Should You C-Bet? (Day 8 Course Discussion)

samsonand · Sep 29, 2020

It's okay but in the end if I risk my stack and with that I could go back at the table and in my position it is really a risk

Claudiunm · Sep 29, 2020

I don't think it's that simple to decide whether or not to C-Bet. Especially in online poker. You have many variants to watch before deciding: What is the type of game, how is your stack. What kind of behavior the other players at the table are having. How is the stack against whom you are going to play in that hand?
Poker changed when it went online.

Katie Dozier · Sep 29, 2020

BigDice75 said:
After several days without seeing the course and with a brief review, I reached day 8 and these were my answers to the quiz, which I missed on day 7
In the first spot, with A3s, I would check because the flop is very coordinated, with flush and straight draws that decrease our fold equity, and we have an ace high with a certain showdown value.
On the second spot, with 98o, I would cbet because it should be our default game and the flop is relatively dry, with few draws and we have a gutshot.
After listening to the responses I see that in the first spot I overlooked the fact that I was facing 3 opponents.

See you on day 9!

Great progress on the course, way to go!

Freepokerfree · Oct 1, 2020

Hi all!

Good lesson, good video in general and also examples of when to continue betting and when not to continue betting. :ciao:

Thanks for the material, regards :knuddel:

Good Man · Oct 1, 2020

Understanding the difference between different bid goals is very simple. The whole difficulty lies in the fact to be able to correctly distinguish bet as a bluff and betting for value. I think it will become much easier with experience, so the sooner I practice, the better.
I am glad that I correctly answered the questions asked in this lesson, so my previous lessons are not in vain. See you in the next lesson. Good luck!!

Life is a game , play beautiful

Katie Dozier · Oct 1, 2020

Freepokerfree said:
Good lesson, good video in general and also examples of when to continue betting and when not to continue betting. :ciao:

Thanks for the material, regards :knuddel:

Great, glad to hear this!

Katie Dozier · Oct 1, 2020

Good Man said:
Understanding the difference between different bid goals is very simple. The whole difficulty lies in the fact to be able to correctly distinguish bet as a bluff and betting for value. I think it will become much easier with experience, so the sooner I practice, the better.
I am glad that I correctly answered the questions asked in this lesson, so my previous lessons are not in vain. See you in the next lesson. Good luck!!

Life is a game , play beautiful

Great job answering the quiz questions correctly! Sounds like you’re progressing through the course very nicely [emoji106]

Phyrrura · Oct 5, 2020

Natural born c-better

Wow, amazing class, I'm actually used to this concept, but they give some really nice examples and commentaries. And, beside that, I liked it very much the tip for not having some kind of "square" game, you just play each hand by it's context, and not by some rules you "learned" going down this road.

Katie Dozier · Oct 6, 2020

Phyrrura said:
Wow, amazing class, I'm actually used to this concept, but they give some really nice examples and commentaries. And, beside that, I liked it very much the tip for not having some kind of "square" game, you just play each hand by it's context, and not by some rules you "learned" going down this road.

That’s really great to hear, we appreciate it—thank you Phyrrura!

Phyrrura · Nov 4, 2020

Here and back again

I had pass trough this, but it's so good of a class that I feel the need to come back and check again... Amazing course Kolie and Katie, thansk a lot!

ringworm · Nov 4, 2020

According to my PokerTracker analysis, I C-Bet too often, so obviously I would say yes.

- Always C-Bet in position with one (or maybe two) opponents.
- Never C-Bet out of position with more than one opponent.
- Sometime C-Bet out of position with only one opponent.

Katie Dozier · Nov 5, 2020

Phyrrura said:
I had pass trough this, but it's so good of a class that I feel the need to come back and check again... Amazing course Kolie and Katie, thansk a lot!

Thanks very much, we’re glad to hear it!

Collin Moshman · Nov 7, 2020

ringworm said:
According to my PokerTracker analysis, I C-Bet too often, so obviously I would say yes.

- Always C-Bet in position with one (or maybe two) opponents.
- Never C-Bet out of position with more than one opponent.
- Sometime C-Bet out of position with only one opponent.

