****July Poker Chat Thread****

[kleitches]

Happy 4th to you fellow Americans on this board!

 

[pantin007]

lol at winning a 200bb pot in plo with bottom pair ( we both had monster draws but they all missed)

 

[switch0723]

1 portion of high variance please



Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $175.20 (175.2 bb)
CO: $110.40 (110.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $173.37 (173.4 bb)
SB: $51.95 (52 bb)
BB: $107.45 (107.5 bb)
UTG+2: $20 (20 bb)
MP1: $22.55 (22.6 bb)
MP2: $21.50 (21.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with J

K

5 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 5

A

3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB calls $13.50

River: ($44.50) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $98, BB folds

Results: $44.50 pot ($2.20 rake)

I will 1 day have a red line that belgo will have a raging erection from the sight of



in before sexual innuendos

 

[pantin007]

[x] loves the river bet

 

[blankoblanco]

1 portion of high variance please



Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $175.20 (175.2 bb)
CO: $110.40 (110.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $173.37 (173.4 bb)
SB: $51.95 (52 bb)
BB: $107.45 (107.5 bb)
UTG+2: $20 (20 bb)
MP1: $22.55 (22.6 bb)
MP2: $21.50 (21.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with J

K

5 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 5

A

3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

Turn: ($17.50) 2

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.50, BB calls $13.50

River: ($44.50) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $98, BB folds

Results: $44.50 pot ($2.20 rake)

ut oh, dont give enty any ideas

 

[eNTy]

i very rarely overbet anything ever
either as a bluff or for value

 

[zachvac]

i very rarely overbet anything ever
either as a bluff or for value

Why not?

 

[jdeliverer]

When are you supposed to?

 

[eNTy]

Why not?

VVVVV

When are you supposed to?

I never know when it is best to, like if i want value if its going to be called at all rather than a normal bet and stuff like that
basically too advanced move for me i guess

PS: i hate poker today

 

[blankoblanco]

well the most obvious (but far from the only) times to do it for value are say when there's like 4 to a straight on the board and you have the super nuts (JT on 9876 and you want to just own a T, and often a 5) or you have quads/the super boat on a full house making board and you want to zeebo some guy who can't fold a good boat (AA or JT on JJJ98). in most situations like that against weakish players you'd be losing money by not overbetting

for a bluff it's just when you can tell the guy is trying to play pot control with something marginal but they're not prepared to call a huge bet. but uh yeah i wouldnt really use that at 50NL HU especially since you're trying to play against weak players in the first place and their weakness will usually be overvaluing hands rather than undervaluing

 

[Deco]

FML.

I'm not sure if I should look at that graph and be happy as my streak as of late pales in comparison to that horrible horrible graph.

On the other hand I'm filled with dread that one day that WILL happen to me

Condolences mate, hope it improves soon.

 

[Deco]

lol decided to play CC freeroll for some reason. Was 1/3 then these 2 hands with only one in between:

Full Tilt, 1,200/2,400 blinds, 300 ante NL Hold'em Tourney, 3 Players

Hero (SB): 97,404 (40.6 bb)
BB: 69,088 (28.8 bb)
BTN: 39,008 (16.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

A

BTN folds, Hero raises to 5,432, BB calls 3,032

Flop: (11,764) 8

K

9

(2 players)
Hero bets 8,765, BB raises to 63,356 and is all-in, Hero calls 54,591

Turn: (138,476) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (138,476) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 138,476 pot
BB showed 8

4

(three of a kind, Eights) and won 138,476 (69,388 net)
Hero showed A

A

(two pairs, Aces and Eights) and lost (-69,088 net)





Full Tilt, 1,200/2,400 blinds, 300 ante NL Hold'em Tourney, 3 Players

Hero (BB): 32,516 (13.5 bb)
BTN: 136,976 (57.1 bb)
SB: 36,008 (15 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 7

A

BTN folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (5,700) K

A

7

(2 players)
SB bets 2,400, Hero raises to 6,554, SB raises to 33,308 and is all-in, Hero calls 23,262 and is all-in

Turn: (65,332) K

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (65,332) 9

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: 65,332 pot
SB showed K

8

(three of a kind, Kings) and won 65,332 (32,816 net)
Hero showed 7

A

(two pairs, Aces and Kings) and lost (-32,516 net)

Before this post I had always presumed that private tourneys tended to have rather tough fields.
I feel rather foolish for thinking this now.
A freeroll's a freeroll I guess.

 

[WVHillbilly]

My contribution to BW's EV graph.

The very 1st hand after he sits at a deep table I was trying to start.

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BTN): $121.50 (121.5 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with A

K

Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $121.50 and is all-in, BB calls $90 and is all-in

Flop: ($200) J

8

6

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($200) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($200) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $200 pot ($0.50 rake)
Hero showed A

K

(a pair of Aces) and won $199.50 ($99.50 net)
BB showed Q

Q

(a pair of Queens) and lost (-$100 net)

And even though you may not believe it, I always had cards when I played back at you today. I was a total cardrack any time you were in the hand.

 

[SeanyJ]

i very rarely overbet anything ever
either as a bluff or for value

Overbetting in HU against fish is like..the nuts. It doesn't even have to be against fish it confuses the hell out of regs too.

