New poker movie

DS3 · Aug 9, 2021

Juan Oro said:
Greetings colleague, here I will leave you a link to find out and read what is the participation and role of Martin Scorsese in this new movie of (poker drama) where he collaborates and works with the director Paul Schrader in the creation of this new film called "the card counter"

https://theplaylist.net/martin-scorsese-paul-schrader-card-counter-20200219/

Yes, it confirms that Martin Scorsese did not co-direct the movie. Scorsese was a co-producer (not even the only producer). Producing a film is entirely different from directing a film. Its like casually claiming Scorsese co-wrote the film when he didn't.

Very few films are co-directed (it is said to be less than 1 per cent) because the director has a singular vision. The 'second unit' will take responsibility and direct and shoot as much as half of the movie but they are under the directors instructions.

Further when movies are co-directed it is most frequently by siblings such as Joel and Ethan Coen, Peter and Bobby Farrelly and then Andy and Larry Wachowski, for obvious reasons. They have grown up together and are close and in synch with each other in an exceptional way.

Obviously Scorsese and Schrader are great friends and collaborators...but...if Scorsese had directed the film he would be credited as 'director', not presenter/producer.

Backlash · Aug 9, 2021

You had me at Scorcese....

DS3 · Aug 9, 2021

Juan Oro said:
I understand that it had been correct to put Paul Schrader as writer and have Martin Scorsese as executive producer and presenter, but I got carried away by the credits of the introduction of the movie trailer and I only noticed the name of Martin Scorsese and maybe It looks like I am detracting from the film's writer in this case, which is Paul Scharader, but even so, Martin Scorsese helped and collaborated in the creation of this film as an executive producer.

anyway thanks for correcting, I tried to edit it later to put the name of Paul Schrader in the details of the information about this movie but I couldn't do it.

Juan Oro, no problem!

Martin Scorsese is a great force as a director himself of course. I actually find it interesting that he is now producing movies as this takes another set of skills! And of course the fact that Scorsese and Schrader have collaborated on the film brings a huge amount of credibility to the project.

I also understand that in naming the movie they need the broadest appeal to the public and assume this is why the movie was called 'The Card Counter'. Some poker players might question the title a little but the general public will not yet most will have a basic understanding of 'counting cards' even if it does relate to blackjack!

Pokerstudy · Aug 10, 2021

I don’t see how card counting relates to poker, and isn’t golden nugget old school downtown Vegas, where you play the simplest poker tourneys and see the real grit of old school downtown Vegas at work? I haven’t explored Vegas enough to be a connoisseur, but what I do know is...none of this movie reminds me of Vegas when I have visited or even poker in how I see it, but movies are supposed to be fun and entertaining. I will have to see it, but I am not sure how the trailer really relates to being a ‘poker’ movie, if anything it adds to the delusional idea that playing poker in itself is seedy, “IT isn’t”...I would much rather see a movie about real poker only and not all of this added prison drama etc.

I am not knocking it. It could be great! Just am not feeling it personally by the trailer.

Sorry just being honest.

Juan Oro · Aug 10, 2021

Pokerstudy said:
I don’t see how card counting relates to poker, and isn’t golden nugget old school downtown Vegas, where you play the simplest poker tourneys and see the real grit of old school downtown Vegas at work? I haven’t explored Vegas enough to be a connoisseur, but what I do know is...none of this movie reminds me of Vegas when I have visited or even poker in how I see it, but movies are supposed to be fun and entertaining. I will have to see it, but I am not sure how the trailer really relates to being a ‘poker’ movie, if anything it adds to the delusional idea that playing poker in itself is seedy, “IT isn’t”...I would much rather see a movie about real poker only and not all of this added prison drama etc.

I am not knocking it. It could be great! Just am not feeling it personally by the trailer.

Sorry just being honest.

Actually it is a Poker drama, about the life of an ex-convict who learned to count cards while he was in prison, but after he gets out of jail he is related to the world of poker, in the trailer you can see some scenes where He clearly signs up for a wsop-like poker tournament and spends some part where he plays poker.

