terryk said:
SnG, MTT's - Everyone at a table throws in an ante and minimum bets to start the action. Those antes and minimum bets growing larger in set time increments. Mathematically it could work out, and it blows a hole in what you said.
terryk said:
To not agree with you is combative?
This is what I said:
SnG, MTT's - Everyone at a table throws in an ante and minimum bets to start the action. Those antes and minimum bets growing larger in set time increments. Mathematically it could work out, and it blows a hole in what you said.
Blows hole in what you said means your statement has fault,is that what is combative. I gave an explanation of a scenario, and a conclusion. If blowing holes in what you said the game will go forever.
Whats does that mean, "keep it up", sound like a veiled threat. I started a legitimate thread, what is the problem to someone not agreeing with you, the whole point of the thread was I was against blinds, you're for them, No?
The definition of blows hole, the only thing you can deem combative: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/blow_a_hole_in
What you said was completely out of line, and if you or anyone deems in the broadest sense that in this thread and at this time anything I said was combative you should explain, and if you can't STOP INTIMIDATING.
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Keep the button but end the blinds
That's ridiculous. In tournament play if you didn't have the blinds the game would last to long. You also have to consider that the blinds, especially late blinds, are the motivating factors of play. That's why Texas holdem and its counterparts work the way they do...😎
That's ridiculous. In tournament play if you didn't have the blinds the game would last to long. You also have to consider that the blinds, especially late blinds, are the motivating factors of play. That's why Texas holdem and its counterparts work the way they do...😎
purple714 said:
A larger ante proportional to the negated blinds would balance, as well as the minimum opening bet increases. I think it would work. Ridiculous, lol, wow 😛.
Online Texas hold em is a stupid game, compared to online Omaha Hi / Lo and 7 card stud (hi, and hi/lo), which are thinking and memory games, and implore tactics too. Online TexasHE is popular for the aforementioned reason, anyone can play. 🙂
Anyone that actually plays poker, knows that other than needless tanking antes are the biggest slow down to play in tournaments. The dealer is constantly reminding players to ante every hand, people arguing about which player put ante in and which player did not, dealer recounting antes etc. it is annoying and takes time out of every level when antes are collected. That is why the trend in tournament poker is toward a button ante (where the player who has the button ante's for the whole table). Blind to ante ratio is a big part of tournament strategy and any talk of eliminating blinds in tournaments I find pretty laughable.
I can see how it would make the game a little different, and you'd probably have to make some small strategic adjustments... but I don't understand what specific problem you think this would this "solve". How would changing from blinds to antes make the game better?
Your first post only said you wanted to get rid of blinds, nothing about replacing them with antes. You can't get upset at people for not understanding something you hadn't said 😛
Infinity Objective said:
Your first post only said you wanted to get rid of blinds, nothing about replacing them with antes. You can't get upset at people for not understanding something you hadn't said 😛
OzExorcist said:
I never got upset I'm very calm, did you perceive me bouncing up and down like an ape 🙂, someone earlier on got upset because I responded and they made a veiled threat, and he was countered on that too. I see it working for online where people do not have to have their chips put up for sh!tty hands, the other day online I was moved from table to table and 3 times I was the big blind in 5 hands at a mtt. Yeh for online this works for me. It might change the dynamic of the game for the better, it could also be an alternate way of playing.
What only let online companies come up with their bullsh!t ideas, F'ing lol 300 chip buy ins super, mini , turbo F that 😀
Infinity Objective said:
...so what you're really saying is you're upset you got unlucky with breaking tables the other day? 😛 And that you don't like having to put in money when you have bad cards.
Sure that sucks, but the change you're suggesting won't actually fix any of the problems that you have. If you go to everyone antes instead of two blinds you're literally paying for every single bad hand you get. I don't see that as a problem whether you use blinds or antes FWIW, paying regardless of the cards you get is 100% integral to the game of poker.
Your suggestion wouldn't actually fix random "unfair" outcomes when breaking tables either. Sure you wouldn't be forced to pay blinds three times in five hands, but I suspect people would just complain about being moved into early position three tables in a row instead and never getting to play the button. Search your feelings, you know it to be true 😛
It's also somthing that simply doesn't matter in the long run - you're just as likely to be moved into early position three times in a row as you are to be moved into late position and dodge the blinds three times in a row. It all evens out in the long run.
The reality is whether you're paying a smaller ante every hand, or you use the blinds system, you're probably paying about the same in either case per round of the button.
There's another issue you haven't thought of too: stud games work with an antes because there's also the forced bring-in bet. Hold 'em doesn't have upcards though, so... who has to bring in / start the betting? Nobody? If everyone folds preflop, does the button just get to take all the antes without having had to risk any additional chips?
OzExorcist said:
I'm not upset, feeling unlucky, I've listened to everyone here. I think someone made a great point that it would slow down a live game, so I think it is a fine alternative to what is in place now for online.
Do you see the actual garbage that these online companies offer. You must, everyone must and oppose by not playing. Do you write and speak out voluminous against it, no, please no.
I threw it out there and was objective to listen to all points of view. At CC whether you have 1 post or tens of thousands shouldn't matter if you have something you want to bring to the table. I like a hearty debate, even better I hope some of these evolve into actual Think Tanks. There are tactics behind every move I make in these situations and I think there is a huge pool of talent within CC that could make significant contributions in addition to taking down MTTs that matter $.
LOL everyone folds pre-flop, last one with cards gets the pot, well of course the button. You know what if it ever takes off anyone can watch it, play it or cry to the poker gods to stop it. Biggest problem is when you've played a 100k+ hands of online Texas holdem one way the change hurts your head doesn't it? 🙂