Rigged: The AA test

bump diddy, keep it up guys

Poker is only rigged when I lose.
When I win, it's because of great play.

MR X said:

Poker is only rigged when I lose.
When I win, it's because of great play.

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It must be rigged tonight because I am getting my arse whooped!

I don't mind a little fun banter in threads (lord knows I contribute my share), but please, let's keep this thread on the topic at hand. FD needs some more data. Let's not turn this into a bad beat thread.

juiceeQ said:

I don't mind a little fun banter in threads (lord knows I contribute my share), but please, let's keep this thread on the topic at hand. FD needs some more data. Let's not turn this into a bad beat thread.

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You're right I have posted enough in here the least I could do is contribute something.

Pokerstars sent me these stats.

14,321 hands
53 Pocket A's
46 Wins with the Pocket A's

juiceeQ said:

I don't mind a little fun banter in threads (lord knows I contribute my share), but please, let's keep this thread on the topic at hand. FD needs some more data. Let's not turn this into a bad beat thread.

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Thank you JQ. I was just about to ask you to unsticky this.

jstnorv07 said:

You're right I have posted enough in here the least I could do is contribute something.

Pokerstars sent me these stats.

14,321 Hands
53 Pocket A's
46 Wins with the Pocket A's

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And look, justnorv!
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!
Welcome to the club.

Bias...

Pocket AA analysis has gone down to a bias...oh well...good luck! Cheers.

Nice work thanks alot..

so im a big nobody...and i dont know anything as indepth as yall are talking about....

so on that note...i have a question ...

dont major pokersites have more to lose by allowing/participating in cheating/rigging....

i mean im a true fish...i deposit money in poker sites quite often... ps mostly...

but if i knew for a FACT that they were cheating/rigging i wouldnt...and im sure theres a few others that would be with me on that....

i would just play as many live games as possible where i know for a FACT that theres no cheating/rigging going on

.... where as now i can sit around in my boxers and play poker when ever...i would be bummed but hey its one thing for me to lose my money but its another for some site to TAKE it from me....

am i crazy here...or what...

perhaps i should just shut up.....

who knows...

AA

My problem with AA isn't how often I am dealt AA-it is how often it wins versus other random hands. It often feels to me that AA is ab out a coin toss with any other hand-anyone else feel the same?

rigged online

ever since i found out about the potripper guy on absolute i just got furiuos, all that money he won by seeing everyones hands. i still have a little faith on bodog, and ultimate bet, but the beats i lose to piss me off.

rigged??

Imo, it seems that it is rigged and sometimes favors the higher chip holder sometimes.

Phynatik0ne said:

Imo, it seems that it is rigged and sometimes favors the higher chip holder sometimes.

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LMFAO..ive actully thought that a lot before... its like the survivall of the fittest.... the little stack must go....

it seems like ive seen it to many times for it to be just an "oops"


too funny...

pokers.:18524 hands
AA ; 81
1/228 (i win 67 hands )

fulltilt; 3455 hands
AA; 17
1/203(lol lol lol)(i win 15 hands )
fulltilt so good for me!

ambripiotta said:

pokers.:18524 hands
AA ; 81
1/228 (i win 67 hands )

fulltilt; 3455 hands
AA; 17
1/203(lol lol lol)(i win 15 hands )
fulltilt so good for me!

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Well paint me green and call me Gumby. Finally someone who remebers what this thread is all about. Thank you ambriopiotta for your donation and for getting us back on track. The Full Tilt numbers are especially appreciated as our sample size, even at 100,000 hands is still too small. Both your Stars numbers and your Tilt numbers had a correcting effect on the overall numbers. BTW, you were shorted 3 at PS, but your up one at FTP. Oh, and welcome to Cardschat. I hope you stick around.

Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

charts on your thread

thanks for putting those charts up, that's really helpful info. makes you think about the AA's too. I don't have the data 'cuz i haven't been tracking my play, guess i should start.

Four Dogs said:

Well paint me green and call me Gumby. Finally someone who remebers what this thread is all about. Thank you ambriopiotta for your donation and for getting us back on track. The Full Tilt numbers are especially appreciated as our sample size, even at 100,000 hands is still too small. Both your Stars numbers and your Tilt numbers had a correcting effect on the overall numbers. BTW, you were shorted 3 at PS, but your up one at FTP. Oh, and welcome to Cardschat. I hope you stick around.

Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

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And with all that I forgot to post the updated chart. Sorry.

everyone just complains too much

I have been playing online poker for a while and i think i am pretty unlucky. yet i don't ever say the site is rigged or anything like that. Pretty soon people will be saying that casinos are hiring mechanics in brick and mortar to make more money. Those sites make more money in one day than any of these noobs that complain will see in a whole lifetime. Why would they need to rig it for big hands when people like the complainers play. because obviously they have gotten in too many hands if they can't sustain a bad beat every now and then. luck may always change but the statistics never change and idiots complaining about there bankroll being devestated cuz the site is "rigged" is really ignorant and getting on my nerves cuz if any player plays proper bankroll management and good poker they will never have any problems. any pro will agree with me there. well next week we will see the next post of ignorance with a guy claiming FTP or PS is out to get him. gl to everyone and hope to see you on the felt.

i havnt got stat but ive lost with aces lots the only reason is the amount of hand played online vs live games is far more plus if it was rigged they must be sittin there going oh we like tha user name hes a winner oh thatone suck we will doom that user my freind wins lots and i lose lots and i even play like him ive watched and tried to take lessons of him but nah i still lose

Rigging

Basically my view on this so called rigging is, that if your gonna play learn to expect a loss. Getting all your money in on the best hand is all you can do, and as expected, hoping to win. When you are in or watching a high stakes game and (I do this at home on my comp) is stand up. Standing up is usually a sign of nervousness. Down right terror to be more frank. They do this because as seasoned pros they know they are ahead but anything can happen, hence the name of the beast , gambling! They know while A-A, A-K, A-Q, are the typically best starting hands I cannot stress how many times I have gotten totally burned on these hands. The WPT on the travel channel has taught us that these hands are truely worth putting your money in on. I beg to differ. I do it even though I know the risks, but now I just like to pick people apart rather than risk my whole stack anymore, I may not win as many but I usually place and thats all I care about.

WIZZO
MAY THE FLOP BE WITH YOU :deal:

aa win 80%????

u guys must be lucky as hell for your rockets to win 80% of the time.
aa only holds for me 22% of the time against any 2 cards.
be it weaker ace or underpair.

aa sucks

why soes everyone in here get so excited about rockets???

i always know when its time for BODOG to screw me on the bubble cause thats when i get the dreaded AA.

my wife tells me to fold that trash and shes right because any 2 cards that call me always stomps it.
last time was called by ace 3 offsuit and flop was 336.



fold that trash!!!

If anyone read completely through this thread..I think mendo is the most composed poster here. Argues some points validly and doesn't bring out emotion to it..more of a brainstorm ? to ponder. As for me...yep...I'm a crappy player..I've been put down more ways than can be imagined. When I get drawn out..I was the idiot for pushing. When I get beaten..I was the moron etc. I think the aim of poker..is to get your money in..when you have the best of it....and its up to the poker gods...RNG, the site..etc to make you a winner. I do believe AA, KK, QQ come out statistically sound. What I think may be happening on sites to be " rigged" is that the software auto adjusts to certain play. Case and point...I flopped a set of Queens a couple nights ago...against a single player in the small blind. He bets out...I min raise...he calls. Turn...would put someone with an A into a gutshot situation...He bets out...I go all in...he calls for 3/4 stack. River is the T..giving him the straight...yes I know...a whining post....but I'm not really whining...this is where I believe the corruption..rigging...etc is happening. It was a $20 buy in and deep...within 50 people to the $$. These are the posts I'd like to see..not because I'm into "conspiracy theory" not because I want a bunch of whining posts...but would really like to see what is happening to everyone.
Last year I won a WPT seat by multi freerolling. I also made close to 24k from an initial investment of $300. Since the Banning of Online poker in the US, I can't win for the life of me. I even flopped a nut flush in Head to head play...and lost $400 in that hand when runner runner gs straight flush hit. Its been that kind of year.
Enough of my whining though...that's not what my post is about. I want to thank you guys for looking at things from a statistical standpoint...trying to dispell myths. I also would like to thank most of the posters on this thread. Response that are w/o lots of emotion and breaking down the posters are much easier to read...and makes it worthwhile for us all. Thank you!

dontquit said:

Enough of my whining though...that's not what my post is about. I want to thank you guys for looking at things from a statistical standpoint...trying to dispell myths. I also would like to thank most of the posters on this thread. Response that are w/o lots of emotion and breaking down the posters are much easier to read...and makes it worthwhile for us all. Thank you!

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Thanks for the interest dontquit. GL and keep posting.

zug said:

u guys must be lucky as hell for your rockets to win 80% of the time.
aa only holds for me 22% of the time against any 2 cards.
be it weaker ace or underpair.

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Only 22% of the time? That seems impossible. Over how many hands? How do you play them? Not that that really matters, I can't think of anything you could possibly do to to get that bad a winrate.

This is really interesting though, but unfortunately a bit off topic. I'd like to see a new thread on this.

poker site: FullTilt
Times dealt AA: 11
Total Hands: 3,331
Percentage: 0.33% LOW
Expected: 0.45%

And an interesting note... ive won with AA 81.82%

Interesting thing is KK
Times dealt: 26
Percentage: 0.78% HIGH!!!!!

Very confusing....