Let's build some bankroll - who's with me?

Jagsti · Feb 7, 2008

Very impressive whodey.

Hotmilk8 · Feb 7, 2008

Jan 30th $970.00 (-30.00)
Jan 31st $1,134.00 (+164.00)
Feb 1st $1,130.00 (-4.00)
Feb 2nd $1,153.50 (+23.50)
Feb 3rd $1,218.67 (+65.17)
Feb 4th $1,334.22 (+115.55)
Feb 5th $1,286.89 (-47.33)
Feb 6th $1,252.62 (-34.27)

Having a bad run the past two days with my high pp's getting taken down by weak hands. Hopefully i'll change that around.

Hotmilk8 · Feb 7, 2008

Jan 30th $970.00 (-30.00)
Jan 31st $1,134.00 (+164.00)
Feb 1st $1,130.00 (-4.00)
Feb 2nd $1,153.50 (+23.50)
Feb 3rd $1,218.67 (+65.17)
Feb 4th $1,334.22 (+115.55)
Feb 5th $1,286.89 (-47.33)
Feb 6th $1,252.62 (-34.27)
Feb 7th $1,391.70 (+139.08)

Entered a $24+2 buy in mtt 547 entries on full tilt and i placed 10th for 144.00 so very good day.

Cheetah · Feb 8, 2008

tenbob said:
Heh, I knew that would get a reaction, and it's has had the desired result. I still feel that OP has deviated from the initial idea of building a roll based on proper BR managment. I feel that its sending out a bad message to the players on this site that the better posters are supposed to be helping and leading by example.

FYI myself and Irexes made the comment on MSN at the time I was writing this post that making this thread a sticky would be perfable to locking.

No, it hasn't had the desired reaction. Unless you wanted to piss off Chris, me, and the regulars of this forum.

Your feelings about the OP are not shared by me and Chris, possibly others.

This thread is not only not sending bad message, it is doing exactly the opposite. If you feel otherwise, this is only your opinion. Is CC about sharing of diverse opinons, or enforcing the opinions of a few?

To compare making this thread closed to sticky is incomprehensible to me. It is like you are not taking this seriously. It sounds like: "let's flip a coin and see whether to close this thread or make it sticky".

I am not surprised Chris is mad. I considered PMing him after your post, but decided against that since I think this should all be resolved in the open.

Frankly, tenbob, I think you should apologize to Chris publicly for calling him a gambler. He is anything but that. He stated his guiding principles at all stages of his bankroll and followed them.

Some, including myself, have not agreed with everything he said, but that doesn't mean that they or I am right and he is wrong. I have personally not offered a single piece of evidence that I am correct. It is all an opinion.

Let me just say that if utility of money is considered, then Chris's latest strategy not only makes sense, but may be the best one. Now, I could elaborate more on that, but how could I do that if this thread were closed? Any ideas?

tenbob · Feb 8, 2008

Cheetah said:
No, it hasn't had the desired reaction. Unless you wanted to piss off Chris, me, and the regulars of this forum.

Your feelings about the OP are not shared by me and Chris, possibly others.

This thread is not only not sending bad message, it is doing exactly the opposite. If you feel otherwise, this is only your opinion. Is CC about sharing of diverse opinons, or enforcing the opinions of a few?

To compare making this thread closed to sticky is incomprehensible to me. It is like you are not taking this seriously. It sounds like: "let's flip a coin and see whether to close this thread or make it sticky".

I am not surprised Chris is mad. I considered PMing him after your post, but decided against that since I think this should all be resolved in the open.

Frankly, tenbob, I think you should apologize to Chris publicly for calling him a gambler. He is anything but that. He stated his guiding principles at all stages of his bankroll and followed them.

Some, including myself, have not agreed with everything he said, but that doesn't mean that they or I am right and he is wrong. I have personally not offered a single piece of evidence that I am correct. It is all an opinion.

Let me just say that if utility of money is considered, then Chris's latest strategy not only makes sense, but may be the best one. Now, I could elaborate more on that, but how could I do that if this thread were closed? Any ideas?

Frankly, Cheetah, my post was not about "pissing off" anybody. If I did I apologise. As for not taking this thread seriously, there are LOTS of threads on this forum that I don't take seriously, I simply don't post in them. My post really was for both ChrisTC's own good as well at the lots of lukers that read this thread.

I simply wont back down on my comments because I feel that they are correct (and yes I am entitled to my opnion, this is a poker discussion board after all). It was not meant as a personal insult to Chris, more an attack on his aggressive style of BRM. Chasing losses is simply something I refuse to condone as a poster on this forum.

