**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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Jurn8 said:
Theres only around 50, stop being lazy. I dont know I have never played on UB. If you dont have time to look through them then how do you have time to play poker? These will only improve your game and assist you when playing.

Alright, but only because you twisted my arm.

And I'm playing poker is the reason I'm "too lazy" LOL. Up 1.5 b/i's already, so I don't wanna stop!
 
Jurn8 said:
Ok Guys I think its time we got down to some strategy in this thread and I have scanned back through and assigned some guys some strategy topics to write about. I am currently thinking about what I am going to write but I shall have a look on DC for some topics. I think I may do one on Position.

If you dont like your topic then let me know guys...

Lemlywinks - Maths of set mining and suited connectors
Sindri - Reverse implied odds + implied odds
Enty - Stack to pot ratio
Deltafrost - Equity + fold equity
Dwillius -Cbetting
Shrog - Pot Odds
Steveg - Stealing

Tenbob said he would do a review of 3betting light and wa/wb which would be very good.

Its up to you how complex to make your strategy article but it will be good to get some strategy in this thread GL guys.

Good stuff Jake!

Listen guys, you will only get something out of this thread if your willing to actually put something in to it. Do some research on the topics, write it out in your own words and post it here. It's a great way to get you guys thinking about the game more. Don't worry if you think it's too simple, or you think some of the content may not be correct, at the end of the day it's a discussion thread. The more experienced members can pipe in and correct any inaccuracies, if needs be.
 
Did I make the right play here, or did I just get lucky?


Stage #1244172377: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2009-02-05 11:09:56 (ET)
Table: AMES AVE (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - RUSDRUNKFISH ($12.49 in chips)
Seat 4 - ERIC35 ($11.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - BELPHIGORE ($14.43 in chips)
Seat 6 - JONYJONS ($8.09 in chips)
Seat 1 - FLO21800 ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 2 - DCRYS1979 ($8.66 in chips)
ERIC35 - Posts small blind $0.05
BELPHIGORE - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DCRYS1979 [Ah Jh]
JONYJONS - Raises $0.35 to $0.35
FLO21800 - Folds
DCRYS1979 - Calls $0.35
RUSDRUNKFISH - Folds
ERIC35 - Folds
BELPHIGORE - Calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4h 7h]
BELPHIGORE - Bets $0.30
JONYJONS - Raises $2 to $2
DCRYS1979 - Calls $2
BELPHIGORE - All-In(Raise) $13.78 to $14.08
JONYJONS - All-In $5.74
DCRYS1979 - All-In $6.31
BELPHIGORE - returned ($5.77) : not called
*** TURN *** [Kc 4h 7h] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4h 7h 3h] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DCRYS1979 - Shows [Ah Jh] (Flush, ace high)
BELPHIGORE - Shows [Kh Qs] (Flush, king high)
JONYJONS - Shows [Ac Ad] (One pair, aces)
DCRYS1979 Collects $1.09 from side pot-1
DCRYS1979 Collects $23.10 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($25.46:$24.32,$1.14) | Rake ($1.27:$1.22,$0.05)
Board [Kc 4h 7h 3h 8h]
Seat 1: FLO21800 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: DCRYS1979 won Total ($24.19) All-In HI🙁$24.19) with Flush, ace high [Ah Jh - P:Ah,P:Jh,B:8h,B:7h,B:4h]
Seat 3: RUSDRUNKFISH (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ERIC35 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: BELPHIGORE (big blind) HI:lost with Flush, king high [Kh Qs - P:Kh,B:8h,B:7h,B:4h,B:3h]
Seat 6: JONYJONS HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ac Ad - P:Ad,P:Ac,B:Kc,B:8h,B:7h]
 
I'm willing to do a topic, I just don't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction. But after what Jag said, go ahead and give me one if you want, Jurn.
 
dg1267 said:
I'm willing to do a topic, I just don't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction. But after what Jag said, go ahead and give me one if you want, Jurn.

errrr umm, I cant think of any more topics atm. Im doing positional play I think now.

