Rigged: The AA test

iluvdahate · Jul 20, 2008

u know i thought that way when i first started playing poker. but after about 3 years of constant play almost everyday i have to say that it is the younger players who believe that it is rigged. mostly it is just bad play on their parts and after some time they will realize that there is no sure thing in poker and that luck will play a factor. but if you can consistently make the right decisions luck will only play a small role in their game. online poker is not rigged...the companies make too much money to risk getting caught cheating their customers. just to dumb to even do. gl and play on all.

mrtrc266 · Jul 22, 2008

Rigged?

LOL, lots of ppl think it's rigged but continue to dump money???

jgmotorfan · Jul 22, 2008

excuse me for saying so but its all mute point.
for one reason,
the rigging begins before you sit down.
most sites programs run off their deposit program.
yes sorry to tell ya!
if you get in a 1.20 45 mna sit n go and you have deposited the most that month you are placed in the programs winning seat
regardless of the cards you get you will win that is why you see alot of big stacks call down a-k wit 2-5 and hit a 2 ior something stupid like the river straight. sry to burst your investigation bubble

jgmotorfan · Jul 22, 2008

i know its rigged and don't dump money.
the reason i play though is to try to beat the program by dominating the hands im in and leaving a lasting impression when i do play.
trying to out wit a computer program and trying to staydominately aggressive over the other players at the table is fun
like living on a razors edge of sorts

Makwa · Jul 23, 2008

jgmotorfan said:
excuse me for saying so but its all mute point.
for one reason,
the rigging begins before you sit down.
most sites programs run off their deposit program.
yes sorry to tell ya!
if you get in a 1.20 45 mna sit n go and you have deposited the most that month you are placed in the programs winning seat
regardless of the cards you get you will win that is why you see alot of big stacks call down a-k wit 2-5 and hit a 2 ior something stupid like the river straight. sry to burst your investigation bubble

Scuse me, that's 'moot,' not 'mute.'
The rest of your post is the most ridiculous doggerel I have ever had the misfortune to read in this or any other forum.

Makwa · Jul 23, 2008

jgmotorfan said:
i know its rigged and don't dump money.
the reason i play though is to try to beat the program by dominating the hands im in and leaving a lasting impression when i do play.
trying to out wit a computer program and trying to staydominately aggressive over the other players at the table is fun
like living on a razors edge of sorts

Doh!
Beat what program where?
U r seriously paranoid dude.
BTW according to your earlier assertion, you can buy a winning seat by depositing, so why not do that?

KerouacsDog · Jul 24, 2008

can someone lend me a million bucks? I wanna deposit it all and get the winning hot seat in every mtt I play in, and win each one..............I'll pay the money back to you at the end of the month!

Bigsmak · Jul 24, 2008

jgmotorfan said:
excuse me for saying so but its all mute point.
for one reason,
the rigging begins before you sit down.
most sites programs run off their deposit program.
yes sorry to tell ya!
if you get in a 1.20 45 mna sit n go and you have deposited the most that month you are placed in the programs winning seat
regardless of the cards you get you will win that is why you see alot of big stacks call down a-k wit 2-5 and hit a 2 ior something stupid like the river straight. sry to burst your investigation bubble

where is your proof?

GoBilliards · Jul 24, 2008

Its interesting how the guys with + ROIs never think online poker is rigged. Its only the people who are net losers that make this claim. Im tired of the whole argument. Best way to sum it up is this. If you think its rigged dont play. Simple as that. What does it say about a person who thinks its rigged against him yet he makes deposits every week????????

KerouacsDog · Jul 27, 2008

^^^^Im sorry, wtf has this got to do with rigged? sites, bud?

teksmith · Jul 27, 2008

I can't see the sites trying to rig games. If they did some disgruntled employee would out them. And they make plenty of money with the rake as it is. And at FullTilt the max rake per hand is $3 which is reached at $60 in the pot so I don't see any benefit to the house in promoting bigger pots.

BrentD22 · Jul 27, 2008

GoBilliards said:
Its interesting how the guys with + ROIs never think online poker is rigged. Its only the people who are net losers that make this claim. Im tired of the whole argument. Best way to sum it up is this. If you think its rigged dont play. Simple as that. What does it say about a person who thinks its rigged against him yet he makes deposits every week????????

There is more to it than this. I believe that the US government needs to regulate and audit them. Have independent audit of finance and how the random card gen works. If people feel hurt by the bad beats and then feel that the sites might be rigged than maybe they'll stop playing. Less players = worse poker eco. I wonder how many players stopped depositing after AP & UB?

Richard7787 · Jul 28, 2008

Four Dogs said:
Richard, is that 21229 new hands, or a running total?

Sorry FD thats a running total. Moved my BR to stars (FT Rake way too high at 10NL) So heres my Stars stats so far.