Edit : I really don't want to see this thread descend into a flame fest.

Chris_TC · Feb 8, 2008

Thanks for the support, Cheetah.

Cheetah said:
I am not surprised Chris is mad.

I just wanted to say that I'm not upset about anything other than the call for getting the thread closed.

I think tenbob's main point was that I'm supposed to be a "good example" or even a "role model" for new readers wanting to build a bankroll.
However, just because I started the thread doesn't make me anything special. There have been several people on this thread who played underrolled, and we've always given them the advice to play lower. But ultimately, it's up to everybody how they want to proceed.

In fact, if you re-read the very first post in this thread, you'll find that I have put no restrictions for building the bankroll (other than the obsolete $50 rule) in place.

In my case, everybody is guaranteed to know what happens. I won't just vanish when things go wrong. I've always kept on updating, and if this backfires you'll see my graph freefall down to zero.
If, on the other hand, it doesn't backfire, I don't think people will start wanting to follow my current BRM. We're not talking about kids who see the end result and go "I wanna do that too". Everybody can see that I lost half my bankroll twice in less than a week. The danger is obvious, so I don't think I need to be a good example at all times.

Cheetah · Feb 8, 2008

Chris_TC said:
Thanks for the support, Cheetah.

I just wanted to say that I'm not upset about anything other than the call for getting the thread closed.

I think tenbob's main point was that I'm supposed to be a "good example" or even a "role model" for new readers wanting to build a bankroll.
However, just because I started the thread doesn't make me anything special. There have been several people on this thread who played underrolled, and we've always given them the advice to play lower. But ultimately, it's up to everybody how they want to proceed.

In fact, if you re-read the very first post in this thread, you'll find that I have put no restrictions for building the bankroll (other than the obsolete $50 rule) in place.

In my case, everybody is guaranteed to know what happens. I won't just vanish when things go wrong. I've always kept on updating, and if this backfires you'll see my graph freefall down to zero.
If, on the other hand, it doesn't backfire, I don't think people will start wanting to follow my current BRM. We're not talking about kids who see the end result and go "I wanna do that too". Everybody can see that I lost half my bankroll twice in less than a week. The danger is obvious, so I don't think I need to be a good example at all times.

Yes, I re-read the OP before I got upset. tenbob, time for you to read the OP!

Let me say one more thing: Chris started this thread and even according to you (tenbob), it has been the most successful thread in recent months. This is no coincidance. And proper due should be given to Chris for staring this and maintaining it. Let's not fool ourselves, without Chris, this thread would not have made a second week.

To attack the person who did so much good is not something I can take at face value. tenbob, you have issues to explain that are way beyond opinions. I think you should apologize to Chris for calling him a gambler. That would be a starting point to discuss real poker issues.

Chris_TC · Feb 8, 2008

Thanks again, Cheetah, your post is very appreciated.

Tenbob already said that he didn't mean to insult me, I never thought he did anyway. So please let's all just drop this whole issue now. The thread is alive and kicking, and that's what matters the most.

I will be back with an update on Monday. I haven't had much time to play over the last few days, hopefully I can get a few hands in over the weekend. 80K hands during February isn't going to happen :/

pigpen02 · Feb 8, 2008

I thought sure I was going to get a jump yesterday. I had just broken even in my ring games but was WAAAAY ahead in the Ultimatebet buy-in. I could just feel the $94 in my bankroll. Well, I peed away the lead and then didn't even have the intelegence to wait until #4 (who was 1/5 of the other stacks) went out. Bet it all on a flopped ace high flush against the other big stack. Lost to turn 4 which made him quads.:icon_puke

Today my ring game netted me some gain, though, so my chart looks a little better.

42 102.5%
43 102.0%
44 101.9%
45 106.8%

wsorbust · Feb 8, 2008

Heh, I knew that would get a reaction, and it's has had the desired result. I still feel that OP has deviated from the initial idea of building a roll based on proper BR managment. I feel that its sending out a bad message to the players on this site that the better posters are supposed to be helping and leading by example.

I don't think there's anything wrong with what Ten bob said and IMO there's no reason for anyone to be upset. It does send out of a bit of a bad message in a way because the thread is named "Bankroll Management" and he was playing with all his money at one time on multiple tables. I have no problem with him changing it up after being down, being confident in his play, and using a fairly risky management of his bankroll. The way it might send a bad message is to the onlookers is that they will notice what he's doing, and think they might give it a try. Without results it should mean nothing to onlookers IMO. Hopefully that this method can put him back to where he wants if he can manage to pull it off. Chris stated his case and knows it isn't proper BR management, and people surely aren't going to read through previous posts to see what happened, but I think it was more of a suggestion, not a harsh statement on Tenbob's part, or him being an ass or something. He's a quality player and person and was only giving advice and stating his opinion.

