****Juggernaut June Poker Chat Thread******

[kleitches]

I'm just so sick of the losing days :S Way back when i would have some pretty bad losing sessions but i'd have a good 5x the amount of winning sessions as losing sessions and it just seems like i am having a -$1500 day every other day now. I simply cannot win hands and i have no idea what to do about it. I try to believe that everything will even out, but every day ends up with me just getting raped. As much as i try to rationalize it w/ -all in EV and super low W$SD when my style should result in a real high W$SD, maybe i just suck. It has just been so long since i have run what i would consider "ok" let alone remotely good.

Anyways, i won't be around here anymore. Phasing out all forums so i have more time for RL stuff and i don't like poker enough to be talking about it anymore. Basically, i can barely stand playing so i need to have 100% of "poker time" be actual play if i'm giong to be able to continue. If i don't stop running like shit i'm just going to quit anyways, since this is just damn frustrating and not worth the time/effort when i am incapable of winning a poker hand. I keep waiting for the time when i might have a session where i win SD hands at like 55% or somethign but it never comes and after 50k hands of this bullshit it is seriously frustrating. No confidence at all right now and i just can't be ****ed anymore. So thanks, it was fun, enjoyed my time here and learnt quite a bit/hope i helped some ppl out. Bye!

Actually I was thinking of quitting as well. Not really because I've been running horribly and losing confidence, but just because I have practically zero motivation to play anymore. I'm not sure what did it, but I just sorta woke up one day and didn't feel like playing poker, and I haven't really gotten the urge to play since. Poker used to be fun, but it's become stressful for me because I put so much pressure on myself to become better and I focused too much on my results. Not only that, but I just played too much. The money I was making didn't justify the long hours I spent in front of the computer, neglecting other areas of my life.

I've got a whole summer ahead of me, and while I won't outright say I'm not going to play poker anymore, I'm certain I'm going to be cutting back my playing time dramatically and focus my energies on other things in my life that I have passion for, like playing music or having sex with my girlfriend. K, bye.

 

[Lemlywinks]

Yeah I wanted to take them off but the movie is all blurry if you don't have them on, it was frustrating.

Talk about it. The theater i went to ONLY offered 3D, which blew b/c the glasses are too big and bulky + couldn't watch it w/o them.

All in all, the movie was good. The talking dog was awesome but they overplayed some of the "sentimental" stuff a lot

 

[Lemlywinks]

KC Masterpiece BBQ flavored chips are the best. Doritos Zesty Taco and Chipotle Ranch are a close second.

Sounds like you like spicy... try Cape Cod Jalapeño and aged cheddar imo

They are amazing to say the least

 

[dsvw56]

I just ate three peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, each with a different type of jelly. All of them were awesome.

 

[c9h13no3]

I just ate three peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, each with a different type of jelly. All of them were awesome.

Did they have rice crispies in them to make them crunchy? If not, you sir don't know the meaning of awesome.

 

[wsorbust]

Fun month ahead, I can tell.

 

[Jagsti]

I'm just so sick of the losing days :S Way back when i would have some pretty bad losing sessions but i'd have a good 5x the amount of winning sessions as losing sessions and it just seems like i am having a -$1500 day every other day now. I simply cannot win hands and i have no idea what to do about it. I try to believe that everything will even out, but every day ends up with me just getting raped. As much as i try to rationalize it w/ -all in EV and super low W$SD when my style should result in a real high W$SD, maybe i just suck. It has just been so long since i have run what i would consider "ok" let alone remotely good.

Anyways, i won't be around here anymore. Phasing out all forums so i have more time for RL stuff and i don't like poker enough to be talking about it anymore. Basically, i can barely stand playing so i need to have 100% of "poker time" be actual play if i'm giong to be able to continue. If i don't stop running like shit i'm just going to quit anyways, since this is just damn frustrating and not worth the time/effort when i am incapable of winning a poker hand. I keep waiting for the time when i might have a session where i win SD hands at like 55% or somethign but it never comes and after 50k hands of this bullshit it is seriously frustrating. No confidence at all right now and i just can't be ****ed anymore. So thanks, it was fun, enjoyed my time here and learnt quite a bit/hope i helped some ppl out. Bye!

Feitr, you sound like your having a run similar to mine. I really don't know what advice I can offer, but I have certainly felt similar emotions to yourself. Unfortunately, I can't bring myself to quit. I actually rely on what little profits I do earn from poker (lol at this year as I still have not had a decent winning month). I'm actually living on profits made from last year wtf!

I think you've had a bad run before, if memory serves me right, and you came back and had a decent run. Just take a break, then come back and re-evaluate. Whatever you do m8, good luck with it and hope you stay around because I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[eNTy]

the total eclipse thing actually made me lol

 

[switch0723]

omg vinniexpooh (minus the x) at PS100NL is the biggest retard, he's the nittiest nit to ever nit and it seems his new strategy is to 3bet shove 100BB as his standard reraise. i've yet to see it showdown, wondering if AK is part of what he's doing that with. probably, seeing as he's a brain damaged rakeback pro

lol ye, he plays like 8/6 or something stupid right?

