number of buy ins

Pascal Martin · Apr 17, 2024

HI,

in the today's online poker world how many buy-ins do you like to have for a any nl limite you play, between the recommended 30 and 100 ?

fundiver199 · Apr 18, 2024

That depends on, which game you are talking about, and the whole situation. Tournaments have more variance than cash games, and large field MTTs have much more variance than single table SnGs. It also depends on, what the purpose of the bankroll is? Are you for instance willing to move down, if you hit a rough path, or it is important for you to be able to stay at the limit, you have reached, without a significant risk of going broke?

If you are trying to grow a small bankroll, it often makes sense to be quite aggressive, since the worst, that can happen, is, that an attempt to move up fail, and you have to move back down again. But if you have already reached the level, where you want to be, and perhaps you make regular withdrawals, then moving down kind of sucks, so you should be more conservative with your bankroll.

It also matter, if you always play the same limit, or if you mix up limits. In the latter case your average buyin is more important than the highest buyin, at least if they are somewhat close to each other. Like if you play $2,2 - $5,5 games with an average of $3,5, then your variance will not be much larger than, if all your games were for $3,5.

Finally many people use the word "bankroll", but they play in a recreational way, where its more reasonable to talk about a budget. So it also matter, if you just want to be able to play until the next paycheck, or if this is really the money, you have set aside for poker, and if you lose it, you will need to stop playing.

dreamer13 · Apr 18, 2024

Daniel Negreanu said that for super high rollers there is no difference between buy-ins of $50,000 and $100,000. What he meant was that anyone who could pay themselves or find backers for $50,000 could easily find $100,000.I think we need to reduce buy-ins in order to attract new players and retain current ones; if not, then the pro and rich players will remain. But this is how the industry will collapse... It’s not for nothing that PokerStars launched spins at $0.25.

CataRouillet · Apr 18, 2024

I am an mtt player but I think what they recommend for cash is around 100.

Gallarado777 · Apr 18, 2024

the more money you have to play again at the same rates, the better, of course, everyone says that the bine must be 100 times so that you don't worry about losing when you lose with your AA pair against a weak pair, so you won't worry because this will happen because you need to have a win of 100 times

sidmartin7 · Apr 18, 2024

Gallarado777 said:
the more money you have to play again at the same rates, the better, of course, everyone says that the bine must be 100 times so that you don't worry about losing when you lose with your AA pair against a weak pair, so you won't worry because this will happen because you need to have a win of 100 times

if you are not patient and want to grind at least 50 nl, to do so would you say that this is crazy to use a credit line and pay the monthly fees with your winning to fund the missing money in your roll, @fundiver199 @Gallarado777

Poker Orifice · Apr 18, 2024

dreamer13 said:
Daniel Negreanu said that for super high rollers there is no difference between buy-ins of $50,000 and $100,000. What he meant was that anyone who could pay themselves or find backers for $50,000 could easily find $100,000.I think we need to reduce buy-ins in order to attract new players and retain current ones; if not, then the pro and rich players will remain. But this is how the industry will collapse... It’s not for nothing that PokerStars launched spins at $0.25.

I believe you've misinterpreted the original poster's question.
When they say 'number of buyins' they are meaning 'how many buy-ins' example: If they played $10 tournaments, how much would they need to keep in their bankroll (as a 'winning player' to give them a cushion to protect for variance). Many would suggest ~ 200 buyins ($2,000) would be the right amount.

But as Fundiver has mentioned, this only really applies to people who have 1 fixed bankroll for playing poker... not for a recreational player which most on this site actually are. But say the OP was considering playing 'professionally' (even at the micro stakes level) then it would be necessary to know 'How many buyins' would they need in their bankroll.

For Cash Games I'd suggest no less than 25 buyins.

Poker Orifice · Apr 18, 2024

sidmartin7 said:
if you are not patient and want to grind at least 50 nl, to do so would you say that this is crazy to use a credit line and pay the monthly fees with your winning to fund the missing money in your roll, @fundiver199 @Gallarado777

It'd be much wiser to start off lower, build a roll and not need the Credit line... unless you're a proven winner at those stakes then I suppose 'why not?' You might be better off playing 50nl.

Berandir · Apr 18, 2024

As I am a recreational gamer, I make an average of 3 buy-ins per day, in 1 dollar tournaments.

fundiver199 · Apr 19, 2024

sidmartin7 said:
if you are not patient and want to grind at least 50 nl, to do so would you say that this is crazy to use a credit line and pay the monthly fees with your winning to fund the missing money in your roll, @fundiver199 @Gallarado777

Depends what you mean by "a credit line". A poker bankroll is money, you can afford to lose, and that are not going to be needed for any purpose outside poker. But this does not mean, you cant have a poker bankroll and also have loans. It just need to be long term loans like a mortgage in your house or a credit card from a bank.

It cant be money, which you are expected to pay back shortly, because then the money is not actually available for poker, and you can not afford to lose it. And needless to say, should you lose the money, you need to be able and prepared to pay off the loan using money from outside poker like your paycheck. But really this is no different from buying a $1.500 phone or plane ticket with your credit card, which people do all the time.