Anybody suggest a topic? BTW nice going buddy keep winning at the tables
 
Jurn8 said:
Ok Guys I think its time we got down to some strategy in this thread and I have scanned back through and assigned some guys some strategy topics to write about. I am currently thinking about what I am going to write but I shall have a look on DC for some topics. I think I may do one on Position.

If you dont like your topic then let me know guys...

Lemlywinks - Maths of set mining and suited connectors
Sindri - Reverse implied odds + implied odds
Enty - Stack to pot ratio
Deltafrost - Equity + fold equity
Dwillius -Cbetting
Shrog - Pot Odds
Steveg - Stealing

Tenbob said he would do a review of 3betting light and wa/wb which would be very good.

Its up to you how complex to make your strategy article but it will be good to get some strategy in this thread GL guys.

Got it boss 😉
 
oh in the hand im going to guess at you didnt lol but I would have to see stats etc of the villian. AJ isnt very strong in FR but iv never played 6max so not sure lol as some of the big 6max guys.
 
Jurn8 said:
errrr umm, I cant think of any more topics atm. Im doing positional play I think now.

Anybody suggest a topic? BTW nice going buddy keep winning at the tables


Isolating. Big $$ maker when done correctly against the right player types.
 
orangepeeleo said:
Hey guys, i read a post on here form a while back, i think it was ChuckTs one on micro stakes, but anyways, it says something about a program called AutoHotKey.
I know about macro's and what they do but could anybody explain how they use this at the tables, i'm just starting to slowly add tables now and it would be bad if i was missing out on an easier way to multi-table, i might be just missing the blatantly obvious here so i expect to be laughed at lol

There's a new program out that combines all of these into one program and has some other features i haven't seen available through AHKscripts.

It's called TableNinja and is still in Beta testing for now so try it out and see if you like it. If you need help setting it up shoot me a PM as I've been using it for a couple weeks now.

http://www.tableninja.com
 
correct WV how could I forget!

Iv just started working on it aswell in my game... how could I forget!

Also squeezing could be involved!
 
I wouldn't mind doing "squeezing". That seems like something I'm more interested in learning.
 
Deltafrost said:
There's a new program out that combines all of these into one program and has some other features i haven't seen available through AHKscripts.

It's called TableNinja and is still in Beta testing for now so try it out and see if you like it. If you need help setting it up shoot me a PM as I've been using it for a couple weeks now.

http://www.tableninja.com

Isn't this only for PS?
 
Jurn8 said:
If you dont like your topic then let me know guys...

Dwillius -Cbetting

Whoa, whoa. I've been given an assignment? I wanted to see if a leftover topic was something I could handle.

D'wilius said:
I'm just going to do what I always did, let you guys do the work...Let me see who signs up for what, maybe I can do one too.

fwiw this is all I know about cbetting...
https://www.cardschat.com/showpost953785-post1.html

Seriously though, I won't be on the cpu for a week after today so you might want to reassign this.
 
D'wilius said:
Whoa, whoa. I've been given an assignment? I wanted to see if a leftover topic was something I could handle.



fwiw this is all I know about cbetting...
https://www.cardschat.com/showpost953785-post1.html

Seriously though, I won't be on the cpu for a week after today so you might want to reassign this.



Thats good if you dont know alot so you can research it and find out 😀

No time limit on this, its not an assignment lol but if you dont want to do it then its cool mate let us know!
 
Alright, then if the timing isn't a problem. Its probably better for me to do a topic out of my comfort zone anyway. I'll do some reading on the subject...
 
Jake it looks like you and the others are putting a lot of effort into this and its a great idea

keep it up all of you
 
dg1267 said:
Did I make the right play here, or did I just get lucky?


