Rigged: The AA test

Four Dogs · Sep 23, 2008

cynappa said:
Site: Pokerstars
Number of hands: 21,568
Dealt AA: 104
Expected: 124
I am dealt AA: 1/212.56 hands

97 actually, but your contribution is appreciated.

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luckydog_reno · Sep 23, 2008

I have worked in brick and mortor casino's for twenty years, and I feal that online sites, just like "real casinos", are concered about thier image as much as anything. They have nothing to gain and everything to loose by ignoreing the wild accusations. Like has been pointed out so many times before, thier profit comes from the rake. If people dont trust thier sites, be it security flaws or ignoreing cheaters, they go belly up.

Just a observation from a person who has worked his entire adult life in gameing

hewhoholdsaces · Sep 24, 2008

I was in a tournament the other day and got AA 6 times, only lost with it once, the hand that broke me!lol

Joedubb714 · Sep 24, 2008

Rigged websites, Non-sense

I am over all the rigged non-sense as well. We have seen the beats at every live table as well. I have seen way worse beats at my weekly poker tournament down the street then I have seen on all the sites I have played on, Full tilt, Bodog and Pokerstars. Sure I have my dislikes between those three but most of the time it is all the same.....you get good cards and the good cards lose. Plain and simple....get over the rigged crap, it just happens.

Joedubb714

lucky10477 · Sep 24, 2008

And something else we may never know because it will never be admitted. So unless everyone helps FOUR DOGS with his stats we will never know.

megadeth123 · Sep 25, 2008

have you calculated how many times there was AA vs KK vs QQ vs TT etc on the same hand

personnaly, ive seen AA KK QQ on the same one.. on stars !

sleepy11 · Sep 25, 2008

I do agree with Chesterflick on one thing, there are some people on here that no matter what you ask a question about they answer you with a nasty superior additude. There are a couple of people I can think of that have never answered me any other way. It's not just me , I 've notice they answer most people that way except for Nick,Dakota, and a few others. So i guess they know how to be nice but, they just save it for certain people. There is a name for that, but I think most of you know what it is. Don't get me wrong most people on here are very nice it's those few who make it unpleasant for me.

jcup235 · Sep 25, 2008

AA is evil

So I was just busted out of a tourney (with AA). I had just gone on a huge tear winning 8 pots in a row. Then UTG I pick up 2 black aces. I open with a raise of 4X the BB. I get 1 caller(on the button) flop comes 9, J, 7, all clubs. Oh and the caller is also the only player on the table that has enough chips to bust me by the way. I lead out with a pot sized bet, he calls. The turn is a red 10. I bet the pot, he comes over the top all-in. About a third of my stack is already in the pot, I have the Aces and the nut flush draw so I call. This donk has A8 off suit hitting the gut shot on the turn. River is a blank. When people try so hard to give you their chips, why can't these sites just allow them to do it?

dkee18 · Sep 26, 2008

Very interesting information. Next time my AA gets busted on the very first hand (as has happened in the past), I won't feel as bad. By the way, I would never dream of it, but how in the world do you cheat in an online game, or am I just being naive?

dewolfe9 · Sep 26, 2008

Getting Aces is completly random, I got 3 in 5 hands once and then again not in a single day of like 3 hours gaming. It depends, yet again the luck factor plays its role

qwerrk · Sep 26, 2008

megadeth123 said:
seen AA KK QQ on the same one.. on stars !

seen it at FR, too, and the queens were mine -- tripped on the river for the win...it's poker.

FourDogs, know I'm late to the game and this thread has been running for months but shouldn't it be:

Dev = DEALT/ExpDEALT ?

If you get more than expected, that is a positive, but you cipher it as a negative....pretty minor point but negatives for getting extra seems backwards somehow.

megadeth123 · Sep 27, 2008

here's an example of a situation where you dont want to have aces and where it could be not rigged but lets say ''shuffled''

4-people poker game 25$ each + possible rebuys, the very, very first hand, im on the button, so i shuffle the cards, and i get Ad4d, sb has AA

flop is QJK all diamonds, i check, sb checks, turn is 10 of clubs, i check sb checks, river is 2 of spades...

i manage to get sb all-in.. he was thinking afterwards that i did some tricks with the cards

morale : shit happens live and online

AKKiller14 · Sep 28, 2008

Hello
My question
What will you do if you know the action your in is rigged?
Will you stop playin at the moment or will you stop playin on this
pokerroom your in? What is to do? Or is it all happen like this is live...
Cu

LoopyGirdleSniffer · Sep 28, 2008

Okay I've just wasted the last however many minutes of my life reading this. What did I get out of this thread? = Complete bafflement of how much so many of you play. 21000+ hands posted from some of you. How long does that take to play 21k hands? Are you people actually turning a profit from On-line poker?

