BelgoSuisse said:
Is this a serious answer, or are you joking about the black line? Clearly, I'm not asking for input on that. And your formula is not what I'm asking either. I'm talking about my graph (which is a way to look at data without putting it into a formula first). Actually, what I said was (r+b)/2 > b - ((r+b)/2)) or conversely r + ((r+b/2)) > (r+b)/2. I hope I got those formulas right, but it's a lot easier to visualize with the graph -- just draw a line half way between red and blue and see if your green line is higher or lower.
But does anyone have any advice on what to think about the graph? What I see is that when I first started playing, I was much tighter and weaker. My green and blue lines were much closer together, with a less sloped red line. Then I started playing more aggressively and the slopes of the lines changed -- red went down, blue went up. I'm wondering if that difference is a visual representation of aggression or variance or ???.
Jurn8 said:
Well, this is a paradox. I'm trying to grind up to higher stakes, while keeping with my bankroll guidelines. The best way to do that quickly is to play the way I am now, I believe. It would be impossible to start at higher levels and stay within the BR, which in my case is no more than 2% per table.
BelgoSuisse said:
Of course I need to think, but I'm trying to learn to do it quickly. That will be valuable as I move up. I'm certainly no robot and thinking and improving are important to me. Right now, I think I'm progressing in a reasonable manner. I guess I'll find out when my bankroll lets me move up if I have to completely overhaul my game, but if so, I will.
Hi new grinder started today!!
Basically the Welsh Wonder (switch!!) made a comment in april genral thread about sngs and after a year and a half of grinding then taking shots at 3 dollars and stalling there I have decided to try somecash games.
Time to be honest here my game is really poor, I know how to work out pot odds but never really bother when I play, I know what implied odds are but have not even tried to understand how to work them out and actually use them. I play very tight poker and only get aggresive when I have the nuts although I do bluff and when I concentrate my hand reading can get a little better than average. I am a total nit and need to work on raising more. I am aware of the idea of positional play but do not fully understand the power of it. I am clueless as to what some poker terms mean such as Double Barreling means and basically I would fire up sngs and creep into the money and work from there.
So as it stands now I have just over 100$ at stars, and a small roll of 23 at FT where today I have won a whole buy in of 2$ (ship it!!!). So basically I am going to start at the lowest limits and try learn some concepts and hopefully improve my game because sngs are crushing my spirit. So what I would like is some advice on how to start off, a good hand chart would be great what hands to play in what position and how to raise them etc. Where shall I play cash ft or stars? And basically any advice for me would be amazing.
Cheers all hope you can help.
Basically the Welsh Wonder (switch!!) made a comment in april genral thread about sngs and after a year and a half of grinding then taking shots at 3 dollars and stalling there I have decided to try somecash games.
Time to be honest here my game is really poor, I know how to work out pot odds but never really bother when I play, I know what implied odds are but have not even tried to understand how to work them out and actually use them. I play very tight poker and only get aggresive when I have the nuts although I do bluff and when I concentrate my hand reading can get a little better than average. I am a total nit and need to work on raising more. I am aware of the idea of positional play but do not fully understand the power of it. I am clueless as to what some poker terms mean such as Double Barreling means and basically I would fire up sngs and creep into the money and work from there.
So as it stands now I have just over 100$ at stars, and a small roll of 23 at FT where today I have won a whole buy in of 2$ (ship it!!!). So basically I am going to start at the lowest limits and try learn some concepts and hopefully improve my game because sngs are crushing my spirit. So what I would like is some advice on how to start off, a good hand chart would be great what hands to play in what position and how to raise them etc. Where shall I play cash ft or stars? And basically any advice for me would be amazing.
Cheers all hope you can help.
i got a question about the win rate at 2NL. i read that 40bb/100 or 20BB/100 is within reach. so would that be 80 cents over a hundred hands? or would it be like 8 cents a hand? and how many hands would it be to make $200? i way confused i think. please if someone could help out i greatly appreciate it ty.
Welcome, MrMc. I've been trying to work on playing position better myself. I'm also pretty nitty playing only 18% of hands at 6max. I thinkdouble barreling is just cbetting and following with another bet on the turn.
Cardplayer, yes 20BB/100 is sustainable at 2nl which is in fact 80c/100, about a penny per hand...just multitable.
...oh, so that would be 25k hands, but you'd be rolled to move up before then..
