** April's Micro Grinder Thread 2NL - 25NL **

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Jurn8 said:
lol yeah I just think its pretty funny. Im yet to win an AIPF 100BBs deep, KK into AA 6 times and AA into KK twice and been cracked twice lol
I just laugh nothing you can do about it tbh lol
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Yeah not a dang thing you can do about it unfortunately. For me it got so bad that I was getting coolered with set under set 2 - 3 times in a 2 hour session mixed in with the KK<AA and KK>AA hah. I just try to look forward to that long awaited heater streak at the end of the doom tunnel😀

Side Note: Started playing 11.50 turbo heads up sit n gos....SO SOFT🙂 good equalizer for sure
 
yeah iv starting playing the 5.50 20k gtd donkament just to change it up from the grind and will continue to do so throughout the whole of may tbh!

Are there any micro grinders struggling atm over long term or want to discuss anything?

Anybody want to do any prop bets/motivation bets/fun bets?
 
meh think im missing a SHIT LOAD!! of value in pots.
I sometimes make bets that I think players will call with like 1/2 pot or 1/3 pot when I have like two pair or a set on the river or a strong hand. I just watched a video from DC and belugawhale was saying in this one pot where a dude had two pair and he was doing exactly what I do and he was like he is just missing a tonne of value here and I do it allllllll the time. Sigh!!
 
Jurn8 said:
meh think im missing a SHIT LOAD!! of value in pots.
I sometimes make bets that I think players will call with like 1/2 pot or 1/3 pot when I have like two pair or a set on the river or a strong hand. I just watched a video from DC and belugawhale was saying in this one pot where a dude had two pair and he was doing exactly what I do and he was like he is just missing a tonne of value here and I do it allllllll the time. Sigh!!
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That's really prevalent at the micros. So often, I'll call a small river bet and my opponent turns over a monster. I look at the pot, and thank Buddha that he didn't put any pressure on me, because I was surely calling a much bigger bet than he tossed out.

I know it's hard, what with so many of the nitty regs playing a trapping get-all-their-value-with-a-check-raise-on-the-river style, but increasing the value you get in showdown pots really goes a long way toward boosting your BB/100 winrate.
 
Not been around much lately b/c i'm busy with soldiery things atm, managed to get myself back to my room and deposit $300 on stars for a nice $60 bonus in 1200 fpp's 😀

Also, my laptop screen is now totally screwed, i think the back light inverter thingy is broked so i'm taking it to a repair shop near me tomorrow to hopefully get it fixed sharpish, i'm going crazy with no poker for the past week!!!! been reading Hoh cash games and Killer poker by the numbers to keep my head in it though 😀

Before i went on exercise my poker was going quite breakeven/badly though so hopefully the break will do me good, i'm going to go back to the tried and tested formula that got me through 5nl, 6 tables max of FR til i sort out the issues i've been having at 10nl and hopefully get my roll back up where it belongs (not $286) lol
 
Jurn8 said:
meh think im missing a SHIT LOAD!! of value in pots.
I sometimes make bets that I think players will call with like 1/2 pot or 1/3 pot when I have like two pair or a set on the river or a strong hand. I just watched a video from DC and belugawhale was saying in this one pot where a dude had two pair and he was doing exactly what I do and he was like he is just missing a tonne of value here and I do it allllllll the time. Sigh!!
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It has been forever since I posted in here,

Anyway, something I picked up from Skalnsky is that bigger bets are usually best. Part of the reason is that your bets need to be called less to be just as profitable. If you bet is 50% bigger it only has to get called half as much to be just as profitable. Sure it sucks when they do fold but I think you will be really shocked how often you get called shoving the nuts.
 
Jurn8 said:
meh think im missing a SHIT LOAD!! of value in pots.
I sometimes make bets that I think players will call with like 1/2 pot or 1/3 pot when I have like two pair or a set on the river or a strong hand. I just watched a video from DC and belugawhale was saying in this one pot where a dude had two pair and he was doing exactly what I do and he was like he is just missing a tonne of value here and I do it allllllll the time. Sigh!!
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Yeah for the small bet to be right your opponents have to have a very narrow range such that they'll call your 1/3 or 1/2 pot bet but fold to a 3/4 or full pot bet. It just makes more sense (and cents) to go for a bigger bet on the river and get more value the times you are called.
 
Yeah so I have been missing an absolute tonne of value from river bets over like the 200k hands I have played this year!!
I am now going to bet bigger 2/3 pot thin v betting then standard 3/4 pot or pot sized bets with stronger hands. I did it just because I wanted them to call, However looking at the comments above it makes a load more sense to bet bigger and get called less often.
Hopefully I see a difference in my winrate 😀😀
 
Wow, I guess i've really been missing out on this too. Might be a big contributor for my slow progression and the brick wall I hit everytime I move up to 25NL. Definitely makes more sense after reading it. I'll try to work that into tonights session a little more and see what happens. Thanks for the info d00ds😀
 
Quick question, Ive been running into a lot of situations against 20BB short stacks when I've raised with AK suited 4BB's and they shove. Is it +EV to call in those situations? Most of these are the reg short stackers. Specifically at the 10NL and 25NL levels.
 
