What do you think about donk betting?

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True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
 
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You can use a donk bet, but it will depend on several things.
It depends on who the player is who made the open raise, from what position they opened, and also what their hand is and what flop was hit.
 
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Both. A lot of recreational play donk bet way too often, however a lot of decent regs don't do it when they should, perhaps out of fear of being called a rec.

It's worth saying that only in the last few years has it become recognised as correct to donk in some scenarios. Older players, or those not keen on studying with solvers/GTO aren't aware of this shift in strategy.
 
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Matt_Burns88 said:
Both. A lot of recreational play donk bet way too often
Not only to often, but also in situations, where they are definitely not supposed to have a donking range, because the board favour the preflop raiser. When someone donks out on a dry A high board, this is still a sure sign of a recreational player AKA fish.
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however a lot of decent regs don't do it when they should
Have to admit, that I am also "guilty" of this. Its just so easy to default click the "check" botton and not even look for spots, where it would make sense to have a donking range. It should be said though, that a lot of players dont check back "bad" boards as often, as they should, and then we can attack them with check-raises instead.
 
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qb93 said:
True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
If I see a player that is donk betting I pay attention to the board to see if the donk bet fits there. Maybe that can give me some information.
Personally I like to donk bet the turn more than the flop.
 
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qb93 said:
True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
There is definitely a reason, why it got its name. "Donk" is slang for a bad poker player, and bad players love to lead in situations, where they should definitely check. This hand from a $6.6 8-man SnG on ACR Poker is a good example. The limp and then call preflop from UTG with his hand is already atrocious.

And leading on the flop with a marginal made hand into two opponents is not only a bad strategy in itself, but he also used a sizing, where he will typically get all worse hands to fold and only better hands to call. So despite his screenname, I think, there are room for some improvements, and it was in fact a pretty "donky" play.

 
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Donk betting often gets a bad reputation, but like any poker strategy, it has its place. When used in the right spots, it can put opponents in tough situations and deny them the chance to make an automatic continuation bet.
The key is having a reason for doing it not just betting because you're unsure what to do.
A well-timed donk bet can be a powerful weapon. A random one can be an expensive mistake.
 
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fundiver199 said:
Have to admit, that I am also "guilty" of this. Its just so easy to default click the "check" botton and not even look for spots, where it would make sense to have a donking range. It should be said though, that a lot of players dont check back "bad" boards as often, as they should, and then we can attack them with check-raises instead.
To be honest, I don't think it's a HUGE leak if you never donk. In terms of lost EV, it's certainly a much smaller leak than donking too much.
 
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Matt_Burns88 said:
To be honest, I don't think it's a HUGE leak if you never donk. In terms of lost EV, it's certainly a much smaller leak than donking too much.
Yeah thats the way, I see it as well. Just default checking from the blinds - especially with short tournament stacks - is certainly less of a leak than playing like in the hand, I shared in this thread. Should perhaps add, that when very short like 10BB or less, I often run the good old "stop-and-go", which is a special type of donk bet :)
 
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qb93 said:
True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
with 3 or more players if you donk you have always 1 guy that callsyou off till river all in , so it can be usefull sometime
 
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Since I mainly play spin&gos, I often donkbet in 3-player games. I always take into account my opinion of the player so far, the board and my hands of course, to continue.
I think better players use it more often and with better results.
 
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qb93 said:
True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
I'd say false. A lot of recreational players do donk bet, which is why it gets a bad reputation, but that doesn't mean it's always a bad play. In the right situations, a donk bet can be a very effective strategy.
For example, on boards that favor the caller's range more than the preflop raiser's range, leading can put pressure on the opponent and deny equity. The key is understanding why you're betting, not just clicking buttons.
So I don't see donk betting as a sign of a weak player. Used correctly, it's an underutilized weapon that many players don't defend against very well.
 
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qb93 said:
True or false: Donk betting on the flop is a sign of a recreational player, or is it a criminally underutilized strategic weapon? 🥊
False. While many recreational players do donk bet, it can also be a very effective strategy in the right spots. Like most poker plays, it’s more about the situation than the action itself
 
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I play at micro-limits, and 90% of the time this bet is simply a sign of lack of professionalism, but it is very rare for an experienced bettor to make such a mistake. This is rare both in freerolls and at micro-limits.
 
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False. I think donk betting gets a bad reputation because many recreational players do it with no real plan, but that doesn't mean the play itself is bad.

Like most poker actions, it depends on the situation. On certain board textures, especially when the caller has a range advantage or a lot of strong draws, a donk bet can be a very effective strategy.

The problem isn't donk betting—it's donk betting every flop regardless of position, ranges, or board texture. When used selectively, it's a legitimate weapon. When used automatically, it's usually a leak.

So for me, donk betting isn't a sign of a recreational player. How and when it's used is what matters.
 
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Someone might object: “But we can donk bet with trash, thereby confusing our opponent!” Yes, but this will not last long, because our opponent will quickly figure out exactly what we are doing.
 
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Nameless14 said:
So for me, donk betting isn't a sign of a recreational player. How and when it's used is what matters.
This is true, but the vast majority of donk bets in online poker are done by recreational players in situations, where the best strategy would have been to check. So without any other information, it is still a bit of a fish tell. If a strong regular donks into me, and my HUD show, they have only been donk betting like 5% of the time, then I will lean a lot towards just letting them win this one, unless I have a really strong hand. But if its a random fish or unknown, then I will get much more sticky and either float or raise a lot.
 
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A few years ago it was considered a fish move, especially when they make mini donk bet, but if that move is made by a famous player, then it's a strategy move 🤣 I've seen bencb789 make that move, and I've also seen him do mini 3bet, but who can criticize Bencb 789? 🤣
 
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