Cardplayer, yes 20BB/100 is sustainable at 2nl which is in fact 80c/100, about a penny per hand...just multitable.
...oh, so that would be 25k hands, but you'd be rolled to move up before then..
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My Routine:
Watch a DC or CC vid, focus on something that I want to watch during my session and improve.
Play 6-8 tables of 6max (really focusing on switching tables to keep them good atm) This allows me to still get volume while being able to focus and make decisions/take notes on villains tendencies.
After I usually just check the biggest winners and the biggest losers of the session and fight myself not to look at my ev graph.
Anyone up for setting some group sweats up or regular sweats in general? I'm pretty worthless at FR i think but I'll do those too.
Ideally maybe have the person being sweated make a vid without audio and then 2 others talk through with the player about the hands. Allows us to pause video for more discussion.
Watch a DC or CC vid, focus on something that I want to watch during my session and improve.
Play 6-8 tables of 6max (really focusing on switching tables to keep them good atm) This allows me to still get volume while being able to focus and make decisions/take notes on villains tendencies.
After I usually just check the biggest winners and the biggest losers of the session and fight myself not to look at my ev graph.
Anyone up for setting some group sweats up or regular sweats in general? I'm pretty worthless at FR i think but I'll do those too.
Ideally maybe have the person being sweated make a vid without audio and then 2 others talk through with the player about the hands. Allows us to pause video for more discussion.
D'wilius said:
thanks i firgured it right but it just seemed off. i guess the next limit for me would be 5NL as i play at fulltilt. so i'm figuring i would need a roll of atleast $100 for that. ok for my next question would be how many hands can you average an hour? i'm guessing around 40 does that sound about right?
Deltafrost said:
That would be really cool and similar to a thing they're doing on DC for micro stakes players (25nl & 50nl) tubasteve + another coach take like 8 students for a group session.
It would be cool if this got off the ground possibly a good midstakes reg sweating a microstakes and then the entire group discussing it ?
Only problem being that there might not be enough interesting hands to talk about ..
cardplayer52 said:
I HAVE THE DUBIOUS HONOR OF BEING A ..
OH WAIT SORRY...
Ehem... as I was saying...
I have played a fair amount of 02nl. Many would make fun of me for it, but I am familiar with the game. 😎
I am missing a lot of hands from my database, but the trend here is the same...
I am a fairly casual player, and only single table or sometimes 2-table. I have ~30k hands recorded at 02nl (I also play higher penny stakes on full moons). It took me about 21k hands to record a $200 gain.
My overall winrate at 02nl is ~45bb/100 so, yes you can sustain a high bb/100 down here.
The common suggestion of playing solid TAG poker and betting the turn and river for value is solid advice. There ARE other ways you can profit at 02nl though.. just like all the levels. 😉
One thing, in my very humble opinion, you mustn't do is underestimate the game. Of course 02nl is FILLED with horrible players, but poker is poker. You have to understand who you are up against in the same way you would need to if you were playing $50/100. It's just the pain is far more palatable down here. 😉
RogueRivered said:
Rogue, I saw you earlier on the tables when I was donking around at 2nl, I shouted out "CARDSCHAT!" in the chatbox but you must not have seen it. 😛
But anyway dude, your red line going way the hell down is completely normal. All it means is that you're not winning many non-showdown pots (obviously) which is expected at your stake. Do not worry about trying to make that line positive, it will NEVER happen at 2nl. Or 5nl. Or 10nl. Or even 25nl. Your red and blue lines on your graph should have an inverse relationship because it just means you are value betting your good hands all the way to showdown and winning, and contrarily you are giving up on marginal hands before showdown. People like Belgo have positive red lines because they are double and triple barreling, check-raising, and doing moves that are a bit more sophisticated than what is necessary for the micros.
Cliffsnotes: Downward sloping red-line on your graph at the micros: good.
Hey kleitches, thanks for the input. Sorry I didn't notice the chat box. That would have been cool to see "CARDSCHAT." I had 15 tables going . . . anyway, I've never played such a loose session (39.1/23.2), but it was fun.
dsv, differ away. I'm open to any kind of advice.
dsv, differ away. I'm open to any kind of advice.
I had a huge + red line (while having an even bigger negative blue line) for my entire career. Until I fixed me game up a couple of weeks ago. Now the red line is about breakeven, 3/4 of the month it stead steady ish at +2 buy ins, last 7k hands its in a steady decline.