**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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Also, to jurn, if your interested in the maths side of poker i would highly reccomend killer poker by the numbers, it really helped me with my session analysis and its written really well i think.
 
dsvw56 said:
Tilt control time. I want everyone to go in to their DB and look at their sessions. Order by total minutes played, then look at your 10 longest sessions. Are they mostly winning, or losing sessions? Post your results

8 Wins
2 Losses
0 Breakeven*


*+/- <0.25BB/100

4 wins
6 losses
0 break even
 
dsvw56 said:
Tilt control time. I want everyone to go in to their DB and look at their sessions. Order by total minutes played, then look at your 10 longest sessions. Are they mostly winning, or losing sessions? Post your results

8 Wins
2 Losses
0 Breakeven*


*+/- <0.25BB/100
5wins
5loses

But in my long winning seasions im winning alot more then im losing in the long losing seasions.
3 of the lossing seasions are around -3-10BB while my long winning are around 20BB+ and one 355BB 😀(drunken CC 2NL where i managed to get a 70$+ stack).
 
6 Wins
4 Loses
0 Breakeven

Only 1 of the 'losing' sessions is above 50BB's though

What does this have to do with tilt control??
 
orangepeeleo said:
6 Wins
4 Loses
0 Breakeven

Only 1 of the 'losing' sessions is above 50BB's though

What does this have to do with tilt control??
if 10 of your longest seasions where losing ones it would indicated you where playing to much to get even and also when your losing big u should be quiting seasions sooner if you have any tilt issues or u will just start spewing chips.
 
Ah i get it now, thanks, tilt used to be a big problem for me but that was when i was no-where near rolled for the games that i was playing, i was buying in for 2 or 300 euros, which is a lot of money for me and getting sucked out on for a fifth of your monthly take home...... well you get kinda angry lol

Also looking back i dont think i really played cash games all that well at the time either, i can't remember any exact hands but i know i've stacked off to trips with TPTK plenty of times in the past, for money i couldnt afford to lose, thank god for cardschat lol
 
sindri_93 said:
5wins
5loses

But in my long winning seasions im winning alot more then im losing in the long losing seasions.
3 of the lossing seasions are around -3-10BB while my long winning are around 20BB+ and one 355BB 😀(drunken CC 2NL where i managed to get a 70$+ stack).

****

I suck

5 wins
5 losses

thats overall but at 25NL

4 wins
6 losses

thats kinda weird and I kinda suck.
 
dsvw56 said:
Tilt control time. I want everyone to go in to their DB and look at their sessions. Order by total minutes played, then look at your 10 longest sessions. Are they mostly winning, or losing sessions? Post your results

8 Wins
2 Losses
0 Breakeven*


*+/- <0.25BB/100

4 wins, 6 losses - around -1.75 BB/100.

In each of the losing sessions, it looks like the session crashes and burns in the last few hands - guess it's not a good idea to sit at the computer for that long 😱 😱 😱 duh...
 
Jurn8 said:
Leak 1 = Playing a few too many pots OOP - Example hand is I have KJo in the BB and MP raises 4x. I flat and the flop comes 4A10 I call a cbet and turn is an x. This isnt going to be a massive pot but $4/5 are just chipping away at my profits. I should be 3betting this preflop or folding it its a mistake I need to work on.
I think the flop call is worse than the preflop call. If they steal a lot hands like KJ/KQ/AT are perfect hands to flat because then you can make a decent amount of money when for example your KJ is up against K8. The thing is though it's not going to be profitable to play directly for the value of hitting hands, you're going to have to make some moves like C/R some boards and imo this example is perfect, seeing as it's A-high AND you flopped a gutter. But just flatting out of the blinds with those types of hands aren't horrible imo. Obviously if their att. to steal is like 15% you don't want to do it but with the people that steal close to 40-50% or higher, you can definitely be flatting those types of hands.


Jurn8 said:
Leak 2 = Im calling behind too much, I dont know if this is a leak or not but say I have A10s in the HJ and UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls and then I am calling behind. I am calling with marginal hands like JQ,KJ,A10,J10 etc etc
This is obviously situation-dependent but I don't think this is a huge leak either.