So onto the actual hand. First off I had it set up so my river bet is about 1/2 pot. This is enough to have some FE imo and also a good size to have a really good price on the bluff. As long as he folds 33% of the time or more, we are showing a profit. So we can ignore the hands that are worse than ours, because whether we bet or check we pick up the pot. I expect him to 4-bet AA/KK/AK like 99% of the time. My estimate of his calling range is basically any kings, he probably flats KQ/maybe KJ to the 3-bet. I also think he flats a lot of mid-high pairs, pairs that he thinks are ahead of my 3-bet range but not good enough to 4-bet and don't want to turn them into a bluff against my weak range. Those hands are always calling flop/turn. Basically I expect like 90% of his overall range here to fold. Therefore it really doesn't matter the value of our hand. I think there are at least half as many hands in his range that are better than mine and fold as there are that call the shove, therefore it is a profitable bluff imo. You kind of have a point with showdown value but just checking "because we have showdown value" really isn't that great of logic. We need to consider whether we can profitably bluff and showdown value is not a static yes or no question. I'm pretty low down on the showdown value spectrum and I think there are enough better hands that fold to turn it into a bluff. This time he had a hand that basically made my options neutral, but I do believe that he has at least half as many hands that beat me that fold as he does that beat me and call. And that's what we should be considering.

ah well that makes more sense if you think he has like tt/jj etc, i was under the impression that you were basically certain he had a mid pp, which you obv beat and probably doesnt call a river shove, so checking just prevents you from valuetowning yourself, but given the fact you think he has better hands in his range that obv changes everything

 

[eNTy]

C9 is right, gotta bet them
chec callingflop is the only way im getting his stack i think, right ?

MP1: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
MP2: $35.10 (140.4 bb)
Hero (MP3): $25 (100 bb)
CO: $35.95 (143.8 bb)
BTN: $25 (100 bb)
SB: $32.20 (128.8 bb)
BB: $5.35 (21.4 bb)
UTG: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
UTG+1: $31.70 (126.8 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 4:diamond: 4:spade:
4 folds, Hero raises to $1, CO raises to $1.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75
Flop: ($3.85) K:heart: A:diamond: 4:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn: ($8.85) 3:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, CO raises to $31.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $15.25 and is all-in
River: ($50.35) J:heart: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $50.35 pot ($2.45 rake)
Hero showed 4:diamond: 4:spade: (three of a kind, Fours) and won $47.90 ($22.90 net)
CO mucked A:heart: K:diamond: (two pairs, Aces and Kings) and lost (-$25 net)

People are finally stacking to me with having/getting on the next cards, the nuts
its so refreshing

MP1: $32 (128 bb)
MP2: $63.90 (255.6 bb)
MP3: $7.25 (29 bb)
CO: $56.55 (226.2 bb)
BTN: $5.70 (22.8 bb)
SB: $26.40 (105.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $8.55 (34.2 bb)
UTG+1: $24.75 (99 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A:spade: A:club:
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB folds, Hero raises to $2, MP2 calls $1.75, MP3 folds, BTN calls $1.75
Flop: ($6.35) J:club: 2:diamond: 2:club: (3 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4, BTN calls $3.70 and is all-in
Turn: ($18.05) 7:heart: (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero bets $19 and is all-in, MP2 calls $19
River: ($56.05) 5:club: (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $56.05 pot ($2.75 rake)
Hero showed A:spade: A:club: (two pairs, Aces and Twos) and won $53.30 ($28.30 net)
MP2 mucked Q:heart: J:heart: (two pairs, Jacks and Twos) and lost (-$25 net)
BTN mucked 6:spade: 6:diamond: (two pairs, Sixes and Twos) and lost (-$5.70 net)

 

[switch0723]

stop trying to take over complicated lines imo, just check/raise flop, or donk bet 3 streets for value

 

[Jurn8]

I think her would stack top two on the flop in a 3bet pot tbh. Also your set mining OOP with odds to I think.