Stage #1244172377: Holdem No Limit $0.10 - 2009-02-05 11:09:56 (ET)
Table: AMES AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - RUSDRUNKFISH ($12.49 in chips)
Seat 4 - ERIC35 ($11.98 in chips)
Seat 5 - BELPHIGORE ($14.43 in chips)
Seat 6 - JONYJONS ($8.09 in chips)
Seat 1 - FLO21800 ($4.20 in chips)
Seat 2 - DCRYS1979 ($8.66 in chips)
ERIC35 - Posts small blind $0.05
BELPHIGORE - Posts big blind $0.10
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to DCRYS1979 [Ah Jh]
JONYJONS - Raises $0.35 to $0.35
FLO21800 - Folds
DCRYS1979 - Calls $0.35
RUSDRUNKFISH - Folds
ERIC35 - Folds
BELPHIGORE - Calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [Kc 4h 7h]
BELPHIGORE - Bets $0.30
JONYJONS - Raises $2 to $2
DCRYS1979 - Calls $2
BELPHIGORE - All-In(Raise) $13.78 to $14.08
JONYJONS - All-In $5.74
DCRYS1979 - All-In $6.31
BELPHIGORE - returned ($5.77) : not called
*** TURN *** [Kc 4h 7h] 3♥
*** RIVER *** [Kc 4h 7h 3h] 8♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DCRYS1979 - Shows [Ah Jh] (Flush, ace high)
BELPHIGORE - Shows [Kh Qs] (Flush, king high)
JONYJONS - Shows [Ac Ad] (One pair, aces)
DCRYS1979 Collects $1.09 from side pot-1
DCRYS1979 Collects $23.10 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($25.46:$24.32,$1.14) | Rake ($1.27:$1.22,$0.05)
Board [Kc 4h 7h 3h 8h]
Seat 1: FLO21800 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: DCRYS1979 won Total ($24.19) All-In HI🙁$24.19) with Flush, ace high [Ah Jh - P:Ah,P:Jh,B:8h,B:7h,B:4h]
Seat 3: RUSDRUNKFISH (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: ERIC35 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: BELPHIGORE (big blind) HI:lost with Flush, king high [Kh Qs - P:Kh,B:8h,B:7h,B:4h,B:3h]
Seat 6: JONYJONS HI:lost with One pair, aces [Ac Ad - P:Ad,P:Ac,B:Kc,B:8h,B:7h]

DG - its very difficult to give advice on a hand without stats or reads, so given that we'll treat it as your 1st hand at the table. My standard play with AJs in the c/o is to 3bet. I don't like flatting here b/c we leave ourself open to sqz plays from the btn/blinds. If I were otb, then sometimes I'll call b/c I now have prime position.

On the flop, I pretty much always jam with the nut fl dr. I hate calling as were not getting the right price, although we have implied odds. However, how often do we get paid off if we hit our flush on the turn. So for me I pretty much play my draws aggro in this situation. Not saying that's the ideal play, as I'm sure other 6max players may play it a little more passively.
 
jewboy07 said:
Jake it looks like you and the others are putting a lot of effort into this and its a great idea

keep it up all of you

Thanks buddy, just trying to help everybody out and make some progress up the stakes! Thanks for recognising this though mate!
 
Crystal Blue said:
What I wanted to ask about was if this thread by tenbob from the golden archive would still pretty much hold up 18 months down the road from when he wrote it.

https://www.cardschat.com/f49/how-beat-nl-10-isnt-book-90173/

I know it was just a spur of the moment post from tenbob at the time but it obviously made a lot of sense and had decent tips in it for that level.
I will more than likely play pretty much how he suggested tbh but wondered if 18 months later, I needed to add or eliminate any aspects of his post to my game.

Cheers.

Steveg1976 said:
Also check out this one from ChuckTs Here

Jurn8 said:
I also have written abit about how I beat 10NL and what my strategy was which you can read here.

http://jurnspokeradventure.blogspot.com/2009/01/10nl-and-25nl-so-far.html


Thank you for those other links guys, I have read them both and pretty much have my strategy worked out now. Thx to tenbob, chucks and jurn for writing them up.

The one thing I have noticed at this level so far, is that the vast majority just don't respect a button raise/steal. I'm unsure a lot of them even know what I am attempting which bodes well in some ways I guess. But from what what I've witnessed so far, if I don't have a couple of nits to my left, ATS seems fairly fruitless.