Perhaps the title of the film is somewhat confusing and sounds more similar to blackjack 21 because of the card counting, but I have known old school poker players who also count cards while playing poker, it is more said that the legend of poker the Player Stu Ungar was a great card counter and combined that strategy with poker reading.

Let's wait for it to start and get us wondering if it will be more about poker or an ex-con drama related to the game.

Jim Rivas · Aug 10, 2021

Juan Oro said:
hi guys, i hear there's a new poker movie on its way to the movies, produced by great director martin scorsese, who has a great track record in the movie world.

The movie is called "The Card Counter"

I leave you the Link of the movie trailer so you can see it and then comment what you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCe48UASjN4

I would like more that the movie were about the life of one of today's great poker players and not a well-arranged and made-up story. The best films are those that are produced adapted as closely to real life. That is the genre of cinema that I like the most, I don't like the unreal, the world in which we live like this is enough for me.

Juan Oro · Aug 10, 2021

Jim Rivas said:
I would rather like the movie to be about the life of one of today's great poker players and not a well-arranged and made-up story. The best films are those that are produced most closely adapted to real life. That is the genre of cinema that I like the most, I don't like the unreal, the world in which we live like this is enough for me.

Of course we all expect a movie of that style based on the real life of some great recognized poker player, and I think there are 2 that of Stu Ungar and the documentary by Daniel Negreanu.

speaking of real life based poker movies this "molly's games"

Now talking about this new movie, I do not see that it is not something impossible that cannot happen in the real life of some ex-inmate who learned to play cards in jail and became a genius of the game and after he got out of prison I entered the world of Poker, so it does not seem like a bad story that is far from reality.

fernandofcp · Aug 10, 2021

Cool! I will watch this movie when it becomes available. A glamor for the poker world.

gery · Aug 10, 2021

Sounds good - normal films by martin scorsese are more then good

Joe · Aug 10, 2021

I'm very intrigued by the people in this thread who have claimed there is any kind of card counting in poker..? :icon_scra

There is card counting in blackjack because multiple decks of cards are loaded into a shoe and the cards are not shuffled between hands from that point until the shoe is empty.

You cannot count cards in poker because only one deck is used and it is thoroughly shuffled between each hand.

There is no such thing as card counting in poker.

Working out your outs etc is nothing like card counting, totally different concepts.

You can count cards in poker until the cows come home but you will only be wasting your time & mental energy because all your calculations will be utterly meaningless! :laugh:

With that being said, I'll definitely check the movie out despite the irksome title.

Regards,

Pokerstudy · Aug 10, 2021

The other issue I have with movies like this is it sticks in peoples minds that poker is seedy and dodgey... and when I tell friends I have been studying poker and plan to start to pursue it more realistically, these are the thoughts that (probably) would run through their mind lol..albeit my friends are smart enough to know I’m not like this, but the idea probably still lingers...

Poker doesn’t need to be romanticized with crime and grit to make a great story..

Poker to me isn’t like this at all so just by the trailer alone, it’s almost disrespectful to the game of playing poker IMO.

We all have different views of the game, nothing in this trailer feels like poker to me lol...but I am looking at it from my perspective of playing poker, not from a drama and gritty perspective with poker added to make an interesting drama movie.

If people have the freedom to make a movie that is gritty based around poker, I have the freedom to say it’s bullshit from a poker players perspective, again this is just my view and perspective.

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I shouldn’t be so critical it and could be a great movie, but just by those points alone for me, I am just turned off. Otherwise it looks like a good crime type drama movie that is well made.

Thanks

jfofla · Aug 10, 2021

you can be sure I'll see this movie, and if you see any other poker game movies you can send me the link.

milka1605 · Aug 10, 2021

In any case, I will wait for the premiere of the film.

