Yea ,I trust online poker just don't know what calls are going to be made. I had some friends tell me there are bots for the poker sites. I just play it cause I love poker. Sometimes you win , I won a tournament last time 2 years ago. Took a break and man there are a lot of crazy calls mow a days.
It was explained to me that the average online player plays many, many more hands than the average live player during a session, especially if they are multi-tabling. So you will see odd occurrences like this much more often.
I will admit, when it happens to me, it feels like a personal joke is being played on me. I used to be bad with the "what if's" but I simply shake it off and tell myself that everyone at some point goes through this.
I will admit, when it happens to me, it feels like a personal joke is being played on me. I used to be bad with the "what if's" but I simply shake it off and tell myself that everyone at some point goes through this.
danoscar said:
I have noticed this too. Sometimes the cards will go cold for me during a tournament and my stack dwindles and I'm one of the lowest players at the table. But then I finally hit the AA or KK and I hope that I'll be able to double up. However, the big stack calls me with some worthless hand like 2-7 unsuited and 90-95% of the time the big stack wins and I'm out. I have noticed this same pattern between other low stacks vs big stacks.
Someone who does programming once said that it is impossible to program randomness. So essentially there has to be patterns or something programmed in that would make the game a bit unfair. Like it's choosing the winners and losers. I don't know if this is true, but I suspect it is.
Overall, I don't trust online poker especially with the presence of bots. I just use a little money to play for fun. So I don't worry about it.
jfofla said:
I look at it this way - it's purely entertainment online. The reason for me is, I will never deposit a large sum of money to play online. There are too many opportunities for failure. 1) Human error whether poor implementation of the App or bad maintenance and planning for increased demand
2) out right corruption
3) Whatever sw engine or algorithm chosen to determine a random shuffle of cards can be seen suspect to manipulation. Whether true or not
4) even if you get past 1 and 2, are you comfortable putting serious money on the line, you are in a tourney you paid a hefty buyin fee for and you get disconnected because your ISP has an issue.
I am just trying to demonstrate other points of failure that you have little control over.
Having said all that though I believe someone has to win and someone has to lose and I find it difficult to believe the software is so advanced that it targets individual players. just my opinion
jfofla said:
There are plenty of scenarios where this looks like its just as you described, however personally I tend to think that online we are prone to play more loosely and windup in situations we wouldn't run into on a live table.
ex. player a joined a mtt microstakes but he isn't realy planning on playing the whole game because he has a date in 40 minutes but he is board and wants to work on his game and try some strategy that is counter to his normal play.
just my current perspective
Good luck whatever your decision
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I see the same type of suckouts in live poker as well as online. So I tend to believe that online rngs are in fact random although when you're running bad it really seems like it's not random. Good bankroll management can help mitigate for some of the variance you will experience in a given game.
Reading through this thread since the last time I posted in it, people have made variants of the following statements about online MTT play:
1) The chip leader always wins no matter what he has.
2) The short stack always sucks out and doubles up.
3) Big pairs are always busted by crap hands.
Really?? ALWAYS??
I think in online poker, especially in freerolls and smaller stake tourneys, we have to accept some facts:
1) Online MTT's are much faster than live and there is much more blind pressure to build up stacks, so people play many more hands more aggressively.
2) Many players just suck and will play anything.
3) Online is different than playing live. People take their decisions much less seriously and tend to play much more loose and aggressive. They're not sitting at an actual table with actual people, with actual chips/money in front of them. Even though its real money at stake, some people just don't think about that way and are much more prone to blast away.
4) And in poker in general, sometimes we just can't fold big hands when we know we're beat, and sometimes, even when we play a hand correctly we still lose. Its just part of the game.
For example, this morning, I busted out of the TDD Sunday Remedy Freebuy on ACR. I had AA and villain had 45s. Stacks were about even (50bb each). I raised preflop. He called. Flop came K55 (perfect flop to mask his 5). I C-Bet, he called. I thought he must have a Kx or a smaller pair. He could have a 5 but with two 5's out, odds not likely. So, I bet the turn, he called. I was all-in on the river, he called, I lost.
If I wanted to make the money (only top 10 paid with about 350 runners left) I had to keep building my stack.
Was I wrong to play my AA aggressively on that board? Maybe yes maybe no.
Do I suck at poker and need improvement? Probably.
Was I pissed about it? YES.
Was it rigged against me? NO.
He still had a 20% chance against my AA preflop. That's just the way it is.
1) The chip leader always wins no matter what he has.
2) The short stack always sucks out and doubles up.
3) Big pairs are always busted by crap hands.
Really?? ALWAYS??
I think in online poker, especially in freerolls and smaller stake tourneys, we have to accept some facts:
1) Online MTT's are much faster than live and there is much more blind pressure to build up stacks, so people play many more hands more aggressively.
2) Many players just suck and will play anything.
3) Online is different than playing live. People take their decisions much less seriously and tend to play much more loose and aggressive. They're not sitting at an actual table with actual people, with actual chips/money in front of them. Even though its real money at stake, some people just don't think about that way and are much more prone to blast away.
4) And in poker in general, sometimes we just can't fold big hands when we know we're beat, and sometimes, even when we play a hand correctly we still lose. Its just part of the game.
For example, this morning, I busted out of the TDD Sunday Remedy Freebuy on ACR. I had AA and villain had 45s. Stacks were about even (50bb each). I raised preflop. He called. Flop came K55 (perfect flop to mask his 5). I C-Bet, he called. I thought he must have a Kx or a smaller pair. He could have a 5 but with two 5's out, odds not likely. So, I bet the turn, he called. I was all-in on the river, he called, I lost.
If I wanted to make the money (only top 10 paid with about 350 runners left) I had to keep building my stack.
Was I wrong to play my AA aggressively on that board? Maybe yes maybe no.
Do I suck at poker and need improvement? Probably.
Was I pissed about it? YES.
Was it rigged against me? NO.
He still had a 20% chance against my AA preflop. That's just the way it is.
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I do trust Pokerstars and especially after the events of black Friday with full tilt, i think online poker is under the utmost scrutiny now, The systems have to be inspected, reports and observations completed, tests are so stringent. I often hear queries about the random number generator..Lee Jones did a good feature earlier this year about the level of integrity of pokerstars and world leading technology in server development and security.
I feel safe..so lets shuffle up and play some cards!
Regards
pirateglenn
I feel safe..so lets shuffle up and play some cards!
Regards
pirateglenn
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jfofla said:
So the opponent with 7/8 must have some nefarious connections with the online poker software engineers, otherwise how would you explain the situation, other then variance? And since you are an active member of CC, I assume you are playing small stakes tables and small buy-in tournaments, so think of one reason a person with such a power in his hands would play for little money and not for the highest stakes possible. I can't think of any reason myself.
I don't see why not -- if rigging is an issue, basically you're dealing with similar risks when playing live poker so it's more of a matter of how prepared you are to handle these risks, online or otherwise. Of course a healthy dose of skepticism won't hurt either.
I have to admit that I don't totally trust online gaming. But I don't totally trust any gaming when it is against a machine and not against live people. But online does pass the time with a very minimal investment. Those player that put a large bankroll in chance online are fools. Not saying that the site don't pay off just saying it is stupid to play big money against a machine.