Does luck really exist ?

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Does luck really exist when playing online poker, or do the sites profile and segment players however they want?
 
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Luck definitely exists in poker, especially over a small number of hands.
But over the long run, good decisions and discipline matter much more than luck.
You can’t control the cards, only how you play them. 🎯
 
Luck exists, especially in the short term; in the long term, skill and game management are more important. As for whether platforms create player profiles, they can use data for segmentation and marketing, but that doesn't mean they manipulate the cards. Without sufficient evidence or statistical data, a bad streak can simply be a matter of chance.
 
Luck in poker refers to variance. Variance is always present no matter online or live. There are some great variance charts you can find online to get an idea of how long the long term can actually be.

Mtt sims show that 6k MTT is not long enough to overcome variances for all players for instance.

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StatementAssessment
Luck/variance existsYes, unquestionably
Online poker produces more extreme situationsYes
Platforms profile their playersYes, it is entirely plausible and, in some respects, evident
Poker rooms have incentives to look after recreational playersYes
Bots/RTA/collusion/ghosting existYes, this is documented
A poker room can technically manipulate the RNGYes
It has been proven that major poker rooms deliberately manipulate the cards based on each individual playerNo
Players' accusations constitute proofNo
It can be investigated statisticallyYes, and this would be far more convincing than analyzing individual bad beats
 
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Yes. I had the worst sequence of my life lately being dealt more 2s than ever. So I suppose the opposite will happen one day.
 
I think luck plays a part in poker too, but you can't dismiss skill and study; that's what will make you a good player.
 
Luck may exist on an individual and short term basis. Variance can be particularly disgusting on line. 😂 However, I would have to disagree that it is a product of sites profiling individuals based on personal poker style in order to dictate winners and losers, unless you have a source as to why this may be true.
In the long run, your personal skill and strategy will eventually outweigh variance, unless you are talking about a very large sample size in which case you aren't really playing poker anymore, you're just pushing chips around. ♠️
 
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Luck definitely exists,, variance can be huge in online poker.
I’d be very cautious about blaming sites without evidence.
Over a large sample, good decisions and solid strategy matter much more than short-term results.
 
elrucon said:
Does luck really exist when playing online poker, or do the sites profile and segment players however they want?
It definitely seems like its pre determined sometimes; you can call out a winner early. Everything they do
just works out; get it in bad, no problem. But the thing is, you see that in live games too, and they have no RNG
or control, well, unless you are Mike Postle, but look at any wsop winners' footage and see they got lucky over and over and over.
Nothing surprises me about online poker, but I have to believe it's legit.
 
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Yeah, luck definitely exists in poker, especially in the short term. You can play well and still lose. But over the long run, skill matters much more. You just have to focus on making the right decisions.
 
nah it’s just variance man. people get hit with a bad downswing and instantly think the RNG is rigged or the site is targeting them. when you play thousands of hands online, you're just gonna see way more crazy beats than you ever would live.
 
Luck in poker is real, but its role is limited in time. Your job as a player is to stop making excuses for bad luck and stop overestimating your skills because of luck. Record your decisions, not your results. If you played poorly but won, don't rejoice; instead, analyze your mistakes. If you played correctly but lost the pot, accept it as part of the process and move on. In the long run, skill always outweighs luck.
 
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elrucon said:
Does luck really exist when playing online poker, or do the sites profile and segment players however they want?
Luck exists, but the bitch is as fickle as a woman! 😀
 
It really does happen. I’ve managed to win plenty of pre-flop all-ins with random cards that beat pocket Aces, just as I’ve also suffered losses with those same kinds of hands. I believe luck plays a part in 10% of the game; 90% is skill.
 
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No such thing as luck objectively. The way a stack of cards falls is random. We assign an attribute on it because we desire a particular outcome.
 
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“Luck definitely exists in the short run, but over a large sample skill should have a much bigger impact. That’s probably what makes poker so interesting.”
 
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A sorte certamente existe. Luck certainly plays a part, but nobody is immune to the variance of the game; however, if you have skill, this can be reduced in the long run.
 
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