GeckoAA · Aug 10, 2021

It looks like an interesting movie and I’ll definitely watch it. The fact that it has some poker in it will be just a bonus. Look forward to it, thanks for sharing Juan

Juan Oro · Aug 10, 2021

Tracid said:
Estoy muy intrigado por las personas en este hilo que han afirmado que hay algún tipo de conteo de cartas en el póquer ...? :icon_scra

Hay un conteo de cartas en el blackjack porque varios mazos de cartas se cargan en un zapato y las cartas no se barajan entre las manos desde ese punto hasta que el zapato está vacío.

No puedes contar cartas en el póquer porque solo se usa una baraja y se baraja minuciosamente entre cada mano.

No existe el conteo de cartas en el póquer.

Resolver tus salidas, etc. no es nada como contar cartas, conceptos totalmente diferentes.

Puedes contar cartas en el póquer hasta que las vacas regresen a casa, pero solo perderás tu tiempo y energía mental porque todos tus cálculos carecerán de sentido.:laugh:

Habiendo dicho eso, definitivamente veré la película a pesar del título molesto.

Saludos,

Hello Tracid greetings, thanks for your opinion about the movie and the controversy about the name "the card counter" when I say that in poker you can count cards does not mean that it is the same way that we count it when we play blackjack 21 Since both games have different dynamics and rules of course, but what I mean when it comes to counting cards in poker is calculating how many (outs) we have to win a hand or get a project completed by also discarding the cards. that our opponents may have and collecting information on the development of the hand and the cards that are on the game board,because there are players who count cards and analyze the game well according to how many (outs) can be left in a deck of 52 cards for a project to be completed and you can have a better reading about the hands that our opponents can carry out This is what I mean about card counting in poker.

Well I don't know if you remember the scene in the movie (Rounders) where mike mcdermott (Matt damon) arrives at the house of professor Abe Petrosvky (martin landau) and finds a game of poker that the professor has among his university colleagues and mike mcdermott remains as a spectator in the game and watches everyone's game, then the teacher invites him to sit at the table and mike says no because he does not play poker for now, but challenges the teacher by telling him what cards the player is holding and your opponents just by looking at them and seeing the cards on the board.

well in this part of the movie mike mcdermott simply counted the cards and analyzed the game discarding everyone's cards and he already knew how many were left in the deck and he knew who had the best chance of winning the hand. (I hope you remember or look for this scene so that you can understand me a little better what I mean)

Greetings and succeses at the tables.

Joe · Aug 10, 2021

Juan Oro said:
Hello Tracid greetings, thanks for your opinion about the movie and the controversy about the name "the card counter" when I say that in poker you can count cards does not mean that it is the same way that we count it when we play blackjack 21 Since both games have different dynamics and rules of course, but what I mean when it comes to counting cards in poker is calculating how many (outs) we have to win a hand or get a project completed by also discarding the cards. that our opponents may have and collecting information on the development of the hand and the cards that are on the game board,because there are players who count cards and analyze the game well according to how many (outs) can be left in a deck of 52 cards for a project to be completed and you can have a better reading about the hands that our opponents can carry out This is what I mean about card counting in poker.

Well I don't know if you remember the scene in the movie (Rounders) where mike mcdermott (Matt damon) arrives at the house of professor Abe Petrosvky (martin landau) and finds a game of poker that the professor has among his university colleagues and mike mcdermott remains as a spectator in the game and watches everyone's game, then the teacher invites him to sit at the table and mike says no because he does not play poker for now, but challenges the teacher by telling him what cards the player is holding and your opponents just by looking at them and seeing the cards on the board.

well in this part of the movie mike mcdermott simply counted the cards and analyzed the game discarding everyone's cards and he already knew how many were left in the deck and he knew who had the best chance of winning the hand. (I hope you remember or look for this scene so that you can understand me a little better what I mean)

Greetings and succeses at the tables.

As mentioned in the quoted post in your response, calculating your outs etc in poker is not counting cards. They are not the same.

Pure and simply, regardless of all the strategic and mental arithmetic you mention regarding poker- none of that equates to counting cards.