While the "always" and "never" are too strong, I think what you write here is a nice guideline that works a lot of the time!

antonis32123 · Nov 25, 2020

I try to cbet , with one opponet and on dry board with K or A it's easier , ofcourse it depends on the villain , if there 're more villains I will not c-bet without sth to be able to catch on later streets , especially oop , if it's a family pot with 6 or 7 players like in CC freerolls , lol , then mission failed and return to HQ , lol . I have to learn a lot more , so I will improve to even more dificult circumstances of c-beting , with or without bluffing or semi-bluffing (I guess

) . Good luck everyone .

Houkspoker · Nov 25, 2020

I would c bet

Cinhos_2000 · Nov 26, 2020

I c-bet quite often.
-If my hand is really hard to improve, but the flop hits my range
-If I have top pair decent kicker
When I hit the nuts or close to it I mix between check and c-bet, if I have a good draw the same think. All in all I definetly c-bet more than checking.

Cinhos_2000 · Nov 26, 2020

ringworm said:
According to my PokerTracker analysis, I C-Bet too often, so obviously I would say yes.

- Always C-Bet in position with one (or maybe two) opponents.
- Never C-Bet out of position with more than one opponent.
- Sometime C-Bet out of position with only one opponent.

If you're playing zoom poker and won't face the same opponents often you can consider that, otherwise you get to predictable and will face a lot of reraises, people will slowplay their good hands with you and let you bluff and may reraise even worse hands than yours because they know you're c'betting with any 2 cards.

Collin Moshman · Nov 28, 2020

Cinhos_2000 said:
If you're playing zoom poker and won't face the same opponents often you can consider that, otherwise you get to predictable and will face a lot of reraises, people will slowplay their good hands with you and let you bluff and may reraise even worse hands than yours because they know you're c'betting with any 2 cards.

This is a very good point. A lot of static strategies work well in a vacuum but allow observant opponents to play well against you. So you can use them in large player pools or formats like lower-stakes Zoom, but not as much against tough opposition.

Pichman189 · Dec 5, 2020

Collin Moshman said:
This is a very good point. A lot of static strategies work well in a vacuum but allow observant opponents to play well against you. So you can use them in large player pools or formats like lower-stakes Zoom, but not as much against tough opposition.

Day 8 completed.
I see only 3 categories when we shouldn't play contbet. Whats about type of opponents?
If we play vs maniaks and they play very aggresively with each cards should we cbet?

P1R35 · Dec 23, 2020

Hey Collin,
What's your thoughts on cbet sizings? How you approach it ? You use this basic approach : big on wet board, small on dry flop guideline ?

Collin Moshman · Dec 23, 2020

Pichman189 said:
Day 8 completed.
I see only 3 categories when we shouldn't play contbet. Whats about type of opponents?
If we play vs maniaks and they play very aggresively with each cards should we cbet?

Good question.

Against maniacs, you should c-bet less often. If you miss, be more inclined to give up unless the flop is dry and they sometimes fold. If you connect and your hand isn't vulnerable, then be more inclined to check to them if you're out of position.

Collin Moshman · Dec 23, 2020

P1R35 said:
Hey Collin,
What's your thoughts on cbet sizings? How you approach it ? You use this basic approach : big on wet board, small on dry flop guideline ?

Yup! There are absolutely good times to change this rule. But as a default guideline:

** Around 1/2 pot c-bet size is good starting point

** Smaller on dry flops

** Bigger on coordinated flops

P1R35 · Dec 23, 2020

Any difference if we are In position vs Out of position ?

Collin Moshman · Dec 26, 2020

P1R35 said:
Any difference if we are In position vs Out of position ?

Good question, there can definitely be differences depending on the specific spot. For example, suppose we have a marginal draw vs an aggressive player. We're probably more inclined to check back with position because we're guaranteed a free card, whereas OOP we bet because we don't want to give him the opportunity to take control of the pot.

P1R35 · Dec 27, 2020

I was thinking that being OOP indicated that we will Cbet with different sizings compared to IP.

Like if we Cbet more polarized OOP our sizing should be bigger in general (even in dry texture).

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