This message has been approved by the manly Hilary Clinton.

tenbob · Feb 8, 2008

Wsorbust hit the nail on the head.

OK OK. Chris feels fine about what I said. I dont want this to descent any further off track. I made my feeling known and I feel correct and stand by my statements. This thread is likely something that i will contribute to at some stage in the future, but I have some different goals that I want to achieve first, and I have a specific goal to start from. But meh thats just me.

Chris if you feel you need an apology PM me. Cheetah stop flame baiting me. As far as im concerned this section of the thread is now over. Nice to see your graph back on an upward run again Pigpe, keep up the good work.

nubstyle · Feb 9, 2008

i broke down cause i was bored as hell on a friday night after a night of drinking and re-deposited $100 on full tilt.

after a few hands holding up and a couple of suck-outs in cash games, i'm up to $211.60

now i need to hope that while i'm sober i can continue this run and give me something to do during my boring ass classes :joyman: haha.

i've enjoyed reading this thread so far and i see what the OP was thinking at first, but i think the same way as him now, even though i have a much lower bankroll. i enjoy the gamble and don't mind sitting down at a HU NL cash game for 20-50. (i know thats horrible as hell BR management but hey i'm impatient

) i'll try to update how i do over time, but if any of you could show me how to properly create a graph and such, it'd be much appriciated

Jagsti · Feb 9, 2008

Day12 119% ($4233)
Day13 115% ($4093)
Day14 125% ($4429)
Day15 125% ($4435)
Day16 122% ($4321)
Day17 123% ($4386)
Day18 123% ($4391)

Sorry I haven't updated for the last 3 days but I have been at work and have only managed to play around 4.5k hands in that period. Pretty boring sample of hands as well, can't believe how cold the deck is lately for me, but at least there's nothing too drastic in downswing terms. I'm off for the nest 3 days so I'm hoping to get in around 9k hands.

VPP - update 2993 ppoints over 12.8k hands. 7007 more needed for Platinum.

Talking of aggro BRM, and I hope this little link takes some heat out of the situation, check this dude out. Please, please don't click this link if you suffer from a nervous disposition A total degen gambler:

88%concentration

Chris_TC · Feb 9, 2008

nubstyle said:
i've enjoyed reading this thread so far and i see what the OP was thinking at first, but i think the same way as him now, even though i have a much lower bankroll. i enjoy the gamble and don't mind sitting down at a HU NL cash game for 20-50.

I don't believe you think the same way as me at all.

First of all, you mentioned that you "re-deposited" money. This leads me to believe that you have deposited previously and lost your roll. You should probably figure out why you lost your roll before going nuts with the stakes.
I've been criticized lately, but despite all my seemingly insane play, I have yet to lose my roll. And in case I do, I will not re-deposit $2K.

Secondly, I don't enjoy the gamble. But I didn't want to grind it out for months and months just to get anywhere near back to where I was.

If you're prepared to lose those 100 bucks, then that's alright. Just make sure you understand that buying into a game for 1/4th your bankroll (something I've never done by the way) will only work for so long, if at all.

Jagsti said:
A total degen gambler:

88%concentration

Very sick stuff

player7000 · Feb 9, 2008

Geez,I thought I had a gambling problem!!!

That 88% dude is SICK!!!!

pantin007 · Feb 9, 2008

player7000 said:
Geez,I thought I had a gambling problem!!! That 88% dude is SICK!!!!

yall are not even hearing the whole story of the guy in 88% concentration

here are a few articles on him-{ his name is ed hollis}
The Curious Story of Ed Hollis (Bluescouse)
Ed "Bluescouse" Hollis - Diary of a True Poker Degenerate

nubstyle · Feb 9, 2008

Chris_TC said:
I don't believe you think the same way as me at all.

First of all, you mentioned that you "re-deposited" money. This leads me to believe that you have deposited previously and lost your roll. You should probably figure out why you lost your roll before going nuts with the stakes.
I've been criticized lately, but despite all my seemingly insane play, I have yet to lose my roll. And in case I do, I will not re-deposit $2K.

Secondly, I don't enjoy the gamble. But I didn't want to grind it out for months and months just to get anywhere near back to where I was.

