WTF, proof of collusion on single table S N G @ Full Tilt, I'm startiing to get sick

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 19, 2010

marginal said:
Kasanova, I really hope you listen to this :

It is common human behaviour to think that they are better at something than they really are. This is the case with almost every poker player around. When you stop thinking you make all the correct decisions and start listening to people who have more experience and have shown greater profits/ winrate at similar or higher stakes, you will benefit so greatly.

This, a thousand times this.

Look, I didn't just post those pics because they were funny when interspersed with the quotes (okay so that was like half my motivation but w/e), I did so because it will ultimately benefit you to realise that you're not as good as you think you are. It's not just you, almost certainly over 90% of poker players think they are better than they actually are. Even some people with Pokertracker or suchlike who can see they are breakeven/losing over hundreds of thousands of hands will try and convince themselves they are just the victims of some ridiculous bad luck and are really winning players. The sooner you learn to leave your ego behind when you sit at a poker table, review a session, open a poker book, or begin to browse a poker forum, the better off you will be.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

marginal said:
Kasanova, I really hope you listen to this :

It is common human behaviour to think that they are better at something than they really are. This is the case with almost every poker player around. When you stop thinking you make all the correct decisions and start listening to people who have more experience and have shown greater profits/ winrate at similar or higher stakes, you will benefit so greatly.

You crack me up. I would love to play you heads up....we can even do it for play chips....best out of 7?? Let me know.

Marginal · Jan 19, 2010

Kasanova King said:
You crack me up. I would love to play you heads up....we can even do it for play chips....best out of 7?? Let me know.

It always ends up like this huh? ok then, what stake? I doubt you can afford what I want to play but w/e

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

Dorkus Malorkus said:
This, a thousand times this.

Look, I didn't just post those pics because they were funny when interspersed with the quotes (okay so that was like half my motivation but w/e), I did so because it will ultimately benefit you to realise that you're not as good as you think you are. It's not just you, almost certainly over 90% of poker players think they are better than they actually are. The sooner you learn to leave your ego behind when you sit at a poker table, open a poker book, or begin to browse a poker forum, the better off you will be.

Why don't you look at the ROI instead of the graphs, genius?? My ROI was still 14% on Cereus network....what does that tell you?? Come on now, think for a second. Like I said, I went on tilt, and started donking off my BR in higher stakes.

Not only that, Top shark shows stats for ALL S N' Goes, not just single table. I am way ahead in single table S N G's both online and live.

c9h13no3 · Jan 19, 2010

In before the lock. And in KKing's case, in before the sweet sweet merciful lock.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

marginal said:
It always ends up like this huh? ok then, what stake? I doubt you can afford what I want to play but w/e

We can do it for pride...lol...if you win, I'll start a thread here saying that you owned me and that I need to listen to your every word about poker if I win, you start the same thread about me. To me, that's worth more than any amount of cash I play with online....I only have about $100 in my Full Tilt account, so that's not gonna work.

We can do it tournament style or whatever you prefer.

Marginal · Jan 19, 2010

Yeah, I do not care about pride or what people think about me. I am not going to waste time if money is not involved.

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 19, 2010

Kasanova King said:
Why don't you look at the ROI instead of the graphs, genius?? My ROI was still 14% on Cereus network....what does that tell you??

It tells me you can beat super-micro stakes SNGs but can't beat micro-stakes SNGs. Next question?

Look, let's go back to the OP. If the big stack is playing effective poker it's in his interest to try and accumulate as many chips as possible. He knows that the short stack is going to have to make a move sooner rather than later, so pushing the shortest stack around may well be counter-productive. He also knows that the second-shortest stack is likely to be waiting for the shortest stack to bust (this is more readily prevalent in bubble situations but also applies when ITM). Therefore, by far the best way for the big stack to accumulate even more chips (all other things being equal) is to go after the second largest stack.

Whan you raise the button 3-handed with a middling stack and the big stack to your immediate left you're likely to be raising with a pretty wide range, and the big stack knows that if shoved on you will only be able to call with a tiny portion of that range (assuming that stack sizes dictate that he has fold equity if he shoves) because of the presence of the short stack (who will invariably fold and hope you call and bust unless he wakes up with a strong hand).

jaggibson · Jan 19, 2010

Never seen that site before. Looks like i blow full tilt which i knew. Any similar site that has bodog stats. Been doing decent there.

WurlyQ · Jan 19, 2010

OP fails in so many ways... I could point out a few but I feel bad so I won't. This will probably be ignored or met with a "What? I crush SnGs so my way to play is the best" or something like that. OP, if you have an interest in profiting, I would listen to others in this thread.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

marginal said:
Yeah, I do not care about pride or what people think about me. I am not going to waste time if money is not involved.

