Could you lay down aces in this hypothetical situation?

Irexes · Jan 14, 2007

Just as a random addition.

In terms of chip EV I understand that the greatest value all in with AA is with 8 callers! I find it unlikely that this situation is likely to happen to an individual sufficient times in the wsop main event to make this factoid of any practical use.

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 14, 2007

bubbasbestbabe said:
And the hands that you describe are what the calls are on. AA,KK,QQ, AK,AQ,AJ,1010, and say a 57 suited. And you know what wins 9 out of 10 times? The 57 because it has more cards that it can catch for a winning hand. I know people here are going to say that it is bullshit about this but start playing those type of games and you will see what I am talking about.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.016% 30.71% 00.31% 154143 1539.48 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 09.477% 09.44% 00.04% 47391 177.14 { KdKs }
Hand 2: 08.822% 08.57% 00.25% 43012 1269.14 { QhQs }
Hand 3: 07.266% 06.96% 00.31% 34930 1539.48 { AhKh }
Hand 4: 01.977% 01.45% 00.52% 7293 2631.48 { AsQd }
Hand 5: 17.965% 17.93% 00.04% 89999 177.14 { TdTh }
Hand 6: 23.477% 23.44% 00.04% 117663 177.14 { 7c5c }

Ronaldadio · Jan 14, 2007

Hi DM

You got some kind of software for that?

Also, I responded to a post about CC tourny on Pstars. You said u posted some commentary. Where can I find it???

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 14, 2007

Pokerstove, but the site seems to be down right now.

Donkament vid.

mbutler007 · Jan 14, 2007

I'd probably call. If things didnt go my way at least I'd have the great story of 10 players going all in on the first hand when I had AA. That would be a tough call though..

Four Dogs · Jan 14, 2007

Great pod odds. I call and sleep-in 'till the final table.

Ghoundai · Jan 16, 2007

You fold. Someone is a big stack. The table is then broken. And you still are healthy in chips (WSOP starts at 25-50 blinds with 10k chips this is 200 big blinds and PLENTY to do damage later). You still have the same odds of getting AA (221-1) next hand. Just fold and don't go in a 75% favorite to lose. If it's a rebuy WSOP event

time to get out the cash.

F Paulsson · Jan 16, 2007

Ghoundai said:
Just fold and don't go in a 75% favorite to lose.

Where do you get the 75% from?

Four Dogs · Jan 16, 2007

Up against top ten hands the ace is 33% to win. BUT, if your AA is shared, which it probably is, that drops to 23%. AND the favorite becomes low suited connectors at about 32%.
PokerStove.

F Paulsson · Jan 16, 2007

Then the more interesting question becomes:

Everything the OP said, with one exception: Substitute AA for 8-7s. Do you make the call?

stormswa · Jan 16, 2007

only time

only time im ever folding aces preflop is in a satty to a big event, hell I will even bubble with them because you want a big stack going to final table and id be fine with bubbling with AA.

if it was a satty and say 4 people went all in if it was alot for me to call I would fold knowing someone will go out and I will get the seat. Other then that I dont care how many people call the all in im calling!!!! think about it if you win holding the best hand preflop you start with 70k to everyone elses 10k.

withawedge · Jan 16, 2007

Joose,

The crux of your question is could any of us pull the trigger. I would say yes for 3 reasons.

1) Top pre-flop hand you can get. Everyone is an underdog to you
2) What a great start when after 2 mins you are sitting there with with a Jamie Gold like stack after 1 hand
3) The adrenalin rush you would get as the cards were turned over

If you do lose then so be it. At least you went with the best hand

mrsnake3695 · Jan 16, 2007

What if you were to change it up a little. Lets say played the best poker of your life, you won every race, didn't get any bad beats and made it to the final table.

At the table is Phil Ivey, Phil Helmuth, Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, Daniel Nagranue (sp), Chip Reese, Chris Ferguson, Joe Hachem and you. First hand, you are on the button and everybody goes all in in front of you for some strange reason. Do you call here with aces or 7-8 suited anr any other 2 cards you can think of?

withawedge · Jan 16, 2007

AI with the Aces.

Anything else no. Let them kill each other and make me rich

Final Table first hand is the same as First Table first hand if you have pocket A's.

Get the Chips in and hope that you have them all covered so you can get your bracelet.

Dorkus Malorkus · Jan 16, 2007

mrsnake3695 said:
What if you were to change it up a little. Lets say played the best poker of your life, you won every race, didn't get any bad beats and made it to the final table.

At the table is Phil Ivey, Phil Helmuth, Doyle Brunson, Johnny Chan, Daniel Nagranue (sp), Chip Reese, Chris Ferguson, Joe Hachem and you. First hand, you are on the button and everybody goes all in in front of you for some strange reason. Do you call here with aces or 7-8 suited anr any other 2 cards you can think of?

depends on stack sizes.

if i have 1 chip and everyone else has like 10 million of course i'm gonna fold anything and happily take 2nd.

Four Dogs · Jan 16, 2007

F Paulsson said:
Then the more interesting question becomes:

Everything the OP said, with one exception: Substitute AA for 8-7s. Do you make the call?

lol. That is more interesting. It would sure take stones and if you lost you'd never hear the end of it. The DONK who called all-in with 87s. But, sticks and stones...

carlito523 · Jan 16, 2007

Of course i would call, the all-ins before me would prolly not make me feel super good, but what can u do, the upside potential is too great not to get it in with the best of it preflop, and It was Kate Hudson's brother, i believe his name is Oliver Hudson or something.

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