Played 6596
AA dealt: 29
Win rate 96.55%
% Dealt: 0.440

KK dealt: 34
Win rate: 82.35%
% Dealt: 0.515

Four Dogs · Jul 28, 2008

Richard7787 said:
Sorry FD thats a running total. Moved my BR to stars (FT Rake way too high at 10NL) So heres my Stars stats so far.

Played 6596
AA dealt: 29
Win rate 96.55%
% Dealt: 0.440

KK dealt: 34
Win rate: 82.35%
% Dealt: 0.515

Thanks Richard. I'll try to update this tonight.

I have a request from all the Regs. Please ignore all the RIGGED noise. There's nothing there that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum. Unless someone has something intelligent to add, replying to moonbats just serves to pollute the spirit of the thread.

ncmtngirl79 · Jul 29, 2008

I do not think that poker sites are rigged at all. People think that because their aa gets busted or they do not get it that the site is rigged. The purpose of a raise is to get your hand hopefully in a two hand situation, however people tend to play differently and call big raises more when they have no one looking at them acrossa table. They are in the privacy of their homes, the only person that hold them responsible is themselves. ( Who cares what a player cals you at the table that you will probably never see again.) So when you have your normal three to four callers, sometimes more, the likliehood of our monster hands getting beat increases. In the end these monster hands are just a pair, the second lowest hand you can have. Can you really blame the guy on the button calling when three people have already called the raise, even with seemingly nothing? Four card flushes, runner runner straights, two pairs coming up to beat your one is just as much part of a live game as it is an internet game..it's cool that you took time to track this though! Anyways, that is my opinion... I am a free roll pro! Take this advice to heart...

!

KerouacsDog · Jul 29, 2008

nice post, NCgirl, good advice there about AA only being a pair.

Four Dogs · Jul 29, 2008

“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.”

-Elbert Hubbard

Thank you Richard for this

Richard7787 said:
Update for you:

Full Tilt:

21229
Aces: 96
% Dealt: 0.452
Win rate: 94.79% (not needed but looks good to me)

Kings: 98
% Dealt: 0.452
Win Rate: 92.86%

Yes I know, a running total.

and this

Richard7787 said:
Sorry FD thats a running total. Moved my BR to stars (FT Rake way too high at 10NL) So heres my Stars stats so far.

Played 6596
AA dealt: 29
Win rate 96.55%
% Dealt: 0.440

KK dealt: 34
Win rate: 82.35%
% Dealt: 0.515

Which gives us this

babyreid · Jul 31, 2008

where do you get this kind of information??? is there a site, i see poker tracker in this thread, is that like shark scope? can i see on there these kind of stats?
i dont think its rigged, if you use large, trustworthy sites it shouldnt be a problem. i watch professional poker alot and there are many times where big hands are against each other, its poker. i think there are many things to question if you are going to but the AA-KK just stands out because people get mad

bronx3 · Aug 1, 2008

good data. I think tracking percentage of flushes hit would be better. Like how many times you have suited cards vs. how many times you hit the flush.

lizasback · Aug 2, 2008

i think that if anyone that plays poker think it's rigged, they need to stop playing, i've been playing for a short period online & think it's amazing how many players i see saying it's rigged, do they not realize that poker as well as many card games is not masterable, & if online & in casinos & any other gambling settings they favor the house

sneaky21 · Aug 2, 2008

only part that i feel is rigged , is that when you sit at a table and all of a sudden 3 people come to your table and play a few hands and the same 3 leave all at once without saying a word.

lizasback · Aug 3, 2008

that's not rigged that just collusion

overtop69 · Aug 3, 2008

It's great that people would like to keep stats....but without knowing all the hands dealt all the time you won't get an accurate picture of how many times the hands ARE dealt. 1 person or a few people is NOT accurate....although it is a good idea.

MrSwissCheese · Aug 4, 2008

lizasback said:
i think that if anyone that plays poker think it's rigged, they need to stop playing, i've been playing for a short period online & think it's amazing how many players i see saying it's rigged, do they not realize that poker as well as many card games is not masterable, & if online & in casinos & any other gambling settings they favor the house

I agree - if you're convinced these games are rigged - meaning that the winner is predetermined - you need to stop playing. If you're in on the rigging, then by all means, you wouldn't be complaining about it - you'd be the one pulling your fourth deuce on the river against Aces full of Kings. The fact is sh*t happens, bad beats happen, and suckouts happen, and there's nothing that can be done about it.

Personally speaking, if *I* believed the games were rigged, I would never play - in a rigged situation, you can only expect to lose long term.

CorporalJoker · Aug 4, 2008

Where do you go to see number of hands dealt vs. number of times dealt Aces? Or do you just keep a running total

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