If you're prepared to lose those 100 bucks, then that's alright. Just make sure you understand that buying into a game for 1/4th your bankroll (something I've never done by the way) will only work for so long, if at all.

lol well yes you are right.. i withdrew before and avoided playing online poker for a while and re-deposited 100 of it that i withdrew. i've lost some before, and yeah i understand this really isn't like you. i'm not trying to grind it out to get to a certain level, i was just not liking buying in for just 5 at some .5/.10 blinds.

i'm sorry if i pissed ya off at all

but i'll still follow your thread and progress. and that 88% thing is sick! don't know how some people can manage to do things like that at all..

best of luck on the tables still

Chris_TC · Feb 9, 2008

nubstyle said:
i'm sorry if i pissed ya off at all

Trust me, it takes a lot more to piss me off

I just wanted to point out the dangers to you because your post seemed like what some in this thread had feared: that someone might follow my example without being aware of the risks.

WhodeyX · Feb 9, 2008

Day 0: 100% ($150)
Day 1: 193% ($289)
Day 2: 174% ($261)
Day 3: 217% ($325)
Day 4: 267% ($400)
Day 5: 221% ($331)

Poor day. Played a lot of satty's for FTOPS which didn't pan out all that well and lost a $20+$2 SNG. Calling it an early day but I'm hitting it hard tommorow at two because I qualified for FTOPS 9 way back.

Cheetah · Feb 9, 2008

Jagsti said:
88%concentration

I could not believe it what I was reading and I had to re-read it several times. For those who didn't read it, I am posting an excerpt from his blog:

"bar my final £600 i've bust everything i've been lent.... so i've decided to sell the house. it's something that's been on my mind for awhile. whenever i'm broke it always seems stupid having money invested in the house but having nothing to play with."

smd173 · Feb 10, 2008

Cheetah said:
I could not believe it what I was reading and I had to re-read it several times. For those who didn't read it, I am posting an excerpt from his blog:

"bar my final £600 i've bust everything i've been lent.... so i've decided to sell the house. it's something that's been on my mind for awhile. whenever i'm broke it always seems stupid having money invested in the house but having nothing to play with."

Yeah, I couldn't believe that either. I guess it will seem even more stupid when he doesn't have a house or a computer. I guess he'll have to hit rock bottom first. It's pretty sad actually.

Jagsti · Feb 10, 2008

I wanna know who the hell are the people/friends who are lending him the money

. Are they completely insane!

Jagsti · Feb 10, 2008

Day14 125% ($4429)
Day15 125% ($4435)
Day16 122% ($4321)
Day17 123% ($4386)
Day18 123% ($4391)
Day19 119% ($4238)

Day19 - How I'm not on tilt after yesterday God only knows. I played around 1700 hands on Stars before I had to stop b/c it was seriously getting silly. Lately I have been playing whilst being card dead and cold decked and managing either small losses or gains. But yesterday there was a fair bit of bad beats, villains hitting 1 and 2 outers on the river, but it happens. I still think i'm playing ok and I managed to leave the games without blowing more money. I'm really impressed about my tilt resistance. Over the last couple of weeks I have been increasing the amount of tables I play. I have gone from playing 6-9 tables to 9-12. At one point yesterday I played 12 tables and it seemed ok. As I have said before the more tables I'm playing the nittier my stats are becoming. I'm not sure whether this is having an affect on my winrate as before this I was a little looser, I'll have to keep an eye on it.

Not sure I'm gonna get in 9k hands this weekend as my laptop is seriuosly s**t. I really do feel like harpooning it through the TV. It seems like when it's going through lots of seriously intensive stuff ( ie pokertracker downloading of hands) I get the blue screen of death.

VPP update - 3409vpp's/14500 hands.

Jagsti · Feb 10, 2008

Day15 125% ($4435)
Day16 122% ($4321)
Day17 123% ($4386)
Day18 123% ($4391)
Day19 119% ($4238)
Day20 116% ($4113)

Day20 - Just can't get anything going as of late. Today I managed to get a BI up at one stage, but then that dwindled away and I was mainly break even up until the last couple of hundred hands. From then on in it was bad beat after cooler after bad beat. In the end I called it a day, down 2.5 buy ins.

VPP's - 4035vpp's/17200hands

jr_eze · Feb 10, 2008

Semicolonkid said:
I'd love to be a part of this, but I'm one of those "starting from 0" people, so I'm afraid it may be a while before I have enough. Good luck, though.(and skill)

after pissing away a good few bankrolls tried 2 start from 0, after a week r s got up 2 $19, then got drunk n lost the lot

Let's build some bankroll - who's with me?

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