I apologize for this being so off topic, but DAMM people. Do you ever actually get away from your computers?

MistahSaechao · Sep 28, 2008

well its obvious when someone loses with AA they are going to think someone is cheating or the game is " rigged. " a lot of anger comes with losing pocket Aces and why not, after all its the best hand preflop. however, i dont think fulltilt has rigged anything... just my thoughts on this...

odinscott · Oct 1, 2008

uradonk406 said:
rigged is right we all know how bad they steal from us we just havent found a way to prove it for sure...cant tell you how many times iv had a strong hand and got smoked by the one outer and see a huge pot go away... i say just keep pushin and prayin cuz thats all net poker is a lotto but we all love it right??

Random Number generators are an algorythym a amth problem and last i checked they tend to be repetitive in nature ...contain some type of pattern...or both so random i think not but keep believing it is .. that is why i only play freerolls on the net...you dont feed these shady bast......but i do wish you all well... and good luck at the felts

They steal from you? Who? Do you play against the poker site? How the hell are they stealing from you, if you are playing against other people? If it was rigged, you are still losing to another player, not the site itself.

megadeth123 said:
here's an example of a situation where you dont want to have aces and where it could be not rigged but lets say ''shuffled''

4-people poker game 25$ each + possible rebuys, the very, very first hand, im on the button, so i shuffle the cards, and i get Ad4d, sb has AA

flop is QJK all diamonds, i check, sb checks, turn is 10 of clubs, i check sb checks, river is 2 of spades...

i manage to get sb all-in.. he was thinking afterwards that i did some tricks with the cards

morale : shit happens live and online

If he checked the flop and turn with AA, then he deserves to lose. It is examples like this one that show us why not to slow play...

MistahSaechao said:
well its obvious when someone loses with AA they are going to think someone is cheating or the game is " rigged. " a lot of anger comes with losing pocket Aces and why not, after all its the best hand preflop. however, i dont think fulltilt has rigged anything... just my thoughts on this...

Well it loses one out of five times. It wouldnt seem to me that the site was rigged just because I lost with the best starting hand in poker. People dont seem to realise that even the best starting hand in poker is still only an 80% favorite. It isnt a 99% favorite.

mdafka · Oct 4, 2008

Question

The only HH I have is the ones provided by the pokersite...one saves it to a file on my comp(fulltilt) and the other they email it to me(pokerstars)
How do I derive theses stats from those HH's?
Tx

deadhxc · Oct 4, 2008

adding my hands here

tourny = 42 AA out of 8314 hands
cash = 16 AA out of 3857 hands

Chicagopro · Oct 7, 2008

Rigged

I dont know about it being rigged but in my play I have lost with AA about 60% oh the time I prefer to have AK suited.

mdafka · Oct 7, 2008

I asked earlier on, but recieved no reply.
can anyone tell me how to derive theses stats from FTP and/or Pokerstars hand histories?
Tx

reb0202 · Oct 9, 2008

MMMM!!!!

i will have to start watching that. And how many times do those lovely aces or kings get busted with some crazy stuff like 2 pair 2's and 3's lol. I got a guy today trying to slow play pocket aces and I had a K,10 suited I got my 10 and my king took him out and he was so upset like I stole from him . oh well I do believe the whole on line poker thing is rigged though and I play at Bodog all the time.:joyman:

trojan87 · Oct 10, 2008

it is funny how everyone says that online poker is rigged because u cant see the person and u take a bad beat. i dont think is rigged but i had seen some gross flops and come across a few people that obv have a program as well as crazy play by knucklheads that work more often than not.

Four Dogs · Oct 10, 2008

Sorry for the delay my friends. Between work, soccer and fighting for plasma time I haven't had much time to keep up with this thread. I promise to update this this weekend though. I'll get to you deadhxc.

JOHN-E-FLUSH · Oct 11, 2008

i have heard the term "action cards" alot in my years playin online poker.
If there is any riggin goin on one thing i have noticed is how the short stacks seem to be the ones pushed out late in tourneys.
the quicker a guy gets knocked out the quicker he will jump into another event.....but thats just my opinon.
there was a article done about full tilt...when i find it i will post it....u might not like what u hear.

JOHN-E-FLUSH · Oct 11, 2008

JOHN-E-FLUSH said:
i have heard the term "action cards" alot in my years playin online poker.
If there is any riggin goin on one thing i have noticed is how the short stacks seem to be the ones pushed out late in tourneys.
the quicker a guy gets knocked out the quicker he will jump into another event.....but thats just my opinon.
there was a article done about full tilt...when i find it i will post it....u might not like what u hear.

i found it..it was a private audit done on tilts software....its on the later portion of this apcw video

YouTube - APCW Perspectives Weekly - February 29th, 2008

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