)
Seat 4: JSBlink69 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: taxituna (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: gambitespn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: neppper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: frizzly fry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: misiapa folded on the Turn

 

[zachvac]

This is really bad logic. I'll explain why when I finish the session,.

ok so let's make it real simple and say that no matter what he checks back river. Then we can ignore stuff like information and having to deal with getting bluffed off best hand/calling with worse.

So there's a linear spectrum of hands he has now with certain value since it's the river with no cards to come. At some point on that spectrum is the point at which he will call a river bet. Also at some point on that spectrum is our hand. If our hand is at the dividing call/fold point for his hand you are right we should check because we don't fold out worse or get a call from better. If we have complete air we should compare given the pot odds of our bluff whether enough of his range is a fold to make the bluff profitable. Similarly if our hand is somewhere in between the set of hands we need to compare is out of the hands better than ours, does he fold enough to make it worth the bluff.

So onto the actual hand. First off I had it set up so my river bet is about 1/2 pot. This is enough to have some FE imo and also a good size to have a really good price on the bluff. As long as he folds 33% of the time or more, we are showing a profit. So we can ignore the hands that are worse than ours, because whether we bet or check we pick up the pot. I expect him to 4-bet AA/KK/AK like 99% of the time. My estimate of his calling range is basically any kings, he probably flats KQ/maybe KJ to the 3-bet. I also think he flats a lot of mid-high pairs, pairs that he thinks are ahead of my 3-bet range but not good enough to 4-bet and don't want to turn them into a bluff against my weak range. Those hands are always calling flop/turn. Basically I expect like 90% of his overall range here to fold. Therefore it really doesn't matter the value of our hand. I think there are at least half as many hands in his range that are better than mine and fold as there are that call the shove, therefore it is a profitable bluff imo. You kind of have a point with showdown value but just checking "because we have showdown value" really isn't that great of logic. We need to consider whether we can profitably bluff and showdown value is not a static yes or no question. I'm pretty low down on the showdown value spectrum and I think there are enough better hands that fold to turn it into a bluff. This time he had a hand that basically made my options neutral, but I do believe that he has at least half as many hands that beat me that fold as he does that beat me and call. And that's what we should be considering.

edit: also lol at huckfelmuth

 

[feitr]

I'm just so sick of the losing days :S Way back when i would have some pretty bad losing sessions but i'd have a good 5x the amount of winning sessions as losing sessions and it just seems like i am having a -$1500 day every other day now. I simply cannot win hands and i have no idea what to do about it. I try to believe that everything will even out, but every day ends up with me just getting raped. As much as i try to rationalize it w/ -all in EV and super low W$SD when my style should result in a real high W$SD, maybe i just suck. It has just been so long since i have run what i would consider "ok" let alone remotely good.

Anyways, i won't be around here anymore. Phasing out all forums so i have more time for RL stuff and i don't like poker enough to be talking about it anymore. Basically, i can barely stand playing so i need to have 100% of "poker time" be actual play if i'm giong to be able to continue. If i don't stop running like shit i'm just going to quit anyways, since this is just damn frustrating and not worth the time/effort when i am incapable of winning a poker hand. I keep waiting for the time when i might have a session where i win SD hands at like 55% or somethign but it never comes and after 50k hands of this bullshit it is seriously frustrating. No confidence at all right now and i just can't be ****ed anymore. So thanks, it was fun, enjoyed my time here and learnt quite a bit/hope i helped some ppl out. Bye!

 

[zachvac]

and assuming it's all the same guy the huckfelmuth guy also made a 2p2 account and posted in the regs thread shit-talking a 100nl reg for saying he'd play him HU at 5/10 then not actually playing him. Sort of like exactly the same thing he did to me. I linked it back in May.

 

[NineLions]

I had to thank the guy afterwards for letting me show it.


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HAND #1
--------------------

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: 48.5 bb
MP1: 186.5 bb
MP2: 98.5 bb
MP3: 261.5 bb
CO: 18.5 bb
BTN: 112 bb
Hero (SB): 106 bb

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J

9

MP1 calls 1 bb, MP2 calls 1 bb, MP3 folds, CO folds, BTN calls 1 bb, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (5 bb) Q

A

T

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5 bb) Q

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

River: (5 bb) K

(5 players)
Hero bets 3 bb, BB folds, MP1 raises to 10 bb, MP2 folds, BTN folds, Hero raises to 30 bb, MP1 raises to 50 bb, Hero raises to 105 bb and is all-in, MP1 calls 55 bb

Results: 215 bb pot (10.5 bb rake)
Hero showed J

9

(a royal flush) and won 204.5 bb (98.5 bb net)
MP1 mucked 6

8

(a flush, Ace high) and lost (-106 bb net)

 

[vanquish]

I'm just so sick of the losing days :S Way back when i would have some pretty bad losing sessions but i'd have a good 5x the amount of winning sessions as losing sessions and it just seems like i am having a -$1500 day every other day now. I simply cannot win hands and i have no idea what to do about it. I try to believe that everything will even out, but every day ends up with me just getting raped. As much as i try to rationalize it w/ -all in EV and super low W$SD when my style should result in a real high W$SD, maybe i just suck. It has just been so long since i have run what i would consider "ok" let alone remotely good.

Anyways, i won't be around here anymore. Phasing out all forums so i have more time for RL stuff and i don't like poker enough to be talking about it anymore. Basically, i can barely stand playing so i need to have 100% of "poker time" be actual play if i'm giong to be able to continue. If i don't stop running like shit i'm just going to quit anyways, since this is just damn frustrating and not worth the time/effort when i am incapable of winning a poker hand. I keep waiting for the time when i might have a session where i win SD hands at like 55% or somethign but it never comes and after 50k hands of this bullshit it is seriously frustrating. No confidence at all right now and i just can't be ****ed anymore. So thanks, it was fun, enjoyed my time here and learnt quite a bit/hope i helped some ppl out. Bye!

 

[roundcat]

puts everything into perspective IMO

Awesome, thank you for the video!

 

[roundcat]

I'm just so sick of the losing days :S Way back when i would have some pretty bad losing sessions but i'd have a good 5x the amount of winning sessions as losing sessions and it just seems like i am having a -$1500 day every other day now. I simply cannot win hands and i have no idea what to do about it. I try to believe that everything will even out, but every day ends up with me just getting raped. As much as i try to rationalize it w/ -all in EV and super low W$SD when my style should result in a real high W$SD, maybe i just suck. It has just been so long since i have run what i would consider "ok" let alone remotely good.

Anyways, i won't be around here anymore. Phasing out all forums so i have more time for RL stuff and i don't like poker enough to be talking about it anymore. Basically, i can barely stand playing so i need to have 100% of "poker time" be actual play if i'm giong to be able to continue. If i don't stop running like shit i'm just going to quit anyways, since this is just damn frustrating and not worth the time/effort when i am incapable of winning a poker hand. I keep waiting for the time when i might have a session where i win SD hands at like 55% or somethign but it never comes and after 50k hands of this bullshit it is seriously frustrating. No confidence at all right now and i just can't be ****ed anymore. So thanks, it was fun, enjoyed my time here and learnt quite a bit/hope i helped some ppl out. Bye!

So sorry to hear that. Please take a break, give yourself some time to renew and come back!