The two go hand in hand. There is no player in this world that could go through a tourney solely on skill and win it let alone even make the money. At some point in a tournament your going to need luck to either catch a card or miss some cards. Good luck on the felts!
Poker is 98.5% luck, 1.5% skill! Mathematically we should be able to calculate this easily.
For math we use following values: average pot size 11bb, hero vpip 22%, winrate 3bb/100 is also our definition of winning player, 6 max, rake 5%
Hero plays 22 hands per 100, during that time he wins 3bb+rake = wintot = 3.55 bb/100
On average hero needs to win 3.55 bb/22 per played hand = 0.161364 bb/hand
To win this hero needs to have equity edge:
eqedge*11bb=0.161364 bb\hand -> eqedge= 0.014669
So per hand we get EV=(EVwin-EVlose)=(0.5+0.014669/2)*11bb-(0.5-0.014669/2)*11bb = 0.161364 bb as we should.
If our hero is the ultimate grinder his win rate is 12bb/100 and for him its:
95% luck, 5% skill
For math we use following values: average pot size 11bb, hero vpip 22%, winrate 3bb/100 is also our definition of winning player, 6 max, rake 5%
Hero plays 22 hands per 100, during that time he wins 3bb+rake = wintot = 3.55 bb/100
On average hero needs to win 3.55 bb/22 per played hand = 0.161364 bb/hand
To win this hero needs to have equity edge:
eqedge*11bb=0.161364 bb\hand -> eqedge= 0.014669
So per hand we get EV=(EVwin-EVlose)=(0.5+0.014669/2)*11bb-(0.5-0.014669/2)*11bb = 0.161364 bb as we should.
If our hero is the ultimate grinder his win rate is 12bb/100 and for him its:
95% luck, 5% skill
Definitely agree there is a lil bit of both. But there needs to be a lil more skill then luck I believe the luck part flows with the skill and people think there lucky when the odds are in there favor jus play smart and don't let yourself get bluffed to many times sometimes you gotta jus light fire
skill is the only important thing, you will get lucky as much as your opponents but the problem in online poker is so called "action floop", u can look it up and it will be way easier to understand when you shouldnt depend on luck
Certainly in the first place is the ability to play. The ability to sense, know the game, know how to evaluate your hand on every street, the ability to make the correct rates, etc. Luck is also an important part of poker. But that is secondary. When a player understands the game, knows what moments it is necessary to engage in the struggle for the bank, it is often the impression that he was lucky.
Yes, in the movie "Kid Poker" Negreanu gives the answer to this question. When talking about his acquaintance with poker, it says that at first I thought that it is all the thing is luck, but then I began to notice that often winnings the same people, and I thought - what is wrong here not so....
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Yes, in the movie "Kid Poker" Negreanu gives the answer to this question. When talking about his acquaintance with poker, it says that at first I thought that it is all the thing is luck, but then I began to notice that often winnings the same people, and I thought - what is wrong here not so....
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