Poker hand etiquette in this spot?

Playing live recently and this spot came up that some disagreed with they way I played it, I have no idea about etiquette in spots like this, hence my millionth thread on it.

About midway through tourney and I was nearly chip leader when I took a huge beat against second biggest stack at my table (would've been chip leader by a mile). I still have an above average chip stack when I look down at 88 next hand in MP. Before any action starts waitress comes round taking orders so out table stops momentarily. Earlier in the night someone tilt shoved after a bad beat with KJo, UTG with 10 at table, After he had gone I said that even tilted I'd only ever shove polarised in that spot (he still had a decent amount of chips). Now I think about my options in this hand and decide I'm going to shove. When waitress leaves I start ranting and saying how unlucky I am, someone raises ahead of me and I just half heartedly look at cards and shove. raiser snap calls with AJo and I win hand.

Now the guy who stack I've crippled starts ranting at me with a few others at table agreeing and saying I was out of order pretending like I was tilted and asking what happened to only doing that polarised. I just said that I decided it would be a good spot to merge my tilting 3-bet shove range as ep raiser probably had an ace with a good kicker in his hand so would call it off with a blocker to the nut end of my polarised all in on tilt range.

If someone did this at a poker room you played at would you say that they were out of order?

Nope. I'd think they were stupid for talking about range/polarizing/merging at the table but I wouldn't think anything wrong with doing it.

Well I am stupid in that sense. I constantly explain why the play I made was correct and my reasoning. Someone asked me why I didn't call from the sb with 6 already in pot and getting a cheap call. After the hand I explained reverse implied odds and why playing Q4o was bad as well as being OOP and squeezing being bad because it gave the UTG raiser chance to 4-bet as well as hardly anyone folding if I raised anyway. I have real trouble with staying quiet and resisting the temptation to justify my play so I don't get random fishes thinking they are better than me. I know it's counter productiveand I want them to tihnk like that yet I do it anyway. I tihnk it's the boredom from not playing many hands live that I can't keep quiet for that long.

DAMN GOOD JOB.

Makes me proud to know you.


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You must resist!

I think that's totally fine. Feigning weakness or indecision is totally legit and obviously within the boundaries of good etiquette, what you did is essentially no different than Hollywooding.

Also, it's not like the guy had no equity in the pot.

OK cheers, I know I've been wrong about etiquette in some spots before (seeing mucked cards) so I was checking that this spot was fine. I thought it was fine obviously but wasn't sure if other people though same.

WVHillbilly said:

Nope. I'd think they were stupid for talking about range/polarizing/merging at the table but I wouldn't think anything wrong with doing it.

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This. I talk about strat at the table exactly 0% of the time.

I wish I had the restraint of you guys. The second someone questions one of my decisions I feel compelled to explain how brilliant it was and how excellent a player I am. My ego can't stand anyone thinking I'm a bad palyer.

If they're questioning your actions they're probably idiots anyway (regardless of how good/bad those actions are).

Yes they are idiots, which makes me even more inclined to explain why my move was best because I don't want them to think they are better players than me, I think I'm best to jsut play online tbh lol.

Well playing with idiots can be highly profitable. Do you have these same impulses online?

Absolutely nothing wrong with what u did...Bloody good strategy in my opinion..The people who moaned at u are idiots.

BlueNowhere said:

Yes they are idiots, which means I should never ever explain why my move was best because I want them to think they are better players than me, then profit from their mistakes.

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FYP.

WVHillbilly said:

Well playing with idiots can be highly profitable. Do you have these same impulses online?

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No because I multitable HU hypers and just tell people to rematch if they think I'm a fish as well as playing hundreds of hands an hour. Live I get bored and can't help but mention it.

Abit off topic but one thing I've noticed live is that on breaks the talk is almost exclusively about bad beats. I think I've only ever seen one player who talked strat and that was too me. He was a fairly decent palyer and said he was glad I didn't have position on him. We exchanged a few views on various hands and views on players at table and how to exploit them, actually gave me brilliant advice on one hand I misplayed but got away with. Bit of a tangent but yea, live players are ridic results orientated.

Yeah listening is great. It's the talking you should be trying to minimize. I mean you can talk to be cordial and get them going but when it comes to talking about how you actually play hands a certain way just remember less is more.

Yea I definitely need to cut down strat talking at the table, although I highly doubt they understand what I'm on about they'll know I'm not just a random fish playing poker for first time.

I also need to stop showing bluffs. If I bluff I show just because in true fish fashion I love to watch their reaction when they know they folded the winning hand and the novelty of seeing their reaction hasn't worn off yet.

So much information being given and you're right the fish don't know enough to do anything with it but you can bet there are people there that will. It's probably those guys you never notice just sitting there quietly.

I see no prob with that,,,, but some people just can't stand to be out "Foxed".

Yeah i hate people questioning me... i get all Phil helmuth on them and thats when chairs start leaving the table LOL... Serious, a few card rooms Ive played at uncluding an underground game got poretty messy zin its days... LOL Crazy late night gamebling... hahaha! nice Job

Basically, I just either say nothing or say nice hand. You would be amazed how much people will tell you. This is even more true if they think (usually wrongly) they are better than you, since they have the same reaction that you have.

Nice move, everyone trys to "hollywood" in their own way.

Tell them you don't care and to bust you if they feel some type of way about it, maybe they'll try to get you when you have the nuts

Lol seriously though they didn't understand what you were talking about anyway, regardless it's not like you slow rolled them or something.

-Phil Ivey27 said:

Nice move, everyone trys to "hollywood" in their own way.

Tell them you don't care and to bust you if they feel some type of way about it, maybe they'll try to get you when you have the nuts

Lol seriously though they didn't understand what you were talking about anyway, regardless it's not like you slow rolled them or something.

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I did offer to sit him downstairs and play HU at whatever limits he felt like if he wanted to settle things, unfortunately didn't take me up on the offer, he stopped going on though so it was enough for me lol.

Lol honestly that's how you really get them..

They don't accept then you practically b**ch them out.