Jurn8 said:
Leak 3 = Another leak which I know is bad and I dont do it often but I do it a few times a session is calling too many 3bets both preflop and postflop. Examples are calling 3bets when stealing with PP's like 33-99 which isnt giving me the odds to set mine. Also my cbets are getting 3bet when I say have TPTK and I keep calling and then calling value rivers bets of say $3-5 and this is just nibbling away at my profits when they show two pair,sets or they rivered their draws.
ok don't want to get too picky but when your bet gets raised postflop it's not a 3-bet, it's just a raise. If it goes bet, raise, raise, the second raise there is a 3-bet, since it's the third bet. Preflop the blinds are the first bet so the second raise is a 3-bet. You're definitely right preflop though. Pretty sure you should be folding to most 3-bets if you're oop and even ip you shouldn't be calling a ton of 3-bets (and especially not hands like 33-99).

Flop raises are very difficult to deal with when you have a hand like TPTK or an overpair, just because some people do it only for value with 2-pair+ and some do it as a bluff, with draws, and even some do it with like middle pair to "see where they're at". But against most straightforward opponents raises are very strong and especially when they continue on the turn/river they usually have the goods.

All just my opinion.
 
zachvac said:
I think the flop call is worse than the preflop call. If they steal a lot hands like KJ/KQ/AT are perfect hands to flat because then you can make a decent amount of money when for example your KJ is up against K8. The thing is though it's not going to be profitable to play directly for the value of hitting hands, you're going to have to make some moves like C/R some boards and imo this example is perfect, seeing as it's A-high AND you flopped a gutter. But just flatting out of the blinds with those types of hands aren't horrible imo. Obviously if their att. to steal is like 15% you don't want to do it but with the people that steal close to 40-50% or higher, you can definitely be flatting those types of hands.



This is obviously situation-dependent but I don't think this is a huge leak either.


ok don't want to get too picky but when your bet gets raised postflop it's not a 3-bet, it's just a raise. If it goes bet, raise, raise, the second raise there is a 3-bet, since it's the third bet. Preflop the blinds are the first bet so the second raise is a 3-bet. You're definitely right preflop though. Pretty sure you should be folding to most 3-bets if you're oop and even ip you shouldn't be calling a ton of 3-bets (and especially not hands like 33-99).

Flop raises are very difficult to deal with when you have a hand like TPTK or an overpair, just because some people do it only for value with 2-pair+ and some do it as a bluff, with draws, and even some do it with like middle pair to "see where they're at". But against most straightforward opponents raises are very strong and especially when they continue on the turn/river they usually have the goods.

All just my opinion.

Thanks for the feedback zach, so its my post flop game that I need to strengthen I feel.

How do you feel about playing SC's in the blinds?

Say 56s+, is this villian dependent whether we are flatting or raising?
 
Jurn8 said:
How do you feel about playing SC's in the blinds?

Say 56s+, is this villian dependent whether we are flatting or raising?
Flatting vs. late position raises with sc's in the blinds is burning money. I guess flatting them to an UTG raise from the blinds could be okay, but I rarely do it because playing draws/small pairs OOP sucks the cawk.

Like, this isn't rocket science. Suited connectors are good at the following: They flop draws (mostly). And there's two ways to play draws. You can semi-bluff with draws so that your bluff doesn't have to work as often. Or you can play them for implied odds if you think villain has a big hand, and try to make a giant hand & take their stack.

Now that you know this (obvious) fact, how do you think you should play SC's vs. players who raise with a wide range from late position? How do you think you should play them in position against an UTG raise?
 
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c9h13no3 said:
Flatting vs. late position raises with sc's in the blinds is burning money. I guess flatting them to an UTG raise from the blinds could be okay, but I rarely do it because playing draws/small pairs OOP sucks the cawk.

Like, this isn't rocket science. Suited connectors are good at the following: They flop draws (mostly). And there's two ways to play draws. You can semi-bluff with draws so that your bluff doesn't have to work as often. Or you can play them for implied odds if you think villain has a big hand, and try to make a giant hand & take their stack.

Now that you know this (obvious) fact, how do you think you should play SC's vs. players who raise with a wide range from late position? How do you think you should play them in position against an UTG raise?

