**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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eNTy said:
Yes, ok belgo, but am i right about the other positions ?
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we will be getting to other things on this matter later. This is just the beginning.
 
eNTy said:
Yes, ok belgo, but am i right about the other positions ?
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yes and no.

the BTN is a MUCH better position than CO or HJ. More detailed positional stats for 100nl FR:

Position: VPIP/PFR , BB/100

SB: 19/13 , -11 BB/100
BB: 10/6 , -23 BB/100
EP: 8/7 , 6 BB/100
MID: 13/12 , 6.5 BB/100
CO: 19/17 , 18 BB/100
BTN: 31/28 , 33 BB/100

OVERALL: 15/13 , 5 BB/100
 
Richyl2008 said:
Yeah filter-edit then position is listed on the main filters page, is this what you mean
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That doesn't filter only UTG though, just does EP.
 
zachvac said:
Oh and 40.8/4.4 = 9.3 do I win?
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you're cheating: you play higher stakes, and the higher you play, the more positionally aware you need to be...
 
BelgoSuisse said:
you're cheating: you play higher stakes, and the higher you play, the more positionally aware you need to be...
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Not according to hold'em manager... good hands are still good hands UTG... Course, in that article they're comparing PFR from different positions, not VPIP. But you can actually overdo the position thing.
 

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6-max players should have smaller #'s than full ring players. When you're UTG playing full ring, having 8 players to act behind you is a lot scarier than having 5. Plus, playing full ring, your steals probably get more credit & you get more implied odds from EP raisers, so you may be able to play even looser on the button/CO.
 
So what's a good number to reach for? I know it depends, but really!
 
dg1267 said:
So what's a good number to reach for? I know it depends, but really!
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Something between 2 and 4 at 6-max is fairly standard.


Thanks for the input so far guys.
 
c9h13no3 said:
6-max players should have smaller #'s than full ring players. When you're UTG playing full ring, having 8 players to act behind you is a lot scarier than having 5. Plus, playing full ring, your steals probably get more credit & you get more implied odds from EP raisers, so you may be able to play even looser on the button/CO.
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And agree 100%, which is why Zach's is ridiculously high.
 
WVHillbilly said:
Quick answer is that right now you have to filter for that day and then see it in the General Tab or whatever. The next beta that's due within the next few days is supposed to have a details tab like PT2 did where you can just double-click a session (or a table) and get those stats.
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Thanks mate
 
dsvw56 said:
I don't know if this has been discussed before in this thread. If it has, I appologize. Let's talk a little bit about Pre-Flop Awareness. What I want everyone to do first is go in to their tracking software and sort your stats by Position. Then Divide your Button VPIP by your UTG VPIP. Post your results here, preferably quoting this message, so I know what the hell I'm looking at. Also include whether it is 6-max or FR. This thread has derailed a bit in the past week or so, time to get it back on track.
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FR, 20.7/9.2 = 2.25
 
c9h13no3 said:
6-max players should have smaller #'s than full ring players. When you're UTG playing full ring, having 8 players to act behind you is a lot scarier than having 5. Plus, playing full ring, your steals probably get more credit & you get more implied odds from EP raisers, so you may be able to play even looser on the button/CO.
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I'd also like to note on this topic, that the better your post flop play becomes, the higher your # should be as you should be isolating, stealing, and floating the button wider to put yourself in as many pots as possible in position against weaker players where you have an edge.


But seriously Zach, 9? Are the MSFR games that soft that you can go so insane on the button and no one cares?
 
dsvw56 said:
But seriously Zach, 9? Are the MSFR games that soft that you can go so insane on the button and no one cares?
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Not only can I but it's amazing, because people try to make so many adjustments that don't work 🙂. I've got a 90% att. to steal on the month from the button.
 
zachvac said:
Not only can I but it's amazing, because people try to make so many adjustments that don't work 🙂. I've got a 90% att. to steal on the month from the button.
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We bow to your greatness!!!😛arty:

90 FREAKIN' %???? WOW!
 
dg1267 said:
We bow to your greatness!!!😛arty:

90 FREAKIN' %???? WOW!
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Seriously, this. That's pretty sweet. What do you mean they make adjustments that don't work by the way zach? They start 3 betting lighter, so you just 4 bet? Or the BB calls a lot but then just gives up on the flop?
 
GeoffLacey said:
Seriously, this. That's pretty sweet. What do you mean they make adjustments that don't work by the way zach? They start 3 betting lighter, so you just 4 bet? Or the BB calls a lot but then just gives up on the flop?
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Both. Another thing is some try to make crazy moves postflop without thinking and that's probably the biggest mistake. Ranges just get pretty wide and people are trying to play oop too much. Hard to explain, considering doing a video though soon and I can show you how it works 🙂.
 
zachvac said:
Both. Another thing is some try to make crazy moves postflop without thinking and that's probably the biggest mistake. Ranges just get pretty wide and people are trying to play oop too much. Hard to explain, considering doing a video though soon and I can show you how it works 🙂.
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[ ] knows what he is talking about
[x] pretends he knows what he is talking about

lol jk, I just been using checkboxes all day and it had to be done. I <3 Zachvac
 
dsvw56 said:
I don't know if this has been discussed before in this thread. If it has, I appologize. Let's talk a little bit about Pre-Flop Awareness. What I want everyone to do first is go in to their tracking software and sort your stats by Position. Then Divide your Button VPIP by your UTG VPIP. Post your results here, preferably quoting this message, so I know what the hell I'm looking at. Also include whether it is 6-max or FR. This thread has derailed a bit in the past week or so, time to get it back on track.



FWIW, mine is 2.9, 29.5 / 10.2 @ 6-max

You don't have to post your VPIPs if you don't want, just the result.
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Mine is 28.10 / 12.41 = 2.26, thats a FR as well lol, me thinks i'm not as tight as i could be lol, only over 5600 hands though so small sample size really.
 
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dsvw56 said:
I don't know if this has been discussed before in this thread. If it has, I appologize. Let's talk a little bit about Pre-Flop Awareness. What I want everyone to do first is go in to their tracking software and sort your stats by Position. Then Divide your Button VPIP by your UTG VPIP. Post your results here, preferably quoting this message, so I know what the hell I'm looking at. Also include whether it is 6-max or FR. This thread has derailed a bit in the past week or so, time to get it back on track.



FWIW, mine is 2.9, 29.5 / 10.2 @ 6-max

You don't have to post your VPIPs if you don't want, just the result.
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23/7.2 = 3.194 @ FR

What does this mean ??

Also FR players whats your aggro factor on the button and cutoff, me thinks I am not being aggro enough.

Mine are BTN = 1.83 and CO = 1.72
 
zachvac said:
Both. Another thing is some try to make crazy moves postflop without thinking and that's probably the biggest mistake. Ranges just get pretty wide and people are trying to play oop too much. Hard to explain, considering doing a video though soon and I can show you how it works 🙂.
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This would be great! I needs more videos!!!!😀

So, can you have this by, say... noon today????😉
 
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