 

[zachvac]

Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

SB: $387.50 (193.8 bb)
BB: $197 (98.5 bb)
UTG: $315.25 (157.6 bb)
MP: $216.40 (108.2 bb)
CO: $43.15 (21.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with A

6

3 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($12) 3

K

5

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($12) Q

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($12) K

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Results: $12 pot ($0.60 rake)
Hero showed A

6

(a pair of Kings) and lost (-$4 net)
SB showed Q

K

(a full house, Kings full of Queens) and won $11.40 ($7.40 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$4 net)

 

[blankoblanco]

Overbetting in HU against fish is like..the nuts.

i assume you mean more for value than for bluffs though, ya? the thing with most fish at HU in my limited experience is that they'll basically look for any excuse possible to call you with 2nd pair or better -- often true in other forms of the game but of course magnified heads up. they've heard the whole ESPN norman chad mantra of "a pair is a great hand HU!" and they take it to heart, so i would usually not be in the habit of trying to get fish off hands in that fashion

 

[SeanyJ]

i assume you mean more for value than for bluffs though, ya? the thing with most fish at HU in my limited experience is that they'll basically look for any excuse possible to call you with 2nd pair or better -- often true in other forms of the game but of course magnified heads up. they've heard the whole ESPN norman chad mantra of "a pair is a great hand HU!" and they take it to heart, so i would usually not be in the habit of trying to get fish off hands in that fashion

Yeah for fish it's pretty much always for value, unless they're a nit fish that is just playing with scared money. I've taken lines against fish where I just two times pot it on the flop and overshove the turn and get called by 2nd pair, it works especially well if they've seen you show a bluff once or twice.

 

[aloevera]

Damn!!! I'm 5 days late in wishing everyone a super duper money making month!! Lots of <3, luck coming all your way

 

[Jurn8]

I played 3k hands 6 tabling yesterday it was a longgggggggggggggggggggggggg day

 

[orangepeeleo]

Was up 2BI's for the day, now up 1BI thanks to this disgusting hand lol

I pretty much butchered it 170 odd bb's deep, shoulda left when i doubled up off this guy earlier on, he's a 56/18 who was dying to stack me, like calling every raise i made, b/c i doubled up when i hit my set against his AA annd stacked him, was getting called a donk through the whole session b/c of that and i kinda justify it here altho it is a slight cooler as if the 3rd ace comes i'm never stacking

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $11.34 (226.8 bb)
SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
BB: $11.63 (232.6 bb)
UTG: $10.40 (208 bb)
MP: $8.25 (165 bb)
Hero (CO): $7.81 (156.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with Q:heart: Q:diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 4:heart: A:diamond: 5:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, BTN raises to $0.56, Hero calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.49) A:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

River: ($2.39) A:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $2.30, BTN raises to $8.90, Hero calls $4.35 and is all-in

Results:[spoil] $15.69 pot ($0.75 rake)
BTN showed A:club: 5:club: (four of a kind, Aces) and won $14.94 ($7.13 net)
Hero mucked Q:heart: Q:diamond: (a full house, Aces full of Queens) and lost (-$7.81 net)
[/spoil]

 

[slycbnew]

11 BI downswing recovery... yay... need sleeepppppp

 

[slycbnew]

Unlike my normal nitty stats, I was playing this table as a 29/28...

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP: $28.25 (56.5 bb)
CO: $59.65 (119.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $72.10 (144.2 bb)
SB: $51.45 (102.9 bb)
BB: $74.90 (149.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 3d 5s
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 5d Kd 5h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.25, BB raises to $11, Hero raises to $29.50, BB raises to $73.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $41.10 and is all-in

Turn: ($144.45) Ah (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($144.45) 3c (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $144.45 pot ($2 rake)
BB showed 9c Ks (two pairs, Kings and Fives) and lost (-$72.10 net)
Hero showed 3d 5s (a full house, Fives full of Threes) and won $142.45 ($70.35 net)

 

[switch0723]

man its been like a week since i started a session by not dropping at least 2 buyins in 150 hands, today was the turn of being unable to fade a set drawing a 3bet pot, and thinking top 2 was ahead of a 73/x's range. Makes hte game fun fun

 

[tenbob]

I dont think that I've ever been this tired in my life. Just finished the walking festival over here. 4 days, 40 miles per day, carrying a pack.

Lots of blisters as well, at least though i done it, more of a personal challenge for me

 

[The Shrog]

ha

Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+2: $26.69 (266.9 bb)
MP1: $44.63 (446.3 bb)
MP2: $18.04 (180.4 bb)
MP3: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
CO: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
BTN: $12.24 (122.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $8.59 (85.9 bb)
UTG+1: $10.73 (107.3 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K

K

UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40) 8

9

4

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, MP2 raises to $3.70, Hero raises to $8.95 and is all-in, MP2 calls $5.25

Turn: ($20.30) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($20.30) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $20.30 pot ($1.35 rake)
Hero showed K

K

(a pair of Kings) and won $18.95 ($8.90 net)
MP2 showed 4

3

(a pair of Fours) and lost (-$10.05 net)