My Revised Philosophy on Poker

MattRyder · Sep 15, 2018

Luck is a BIG part of poker.

Skill is all about managing luck.

In the short term luck triumphs.

In the long term, and with a large bankroll and strong bankroll management, skill MAY triumph over luck.

Vodnik2017 · Sep 16, 2018

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But the casino or poker room will still be the winner

BilNicholson · Sep 16, 2018

Yes, this is true.

MrGoodFlop · Sep 17, 2018

If you are playing an MTT for instance, you cannot make final table or much less win the game unless you win some big pots. Good skills will allow you to survive while waiting for the big hands, but alone will not allow you to win the game. So imo, luck is an essential part of a winning play.

AKbadboyAK · Sep 17, 2018

You have every reason I think so too fine.

terryk · Sep 17, 2018

Soooooo,,,yest,you got lucky?

Congrats anyway,,, :lollypop:

xbronk · Sep 17, 2018

I agree with you luck is the great favorite in poker habiality is not in the background if it goes hand in hand with luck you can become a good player but I differ in that of banking because it practically sounds like playing wallet ( wallet is to play whoever has the most money wins) allo better misunderstand:tomato::tomato:

dbchristy · Sep 17, 2018

MattRyder said:
Luck is a BIG part of poker.

Skill is all about managing luck.

In the short term luck triumphs.

In the long term, and with a large bankroll and strong bankroll management, skill MAY triumph over luck.

Love this..Brunson and others made it work

NWPatriot · Sep 17, 2018

75% luck, 25% skill

nitulbhatia · Sep 17, 2018

I agree with op.

mariuspoker1 · Sep 17, 2018

MattRyder said:
Luck is a BIG part of poker.

Skill is all about managing luck.

In the short term luck triumphs.

In the long term, and with a large bankroll and strong bankroll management, skill MAY triumph over luck.

I agree with you only partially; i say partially because I'm not too convince about the luck part; seems to me more and more lately that the online poker is rigged so i doubt that we can speak about luck because luck exist only if cards comes 100% random so.....

swannymojo · Sep 17, 2018

I can see how it would be easy to beleive that when it comes to low buy-in tourneys where everyone is shoving left and right and you need to make a thin call or risk your stack in a tough spot.

But when we look at what all the best players say about luck in poker...they all agree there's an element of luck involved in poker but it remains that the skilled players are the ones who win.

When i play live and i hear people talk about how poker is just a game of luck...those players are the ones who give their money away. Poker is certainly a game that involves luck but its a game where skill pays better than luck does over the long haul. Luck leaves you. Skill, you take with you.

Serjo600 · Sep 17, 2018

Luck only:bandit::bandit::bandit:

MattRyder · Sep 17, 2018

swannymojo said:
I can see how it would be easy to beleive that when it comes to low buy-in tourneys where everyone is shoving left and right and you need to make a thin call or risk your stack in a tough spot.

But when we look at what all the best players say about luck in poker...they all agree there's an element of luck involved in poker but it remains that the skilled players are the ones who win.

When i play live and i hear people talk about how poker is just a game of luck...those players are the ones who give their money away. Poker is certainly a game that involves luck but its a game where skill pays better than luck does over the long haul. Luck leaves you. Skill, you take with you.

So true, but when you have equally skilled players at the same table the lucky one will always come out the winner. I finished HU in a tourney yesterday. We went back and forth for a long time, but in the end he was hitting some flops and I wasn't hitting any. He won. While we may have both had a skill edge on some of the other players at the table, the one winner was the lucky one.

In fact in most cases if two players last the hours that it takes to get to HU, odds are pretty likely that they're pretty evenly matched

Ask any pro why he lost this tournament or that tournament. My guess is 9 times out of 10 he's not going to tell you that he was outplayed.

NoPlace4U · Sep 17, 2018

Long term i would say is 60% Skill 40% Luck, the short term is is problem.

Kiritoe · Sep 18, 2018

Poker is just math. If you understand probabilities, you will always always win in the long run if you continue to play well and have proper bankroll management to survive negative EV

terryk · Sep 18, 2018

swannymojo said:
I can see how it would be easy to beleive that when it comes to low buy-in tourneys where everyone is shoving left and right and you need to make a thin call or risk your stack in a tough spot.

But when we look at what all the best players say about luck in poker...they all agree there's an element of luck involved in poker but it remains that the skilled players are the ones who win.

When i play live and i hear people talk about how poker is just a game of luck...those players are the ones who give their money away. Poker is certainly a game that involves luck but its a game where skill pays better than luck does over the long haul. Luck leaves you. Skill, you take with you.

Well said.

grilldoggy · Sep 18, 2018

luck, skill, philosophy

Can't disagree with that. I'd say your philosophy in the long term should remain the same, but situational philosophy based on your opponents tells has to change. Combination of what you're trying to accomplish short term, for the long term gain.

TulasMoreno · Sep 18, 2018

Agree, i think skills beat luck in poker.

RedGnom · Oct 3, 2018

MattRyder said:
Luck is a BIG part of poker.

Skill is all about managing luck.

In the short term luck triumphs.

In the long term, and with a large bankroll and strong bankroll management, skill MAY triumph over luck.

I can definitely say that believe in poker math, its dispersion, expectancy etc. And it seems to me that the luck is reflection of your level of poker math knowledge. Wouldn't you think?

NWPatriot · Oct 3, 2018

MattRyder said:
So true, but when you have equally skilled players at the same table the lucky one will always come out the winner.

You provided a perfect example of the role luck plays in poker. If a poker simulator were to run out a full table simulating identically talented "players", there would ALWAYS be a winner, because there MUST be ONE. Except for minor variations in the simulation, luck and timing will always determine the winner, because no player has any technical advantage.

Our goal is to find the edge needed to minimize our bad luck and maximize our good luck, but we are really only trying to manipulate the affects of luck, not manipulating luck itself.

RedGnom · Oct 4, 2018

NWPatriot said:
You provided a perfect example of the role luck plays in poker. If a poker simulator were to run out a full table simulating identically talented "players", there would ALWAYS be a winner, because there MUST be ONE. Except for minor variations in the simulation, luck and timing will always determine the winner, because no player has any technical advantage.

Our goal is to find the edge needed to minimize our bad luck and maximize our good luck, but we are really only trying to manipulate the affects of luck, not manipulating luck itself.

Smartly said!
+1!

Andrei Korolev · Oct 4, 2018

I completely agree with you...

MrPokerVerse · Oct 5, 2018

MattRyder said:
Luck is a BIG part of poker.

Skill is all about managing luck.

In the short term luck triumphs.

In the long term, and with a large bankroll and strong bankroll management, skill MAY triumph over luck.

Normally see the same names in the freerolls in the money. Are they lucky and rest are just unlucky? Can you share you're original philosophy or the unrevised version? Nice to the metamorphosis of this concept.

infonazar · Oct 5, 2018

I always try to avoid mistakes and improve my game.
I think, patience and discipline are two skills you must master to succeed at poker long term. It is important to play every day because poker requires practice.

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