Phil Iveys Heads-Up DeathMatch

TexasPokerStar · Aug 10, 2008

Phil Ivey, by far one of the best poker players there is... a few days back... I saw him play at this table on Full Tilt... with the perfect name: Iveys Deathmatch...

in less then 2 hours... I saw one poor guy... loose more then $250,000 to Ivey... it was crazy... to watch...

if you had the money and the balls, would you go heads-up with the great Ivey?

EvertonYorkie · Aug 10, 2008

Ivey also loses a lot to other great players such as Durrrr.

I would rather play HU against him than someone like FoxwoodsFiend or Krantz, so yes I suppose I would play him.

Also as I am not a rich person the only way for me to be able to afford to play Deathmatch would be to grind through the stakes, thus giving me a skill and experience advantage, so the odds would be in my favour.

pantin007 · Aug 10, 2008

^LOL at u thinking u would have an advantage against ivey

switch0723 · Aug 10, 2008

EvertonYorkie said:
so the odds would be in my favour.

I'm more than willing to bet against

zachvac · Aug 10, 2008

Add another to the lol at thinking you have an advantage column. If I played him there, I'd have to be worth at least 100 times the amount I bring to the table, and it would be purely paying for the experience of playing, I'd have no expectations of it actually being +ev.

Dwilius · Aug 10, 2008

I'm taking all action on the Everton vs. Ivie match, even money. Post your winner here and transfer me the wager. I'll pay out within 24 hrs after it takes place.

EvertonYorkie · Aug 10, 2008

At what point did I say I have an advantage over him now?

I stated that if I grinded through the stakes using proper BRM to a point where I could play the deathmatch, I would have an advantage. Purely and simply because I would have more experience than him (his thousands of live tournaments will hardly equate to 15 levels worth of grinding, as I will have played many more hands), plus I would be more clued up on how high-stakes HU internet poker works. Agreed he would probably own my soul live at this time, as he would 99.9% of players, but I would have the advantage online just as players like Durrrr, Krantz, Whitelime, FoxwoodsFiend, Sbrugby and CTS would now.

Besides why would this be so unbelievable if i was to say this now? Just because Ivey is a extremely good LIVE player it doesn't make him the best player online. They are 2 totally different games.

This forum appears to be 2+2 for the less intellectual.

zachvac · Aug 10, 2008

lol he's one of the best poker players in the world. Grinding up the levels does not make you better than one of the best in the world. And lol at thinking live and online are completely different games but comparing 2+2 and CC. 2+2 has a lot more good high-stakes players but also infinitely more morons and jerks.

EvertonYorkie · Aug 10, 2008

zachvac said:
but also infinitely more morons and jerks.

Really? From what I've seen in this thread I am doubtful.

He is one of the best players in the world, in MTTs and in live play. Of course live and online plays different. Just because they are the same rules doesn't mean different tactics aren't used for each.

And in order for me to grind up the stakes I would have to be able to beat each level for a reasonable win-rate. I'm pretty sure the decent regs at 200/400 HUNL would be overall winners if they were rolled to play deathmatch.

jedimoose · Aug 10, 2008

Not saying at all that i would like my chances against Ivey, but of all the pros he would be one of the ones i would pick first to play online. Seems to me as of late he is almost bored of poker because it comes so easy to him. He had a poor wsop for the 2nd maybe third year in a row, and seems to me he would rather be at the golf course or doing something else that he has developed an interest in, thats not easy for him. That being said he would still probably kick my butt. Online HU matches are very tough to predict especially if its just 1 game. Seems to me you could just catch great cards and beat anyone. Now say its a best 4 of 7 that would be a different story. Always remember, you cant judge yourself or anyone else over 1 game,hand,etc. Have to judge over the long run.

Syfted · Aug 10, 2008

It would be fun to play the big dogs without overextending my roll.

But the only way that could ever happen is if I satti'd into a big MTT.

Pothole · Aug 10, 2008

D'wilius said:
I'm taking all action on the Everton vs. Ivie match, even money. Post your winner here and transfer me the wager. I'll pay out within 24 hrs after it takes place.

You could retire on the interest it would make waiting for the event to actually happen. Then you would in prolly have to tell your grandchildren to refund the bets to punters grandchildren.

Pokertron3000 · Aug 10, 2008

EvertonYorkie said:
Really? From what I've seen in this thread I am doubtful.