Of course another subject is, if you are able to beat 50NL. If you think so and can deposit with a credit card, then sure go ahead. But if you have no track record at all, its generally better to start a bit lower and work your way up. Like maybe deposit $300 and then play 10NL. If you cant beat 10NL, you wont be able to beat 50NL either.

R.Holynskyi · Apr 19, 2024

Pascal Martin said:
HI,

in the today's online poker world how many buy-ins do you like to have for a any nl limite you play, between the recommended 30 and 100 ?

100, I would like to have at least 100 buy-ins in my bankroll. It would make me feel comfortable and safe. In my case, it is important for me to feel safe and comfortable because it has a positive effect on my mood, psychological state and, accordingly, productivity.

Iryna Stryzheuskaya · Apr 19, 2024

The bigger, the better. Knowing that you have a reserve, you can play more calmly.

iceheart888 · Apr 23, 2024

I think it also depends on your level of play. for a regular, 30 buy-ins can be enough

Mbushe · Oct 4, 2024

I'm a tournament player and I'm tight on poker funds, so the max rebuys I go for is 2 after falling out. The goal now is to strengthen my poker funds.

hardongear · Oct 4, 2024

Cash 50 buy-ins.
MTT's 100 buy-ins at least.

Really depends on how much you play and grind daily. A winning rec/hobby player can get away with less or playing bigger MTT's. Long as he's smart enough to move down. Take me as a rec/hobby player for example. Once get over 1k in my account I'll take a shot at the Sunday Million or any bigger buy-in MTT even thou I'm not bankrolled for it. Doesn't matter if I'm bankrolled for it if I'm only taking one shot at it as I'll just win that money back in long run when I play my regular stakes. I never play over my head for a longer period of time. It's always one shot and done.

When doing a challenge I'll use the min number of buy-ins I think I can get away with. I've started with as little as $20 at 2nl and built up.

Cheers!!!

Cooking · Oct 5, 2024

For me at least 100x the buy in, but I prefer even more than 100x because I can play more comfortable.

thetick33 · Oct 5, 2024

Pascal Martin said:
HI,

in the today's online poker world how many buy-ins do you like to have for a any nl limite you play, between the recommended 30 and 100 ?

my rules for buy ins cash is 4 times i usually wont rebuy more then 2 times to tournaments...just dont get results...bank roll is another story....it depends but i do not use a 100 rule never have....i buy in based on number of people how much the worth is etc...i dont have unlimited funds so def would not go by the 100 x myself ever...never really considered it even...i mix up games 10 dollar buy in tournaments down to freerolls mostly look for 2 to 3 dollar buy ins based on field return etc...make the few hours or more worth my time...this is my thought process at least....cash casino always want 250 or so 50 dollar buy ins at least 4 times that kind of thing....most sites i do not keep more then 200 on too many times had shut down over night

Aleksandr1991 · Oct 5, 2024

Hi, around 50

LUKADONCICMVP · Oct 5, 2024

I use 100 for everything poker related and sports betting lol

Mazembe · Oct 5, 2024

fundiver199 said:
That depends on, which game you are talking about, and the whole situation. Tournaments have more variance than cash games, and large field MTTs have much more variance than single table SnGs. It also depends on, what the purpose of the bankroll is? Are you for instance willing to move down, if you hit a rough path, or it is important for you to be able to stay at the limit, you have reached, without a significant risk of going broke?

If you are trying to grow a small bankroll, it often makes sense to be quite aggressive, since the worst, that can happen, is, that an attempt to move up fail, and you have to move back down again. But if you have already reached the level, where you want to be, and perhaps you make regular withdrawals, then moving down kind of sucks, so you should be more conservative with your bankroll.

It also matter, if you always play the same limit, or if you mix up limits. In the latter case your average buyin is more important than the highest buyin, at least if they are somewhat close to each other. Like if you play $2,2 - $5,5 games with an average of $3,5, then your variance will not be much larger than, if all your games were for $3,5.

Finally many people use the word "bankroll", but they play in a recreational way, where its more reasonable to talk about a budget. So it also matter, if you just want to be able to play until the next paycheck, or if this is really the money, you have set aside for poker, and if you lose it, you will need to stop playing.

Facts, totally agree. I started withdrawing almost every week now, not much but it's progress, I play the same games daily, everytime I try to go higher it hurts my acc capital, so I just adopted

Lena M · Oct 6, 2024

Pascal Martin said:
HI,

in the today's online poker world how many buy-ins do you like to have for a any nl limite you play, between the recommended 30 and 100 ?

Hi

100
Of course, the more the merrier

I follow a simple rule. With a bankroll of $100, my limit per day is $3. No more.

ninocabral · Oct 6, 2024

For me, the ideal is at least 100 buy ins, this is enough to avoid the risk of breaking your bank

flabilim · Oct 9, 2024

100 or more would be enough for you to play with peace of mind, and management would also set a daily or weekly limit.

oriole · Oct 9, 2024

For cash games 25 buy-ins and for tournaments - 100 buy-ins.

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