We should never discount folded cards, burn cards or our opponents possible cards when we’re calculating outs, we only factor our cards and the community cards, everything else remains within a random set of cards.

You cannot count cards in poker, there is only one deck and it is shuffled between each hand.

Counting cards is a specific term relating to blackjack type shoe games.

The scene you mention in Rounders, is one of the most mocked in my experience…

Counting cards is actually much simpler than poker, it’s really a very basic strategy.

Regards,

blackknives · Aug 10, 2021

thanks, definitely not enough movies on this topic, not enough good ones anyways

DS3 · Aug 10, 2021

Tracid said:
As mentioned in the quoted post in your response, calculating your outs etc in poker is not counting cards. They are not the same.

Pure and simply, regardless of all the strategic and mental arithmetic you mention regarding poker- none of that equates to counting cards.

We should never discount folded cards, burn cards or our opponents possible cards when we’re calculating outs, we only factor our cards and the community cards, everything else remains within a random set of cards.

You cannot count cards in poker, there is only one deck and it is shuffled between each hand.

Counting cards is a specific term relating to blackjack type shoe games.

The scene you mention in Rounders, is one of the most mocked in my experience…

Counting cards is actually much simpler than poker, it’s really a very basic strategy.

Regards,

Yes, that scene in Rounders is a farcical as it gets. Rounders is a very entertaining and watchable movie, but boy it has its fair share of nonsense scenes.

Molly's Game remains my favorite poker movie.

caracaski220 · Aug 10, 2021

Caracaski220

Cant wait to see it. Love poker movies. I think they have a real pro as te hnical advisor. Though card counting referes to BJ. I imagine the gambker is alsi a ooker player.

seraxel · Aug 10, 2021

Nice. This is good to know about, thank you very much for sharing!

1nsomn1a · Aug 12, 2021

thank you very much for the information, I will definitely appreciate this film.

Pokerstudy · Aug 12, 2021

The movie could be great, but I’m willing to bet any two episodes of Narcos from any season is better then this crime drama film. Even Scorsese himself said cinema is dead.

https://qz.com/878002/the-movies-are-dead-according-to-martin-scorsese-and-ridley-scott/

People need to make stories without leaning on something else to carry it, if it is a poker movie make it only about poker, don’t lean on violence and prison revenge whatever the hell other than the idea of the story. Pure laziness in storytelling IMO

There needs to be a great story about poker, not goodfellas meets poker lol

Joe · Aug 12, 2021

Pokerstudy said:
The movie could be great, but I’m willing to bet any two episodes of Narcos from any season is better then this crime drama film. Even Scorsese himself said cinema is dead.

https://qz.com/878002/the-movies-are-dead-according-to-martin-scorsese-and-ridley-scott/

People need to make stories without leaning on something else to carry it, if it is a poker movie make it only about poker, don’t lean on violence and prison revenge whatever the hell other than the idea of the story. Pure laziness in storytelling IMO

There needs to be a great story about poker, not goodfellas meets poker lol

Give me five to ten years and we'll see the best poker movie ever made... :biggrin:

It will be based on a true story! :wink:

:laugh:

vittopio · Aug 12, 2021

I don't like poker movies! Like any professional in my field, I see a huge difference between a film and the truth! And Scorsese's films are not all sympathetic!

Pokerstudy · Aug 12, 2021

Tracid said:
Give me five to ten years and we'll see the best poker movie ever made... :biggrin:

It will be based on a true story! :wink:

:laugh:

Or we could all write an entire season for Netflix and call it “The blinds” or something lol call it “Ante wins” “Ante” lol

Dramatic story of 9 poker players lives leading to the final table of a major tournament. Although 9 stories is hard to follow, it’s why they cut back/removed a real life character from the movie “fire in the sky”, too many characters and stories is too many, perhaps two characters at the end could be so well known they don’t need a back story, but you get the idea

The drama could be the sacrifices they all made to get there. And how poker is a craft with hard work and real life struggles. And how even min cashing at a final tournament changed their lives for the better.

Zero violence and compelling characters.

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