With that in mind, table selection becomes much more important. However, I am finding it difficult to find the ideal tables without spending a lot of time sitting in, waiting for the big blind, and then waiting for HUD to kick in and gather the information I need on the players to my immediate left to establish if they are suitable for steals.

I suppose gathering a suitable amount of hands on players is the only option available to me really, unless I'm missing something.

Cheers.
 
Crystal Blue said:
Thank you for those other links guys, I have read them both and pretty much have my strategy worked out now. Thx to tenbob, chucks and jurn for writing them up.

The one thing I have noticed at this level so far, is that the vast majority just don't respect a button raise/steal. I'm unsure a lot of them even know what I am attempting which bodes well in some ways I guess. But from what what I've witnessed so far, if I don't have a couple of nits to my left, ATS seems fairly fruitless.

With that in mind, table selection becomes much more important. However, I am finding it difficult to find the ideal tables without spending a lot of time sitting in, waiting for the big blind, and then waiting for HUD to kick in and gather the information I need on the players to my immediate left to establish if they are suitable for steals.

I suppose gathering a suitable amount of hands on players is the only option available to me really, unless I'm missing something.

Cheers.

Agreed that they dont respect stealing much but this is where position and cbetting come in to play. Alot call from the blinds but then when you fire a Cbet at them or re raise their $0.05 donk bet they will fold most of the time but if you meet resistance that means they probably will have a hand.

A HUD is such a valuable tool and fold to cbet stat will help you know when to fire a Cbet out at them and also the steal stats.
 
Jurn8 said:
Agreed that they dont respect stealing much but this is where position and cbetting come in to play. Alot call from the blinds but then when you fire a Cbet at them or re raise their $0.05 donk bet they will fold most of the time but if you meet resistance that means they probably will have a hand.

A HUD is such a valuable tool and fold to cbet stat will help you know when to fire a Cbet out at them and also the steal stats.

Very true Jurn, thx for the tip. And LOL at the 0.5 Donk Bets, I think I have seen more of those than anything else so far. Can't complain about that though. 😀
 
lol, sindri has been giving a bitch of a topic to right about, gl with that dude 😛

you all better do your homework 🙂
 
Crystal Blue said:
Thank you for those other links guys, I have read them both and pretty much have my strategy worked out now. Thx to tenbob, chucks and jurn for writing them up.

The one thing I have noticed at this level so far, is that the vast majority just don't respect a button raise/steal. I'm unsure a lot of them even know what I am attempting which bodes well in some ways I guess. But from what what I've witnessed so far, if I don't have a couple of nits to my left, ATS seems fairly fruitless.

With that in mind, table selection becomes much more important. However, I am finding it difficult to find the ideal tables without spending a lot of time sitting in, waiting for the big blind, and then waiting for HUD to kick in and gather the information I need on the players to my immediate left to establish if they are suitable for steals.

I suppose gathering a suitable amount of hands on players is the only option available to me really, unless I'm missing something.

Cheers.

It's not bad for you if they don't fold to steals because you get to play a raised pot in position. Just tighten up your steals a little bit (so stop stealing with J2 or whatever) and cbet a ton. Most of the blind defenders just want to see a flop so make them pay to do it and take the pot away when they miss.
 
Jagsti said:
DG - its very difficult to give advice on a hand without stats or reads, so given that we'll treat it as your 1st hand at the table. My standard play with AJs in the c/o is to 3bet. I don't like flatting here b/c we leave ourself open to sqz plays from the btn/blinds. If I were otb, then sometimes I'll call b/c I now have prime position.

On the flop, I pretty much always jam with the nut fl dr. I hate calling as were not getting the right price, although we have implied odds. However, how often do we get paid off if we hit our flush on the turn. So for me I pretty much play my draws aggro in this situation. Not saying that's the ideal play, as I'm sure other 6max players may play it a little more passively.

Thanks for the advice. And both of these guys were over 45/25 in stats. I've been tryin to pay a lot more attention to stats lately and it really does seem to help.

Also, I'm not real aggressive without a made hand. I don't like to bet on draws much, and I think most of that is because I'm really not rolled for this stake yet.
 
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