Question! With an UTG raise, aren't we (if he's a decent player) putting him on a really good set of cards (QQ+, AK)? If this is true, should we really be flatting or raising here? Shouldn't we be folding due to the fact that our SC's are not going to hit the flop hard most of the time?
 
dg1267 said:
Question! With an UTG raise, aren't we (if he's a decent player) putting him on a really good set of cards (QQ+, AK)? If this is true, should we really be flatting or raising here? Shouldn't we be folding due to the fact that our SC's are not going to hit the flop hard most of the time?


Well due to the fact that his range is really strong and really obvious, it makes it that much easier to stack him when we do flop a hand. You're only investing like 3-3.5 BB's to win his whole stack so you don't need to make a big hand that often to make it profitable.
 
dsvw56 said:
Well due to the fact that his range is really strong and really obvious, it makes it that much easier to stack him when we do flop a hand. You're only investing like 3-3.5 BB's to win his whole stack so you don't need to make a big hand that often to make it profitable.

Okay, that makes more sense. And that's against a decent player. Is it the same against say a 70/40/5?
 
dg1267 said:
Okay, that makes more sense. And that's against a decent player. Is it the same against say a 70/40/5?

No, the wider their range is, the less effective it is playing a hand like SC's or small pairs strictly for value.
 
c9h13no3 said:
Flatting vs. late position raises with sc's in the blinds is burning money. I guess flatting them to an UTG raise from the blinds could be okay, but I rarely do it because playing draws/small pairs OOP sucks the cawk.

Like, this isn't rocket science. Suited connectors are good at the following: They flop draws (mostly). And there's two ways to play draws. You can semi-bluff with draws so that your bluff doesn't have to work as often. Or you can play them for implied odds if you think villain has a big hand, and try to make a giant hand & take their stack.

Now that you know this (obvious) fact, how do you think you should play SC's vs. players who raise with a wide range from late position? How do you think you should play them in position against an UTG raise?

Yeah this. Also note that it's really hard to extract value oop. If they're stealing a lot SCs are decent hands to 3-bet light with. They're also good hands to flat in position with because there are a lot of boards you can float (and still fire and take the pot down if you miss) and it's easier to extract value from big hands when you do hit.
 
I am now $5.60 away from moving up to 10nl thanks to the stars survey, got 300 fpp's added to the 123 i had in my account, played 2x210fpp sattelites and cashed in one of them so ive now got $244.40 in my account, hopefully by the end of tonight, fingers crossed, i will be a 10nl player 😀
 
orangepeeleo said:
I am now $5.60 away from moving up to 10nl thanks to the stars survey, got 300 fpp's added to the 123 i had in my account, played 2x210fpp sattelites and cashed in one of them so ive now got $244.40 in my account, hopefully by the end of tonight, fingers crossed, i will be a 10nl player 😀

engage doomswitch, imo...
 
BelgoSuisse said:
engage doomswitch, imo...

I was crossing my fingers EXTRA hard to try and avert the doomswitch, if i have a -10BI night i'm going to quit poker lol
 
So I was playing my morning session and I noticed something I'd like to point out to everyone here. Take a look at the pic below and notice how irrelevant small sample sizes are when looking at someones stats. Over similar number of hands, I'm playing anywhere from 9/9 to 31/28. Thought this was worth pointing out.
 

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Good point DSV IMO!

Also just had a nice little session +3 BIs over 1k hands. Poker gods have repayed me for working hard at my uni work IMO, back to the work now 🙁 !
 
So.... after being beaten by 2 runner runner's, having my aces cracked by 33 all in preflop in a 5bet pot! and losing a set over set, I thought i really had hit the doom switch when i said i could move up to tonight.

But the doomswitch didnt count on my awesomeness and i decided that if i had to play all night i was gonna get to $250 if it killed me. Cue THE most results orientated session i've ever played, with the cashier being checked after every big hand lol

Around the 500 hands mark my morale was quite low lol but i'm at $250.17 (see how often i was checking the cashier hehe) and taking a break because that was a stressful 2 1/2 hours lol

10nl tomorrow baby!!!

Thanks to everyone in this thread by the way for checking out the blog and giving some really good advice on my windy road through 5nl will update on saturday morning with a summary of my 5nl adventure.
 

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