Caseace48 said:
Quick question, Ive been running into a lot of situations against 20BB short stacks when I've raised with AK suited 4BB's and they shove. Is it +EV to call in those situations? Most of these are the reg short stackers. Specifically at the 10NL and 25NL levels.
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Yes. Call.
 
obviously if they are like a 3/6 nit then it may not be +ev but my general stacking off range vs unknown shortys is QQ, AK,AA, KK.

I think its deffo profitable to stack AK vs shortys
 
Jurn8 said:
obviously if they are like a 3/6 nit then it may not be +ev but my general stacking off range vs unknown shortys is QQ, AK,AA, KK.

I think its deffo profitable to stack AK vs shortys
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My general stacking range against unknown short stackers is something like TT+/AQ+. Unknown short stackers at our stakes generally are just bad players with a limited BR that think they're limiting their losses by buying in short. I give them little credit until they prove me wrong.
 
WVHillbilly said:
My general stacking range against unknown short stackers is something like TT+/AQ+. Unknown short stackers at our stakes generally are just bad players with a limited BR that think they're limiting their losses by buying in short. I give them little credit until they prove me wrong.
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This. For the most part, shortstackers below 100NL are horrible.
 
Jurn8 said:
obviously if they are like a 3/6 nit then it may not be +ev but my general stacking off range vs unknown shortys is QQ, AK,AA, KK.

I think its deffo profitable to stack AK vs shortys
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Your tight against shortys.
25nl 6max vs a shorty that shoves/3bets over my opening raise im stacking 88+,AQ+
 
Sets = $$$ when starting tables too 😀

BB: $24.26 (97 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 2:club: 2:diamond:
Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6) 8:diamond: 5:heart: 2:heart: (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $21.26 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.26

Turn: ($48.52) 3:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($48.52) A:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $48.52 pot ($0.50 rake)
BB showed K:spade: 8:spade: (a pair of Eights) and lost (-$24.26 net)
Hero showed 2:club: 2:diamond: (three of a kind, Twos) and won $48.02 ($23.76 net)
 
Jurn8 said:
meh think im missing a SHIT LOAD!! of value in pots.
I sometimes make bets that I think players will call with like 1/2 pot or 1/3 pot when I have like two pair or a set on the river or a strong hand. I just watched a video from DC and belugawhale was saying in this one pot where a dude had two pair and he was doing exactly what I do and he was like he is just missing a tonne of value here and I do it allllllll the time. Sigh!!
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How exactly are you missing value? I'm assuming you're saying you should betting larger on the river with good hands?
 
yeah I am tight vs shortys.
Also why the hell does my KK keep running into AA thats 7 fcking times now at 50nl !!! Dont know if its profitable to stack KK AIPF anymore.

Finally plan to make 10k VPPs on the month by tonight, 500 vpps to go which is like another 2.5k hands. Hopefully I will make it but going to cut to 10 tables instead of 12!
 
kleitches said:
How exactly are you missing value? I'm assuming you're saying you should betting larger on the river with good hands?
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Im missing value because people are calling 1/2 pot bets when they could be calling 3/4 pot bets which is missed $$$.
Yeah I know people may call 1/2 pot bets rather than 3/4 pot bets but the times they will have to call will be less for the 3/4 pot bets than the 1/2 pot bets for it to be as profitable
 
Jurn8 said:
Im missing value because people are calling 1/2 pot bets when they could be calling 3/4 pot bets which is missed $$$.
Yeah I know people may call 1/2 pot bets rather than 3/4 pot bets but the times they will have to call will be less for the 3/4 pot bets than the 1/2 pot bets for it to be as profitable
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Here's what I want you to do. In spots where you're going to bet the river, bet twice what you normally would even if it's an overbet.
 
I know its very situational, but for a general rule of thumb FR 10 and 25NL if I air a flop with 2 or more opponents in the hand should I not be C-betting? There are obviously spots where the type of player in the hand and position dictate otherwise. But I just wanted to make sure thats a pretty standard rule to abide by?😎
 
There's not really a standard rule for that spot. It greatly depends on flop and your image at the table and ofc villains.

If I know villains are TAGs and somewhat know me. I open early or mid ish and flop comes A59 or something similar I'm pretty much cbetting that 100% of the time. Remember a cbet is really just a jab if you miss. If you meet resistance it should be easy for you to fold.

I tend to cbet a little bit too much though I think. It does provide a good amount of income but when opponents are hitting flops all night it can get costly 🙁
 
dsvw56 said:
Here's what I want you to do. In spots where you're going to bet the river, bet twice what you normally would even if it's an overbet.
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how come buddy? I have been betting alot larger last session and its surprising how many people are actually still calling me down tbh.Shame my Kings keep running into Aces lol
 
Got back even then ran into quad aces then next hand pocket aces, ah well only lost 2 thirds of my 2 dollars could be worse.
 
Jurn8 said:
how come buddy? I have been betting alot larger last session and its surprising how many people are actually still calling me down tbh.Shame my Kings keep running into Aces lol
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That's why.
 
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