baby kahuna said:
Calling with 7/4 suited is not that all a weak play. You are small stack and everyone folds to you on the button. You go all in with it. Its the right move.
You are the Big stack in SB with 7/4 suited BB is very small stack and sure to go all in with anything you must raise him all in when everyone folds to the blinds. What are you 60/40 against a random hand?
Two tournaments I won because I did this.
A/Q small stack against my BS was beaten by my pair of 7/7 after the flop. He was the bubble.
7/4 suited when I was small stack and on the button and made a move against the blinds and was met with KK. Won with a flush. I'd do the same thing with 10/10 or J/J or A/Q. What am I going to do wait around for it? My small stack couldnt take it. You have to make a move when you have position or fold equity.
Pokers logic is more complex than waiting and calling with hands. You dont play hands if you want to win big time you play people and situations. You must beat 99% of the field to get into the top 3. You are going to have to take chances. Give me 7/4 suited instead of A/Ko against AA anytime.
I think we all know that the scenarios you paint are perhaps valid ones, but what about those that do it at the start of a tournament or when theres no pressure on them to build up their stacks.
If you are short stacked then you go in with anything, what have you got to lose... If you come up against AA then so be it. You were going out anyway if you didnt do something. Should you get lucky then fair enough.
Likewise if you are chip leader and its hardly gonna cost you any of your stack then why not have a bash.
What we are talking about is people who do it for no logical or sensible reason. There is no pressure. They are risking their entire stack on a call that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They dont consider that they could lose, they merely think of the increase in their chips should they get lucky, and thats precisely what they need... To get lucky..
If you have AA you have a hand. If you have 7 4 you dont. You dont even have a good hand.. You find me one person who can say that when they call an all in raise with 7 4 they believe that to be the best hand on the table...
As for your final point over what you would prefer to have against AA, then thats a nonsensical point. If we could choose hands to go against AA with then QQ or 10 J suited would be even better, but you cant decide which hands you are going to have when your opponent gets AA. And I know that 7 4 in my pocket is NOT the hand I want want. In fact its one of the last hands I would possibly want..