Let me know what stakes you want to play then....I won't risk more than 20% of my online BR so let me know....I'd rather play for more too but I won't redeposit, and I only have about $100 in there now.....

Tygran · Jan 19, 2010

I needed some lulz...thanks

Lo-Dog · Jan 19, 2010

I don't know what all you guys are talking about there is definite delusion going on here.

PattyR · Jan 19, 2010

Kasanova King said:
Let me know what stakes you want to play then....I won't risk more than 20% of my online BR so let me know....I'd rather play for more too but I won't redeposit, and I only have about $100 in there now.....

[ ] understands BRM

WurlyQ · Jan 19, 2010

Lo-Dog said:
I don't know what all you guys are talking about there is definite delusion going on here.

Haha. Clever!

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

Dorkus Malorkus said:
It tells me you can beat super-micro stakes SNGs but can't beat micro-stakes SNGs. Next question?

Look, let's go back to the OP. If the big stack is playing effective poker it's in his interest to try and accumulate as many chips as possible. He knows that the short stack is going to have to make a move sooner rather than later, so pushing the shortest stack around may well be counter-productive. He also knows that the second-shortest stack is likely to be waiting for the shortest stack to bust (this is more readily prevalent in bubble situations but also applies when ITM). Therefore, by far the best way for the big stack to accumulate even more chips (all other things being equal) is to go after the second largest stack.

Whan you raise the button 3-handed with a middling stack and the big stack to your immediate left you're likely to be raising with a pretty wide range, and the big stack knows that if shoved on you will only be able to call with a tiny portion of that range (assuming that stack sizes dictate that he has fold equity if he shoves) because of the presence of the short stack (who will invariably fold and hope you call and bust unless he wakes up with a strong hand).

Actually, if I remember correctly, I made most of my money on UB playing $2 and $5 Single table S N' Goes, then went on mega tilt and played one or 2 $10 Sit N' Goes and went all in the first 3 hands thinking," I'm done playing online"...totally retarded but I was on a rampage....

Actually all really good points and as a matter of fact I have used that strategy, I guess I didn't realize it until now....touche....

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

PattyR said:
[ ] understands BRM

That's my online BR sweetie,

Far from total BR

jaggibson · Jan 19, 2010

Ok back to the original reason for this post.

I looked on Top Shark for rightonbeat and raelbigs stats.

They were horrible. You would think if they were masters at collusion there stats wouldnt be shittier than mine at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

jaggibson said:
Ok back to the original reason for this post.

I looked on Top Shark for rightonbeat and raelbigs stats.

They were horrible. You would think if they were masters at collusion there stats wouldnt be shittier than mine at least.

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I never bothered to check them out, I probably should have, huh? lol

Maybe they realized they sucked so bad that this is the only way they could win, I dunno.....

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 19, 2010

It's sort of a given that someone who intentionally bothers to collude in $5 SNGs is a horrible player. Anyone with sense would either (a) be able to beat the games for enough as it is and not really care about the few% extra ROI they might get from colluding or (b) would move up and collude at higher stakes.

Not saying that I think there is collusion here, far from it - just saying that horrible stats don't necessarily exempt someone from being a colluder. A -20% ROI player who doesn't check his stats and thinks he is breaking even might turn into a -10% ROI player who thinks he's winning with collusion, or something.

jaggibson · Jan 19, 2010

So Dorkus how come your stats aren't on top shark. searched Qhr1s0 no results. Just wondering.

ihtennis · Jan 19, 2010

send an email to ft. There is an email address on full tilt specifically for collusion. I sent an email to them over a month ago about collusion that was blatantly obvious and the players basically admitted that they colluded and still havent had a reply from ft. It will probably take them a long time to respond to you too.

blackmax · Jan 19, 2010

Thats an uphill slop your trying to climb sir.Honestly i don't really see "collusion" either dirty poker mabey.I undestand the need to contact FT though because if it was collusion than something should be done about it.Good luck with this one but i high doubt it will yield the results your looking for.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

ihtennis said:
send an email to ft. There is an email address on full tilt specifically for collusion. I sent an email to them over a month ago about collusion that was blatantly obvious and the players basically admitted that they colluded and still havent had a reply from ft. It will probably take them a long time to respond to you too.

I already did although apparently they weren't colluding according to everyone here. We'll see what FTP says.

Kasanova King · Jan 19, 2010

blackmax said:
Thats an uphill slop your trying to climb sir.Honestly i don't really see "collusion" either dirty poker mabey.I undestand the need to contact FT though because if it was collusion than something should be done about it.Good luck with this one but i high doubt it will yield the results your looking for.

I'm just trying to do my small part in ridding the sites of these cheats. I did cash in the STT so I actually would make more from the cash than if FTP decided to refund all the player's buy ins - so technically, I will lose $$ if they decided to do so. I'm just trying to do the right thing.

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