He is one of the best players in the world, in MTTs and in live play. Of course live and online plays different. Just because they are the same rules doesn't mean different tactics aren't used for each.

And in order for me to grind up the stakes I would have to be able to beat each level for a reasonable win-rate. I'm pretty sure the decent regs at 200/400 HUNL would be overall winners if they were rolled to play deathmatch.

Your doubtfull because people disagree with you? There a reason Ivey took that guys money and thats because hes a better poker player than most. Grind all you want and learn what you will, this guys job is to play poker, if he wasnt as good as he is he would pulling a 9-5 like nearly everyone here.

Everyones intitled to their opionion of course, so good for you, but dont think that your is the only or right one.

Gl

GrantGreen · Aug 10, 2008

Ivey is one of the few "big name" pros that the internet fiends give full props to. Parik Antonius is another. Most of the big winners online (durrrr, aba, cts etc) don't seem to think much of the guys we see on TV a lot. I've seen a vid (PokerSavvy) of Hellmuth playing $50 blind NL 6max....he was pretty bad. And of course ranted in the chat box too.

CAPT. ZIGZAG · Aug 10, 2008

Ivey donks out much.

Folks are gettin hep to his donkey bets with 62o.

The ones he beats are the ones who are afraid of him. He even says this is so. He relies on his name to bully folks around. Heard him say that too.

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Pokertron3000 · Aug 10, 2008

CAPT. ZIGZAG said:
Ivey donks out much.

Folks are gettin hep to his donkey bets with 62o.

The ones he beats are the ones who are afraid of him. He even says this is so. He relies on his name to bully folks around. Heard him say that too.

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And why not? A great poker player will use many things to win.

PlayedYou73 · Aug 10, 2008

He's a good player but he does have his tilt moments. I watched him playing omaha online at FT. He had a bad beat...and the subsequent hand he kept raising and raising and all he had was a pair of two's...in OMAHA...almost anything would beat that and it didn't look like he was chasing another hand combo. He lost 50 grand on that hand alone and went offline right after...it was pretty strange.

zachvac · Aug 10, 2008

ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best little league, high school, and college players and gets drafted first round that they are then a better hitter than say Albert Pujols. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.

Mortis · Aug 10, 2008

It depends on exactly how much money I had, and how much we were going to play with. If I had a 100 million dollars, and we played for 1 million... ya, sure, I'd play. If I had 1 million dollars, and we played for $500,000.. no way.

pimpinalovabkln · Aug 10, 2008

Poker isnt about glory or pride or whatever you guys want to play ivey for. Poker is simply to win as much money as you can so i would never play him unless i think i can win.

ugotkicked · Aug 10, 2008

TexasPokerStar said:
Phil Ivey, by far one of the best poker players there is... a few days back... I saw him play at this table on Full Tilt... with the perfect name: Iveys Deathmatch...

in less then 2 hours... I saw one poor guy... loose more then $250,000 to Ivey... it was crazy... to watch...

if you had the money and the balls, would you go heads-up with the great Ivey?

If I had $250.000 to go against Ivey. I'd have to start out playing very small like maybe play some sng's for $5 and $10..we'd do that for about year..or atleast until he figured out that he couldn't beat me.

switch0723 · Aug 10, 2008

Players such as Durr and sbrugby have argueably a small edge over ivey for 1 reason. Not because they grinded out stakes to become more experience but because they are awsome at pokahz

EvertonYorkie · Aug 11, 2008

zachvac said:
ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best little league, high school, and college players and gets drafted first round that they are then a better hitter than say Albert Pujols. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.

I'm English and don't understand. Better example?

PopeNegro · Aug 11, 2008

Even if you had an advantage over Ivey in the Deathmatch the maximum you'd make is one buyin. That's all he's willing to lose before he gets up and jets out, on the other hand if hes winning big, he'll keep playing big. Good strategy.

switch0723 · Aug 11, 2008

zachvac said:
ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best little league, high school, and college players and gets drafted first round that they are then a better hitter than say Albert Pujols. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.

EvertonYorkie said:
I'm English and don't understand. Better example?

ok the logic used is similar to someone saying that if they are one of the best school, university and local club players and get signed up by a premiership team, one of the big 4, that they are then a better player than say Christiano Ronaldo. You're saying that if someone is able to grind up and get to the level that Ivey already destroys that you'd be better than him. I disagree.

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