 

[orangepeeleo]

One of my goals this month was to start laying down hands when theres a good chance i'm beat, this guy was nice enough to show me that so far it's going well

His stats were like 57/3, 0% 3bet lol

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $1.91 (95.5 bb)
MP: $0.88 (44 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.21 (110.5 bb)
BTN: $2.62 (131 bb)
SB: $0.99 (49.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A:heart: Q:heart:
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN raises to $0.30, 3 folds

Results: $0.15 pot
BTN showed A:diamond: K:club: (high card Ace) and won $0.15 ($0.09 net)



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HAND #2
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP: $1.63 (81.5 bb)
CO: $1.16 (58 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.11 (105.5 bb)
SB: $2.75 (137.5 bb)
BB: $0.96 (48 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 7:club: A:club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.30, 2 folds

Results: $0.14 pot
SB showed A:heart: K:club: (high card Ace) and won $0.14 ($0.08 net)
Yey

Not a huge brag, and to most people here they might be easy folds but i've had some problems with my discipline at 6max and i'm really trying to sort it out and stop calling 3bets/raises so much, specially at the donkey stakes i'm at just now It might just be that i'm improving at last lol

 

[orangepeeleo]

Oh... and i signed off from the army on monday!!!! approx 363 days from now i will be a civvie and living a normal life with my wife and kids! plus my poker life won't be interrupted by op tours to afghan! and, as an added bonus i'm now only doing a 3 month tour this september instead of the full 6-7 months b/c they have a duty of care to make sure i'm back in the uk for the last 6 months of my service so i can sort my future life out/do courses etc

Awesome bit of real life news for me imo Roll on June 2010 lol

 

[eNTy]

stop trying to take over complicated lines imo, just check/raise flop, or donk bet 3 streets for value

This isnt that complicated is it.
Just beluga. If I donk 3 streets am i getting my stack in ?
I think this is the fastest and easiest way to get stacks in.
I mean I cant be sure he has AK for top 2 so this works out either way I think ?

I think her would stack top two on the flop in a 3bet pot tbh. Also your set mining OOP with odds to I think.

Do you mean without odds ?
Cause im not folding to a min3bet.

 

[c9h13no3]

Not a huge brag, and to most people here they might be easy folds but i've had some problems with my discipline at 6max and i'm really trying to sort it out and stop calling 3bets/raises so much, specially at the donkey stakes i'm at just now It might just be that i'm improving at last lol

I really think it is a huge brag for a microstakes player. Knowing when to fold dominated hands against nits adds so much to your edge that its retarded. Its not sexy, but its far more important than any 3-streets of thin value/4-bet bluff that you'll run.

In No Limit games, a ton of your edge comes from folding. Not playing pots against strong ranges IS an edge. If you fold in those spots, and they don't, think about how much $ those save you in the long run. Money saved at the poker table spends just as well as money earned.

 

[eNTy]

^qft
i still have trouble sometimes with the same thing

also because they showed u get like instantly rewarded !

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Just ordered this from the FullTilt store.

Beat: $162 rakeback hit. Feels strange to check your rakeback provider's site and see a negative number there...

 

[The Shrog]

Just watched a video blog of Jean-Robert acting like a complete tool...shocking.

 

[bw07507]

man i really wish stars would stop ****ing me in the ass over and over

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (CO): $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $57.20 (57.2 bb)
BB: $119.05 (119.1 bb)
MP: $104.20 (104.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with Q

Q

MP raises to $3, Hero calls $3, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($10) 9

4

Q

(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $6, Hero raises to $20, SB raises to $54.20 and is all-in, MP raises to $101.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $77 and is all-in

Turn: ($258.20) 9

(3 players, 3 are all-in)
River: ($258.20) A

(3 players, 3 are all-in)

Results: $258.20 pot ($2 rake)
MP showed 9

9

(four of a kind, Nines) and won $256.20 ($156.20 net)
Hero mucked Q

Q

(a full house, Queens full of Nines) and lost (-$100 net)
SB mucked Q

A

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and lost (-$57.20 net)

 

[eNTy]

Had the same belgo when I cleared a $20 increment of my bonus but didnt play more gave me negative number as well

At least you get to say u got 1 outered bw ?

 

[The Shrog]

So I was working on the $250 reload bonus a few months ago before I had to take a break for a while...now that I'm back to the grind, I am seeing that it's going to be impossible for me to clear by Aug. 20th playing 10nl. Call me lame, but I contacted Stars to see if they could 1.) Extend it, or 2.) Give me a partial bonus.

Hello Brad,

Thank you for your email.

We advice you to collect as many FPPs as possible and contact after the
expiration date of your bonus with your request, then, a supervisor will
look into your case.

Please note a partial bonus is not possible.

If you have any other questions please do not hesitate in contacting us.

Regards,

Pierre A
PokerStars Support Team

Maybe something good will come of this?

 

[bw07507]

At least you get to say u got 1 outered bw ?

Id rather say i havent and win the hand.

 

[Jurn8]

sigh, think im just going to move back to 25nl, I cant be bothered with losing anymore, just going to 16 table 25nl until I am more confident and have a more solid game regarding stuff I learnt from switch and zach. I am pretty sure I have an ok edge there tbh so I am bumping up tables abit to pad out profits, also clearing the everest $300 2p2 bonus for abit of extra cash just waiting for my neteller and moneybookers accounts to be verified.

Pride = dented

 

[eNTy]

have you ever wanted to die
dont ever try to fly
dont ever try to fly