QQ always vs AK

Poker Orifice said:

What site are you playing on?

Shouldn't be too difficult to post a dozen screenshots if it's happening every single time.

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We have noticed this on PartyPoker. I’ll start keeping screen shots for you I guess… it does seem like a lot of folks seem to agree with me along with the pretty clear set up for action hands. We have only been playing for a few weeks (played live for over 40 years) and have never never seen anything like the online hands. I’m not saying it’s rigged I’m not saying you can’t win but this is not fully random outcomes. If you start playing enough you can start to see when you have to really tighten up close to the pays, and pay jumps.

This to me is a form of poker but I have a funny feeling the majority of live pros can’t compete online and vs versa. It’s pretty unbelievable for some hands to be called and always hit. We’ve been trying different bet sizing patterns and really going after players who are really tilted.

Again it could just be random it’s working the way.. but we watch if betting large instead of all in (we have 6000 in chips and instead of going “all in” we make a bet of like 5900 pre flop depending what the software seems to be doing. Our results have gotten to be drastically different in a good way. So if we are playing and we see players getting out flopped on all ins (preflop) and we want all our chips is and not to get screwed we bet 99% of our chips (wild how much more we don’t get out flopped this way sometimes).

So again you don’t have take what I’m saying as true but I thought this was a place to talk about things like this.. it seems a lot of other players seem to think something might be up too.

tiltqueen said:

We have noticed this on PartyPoker. I’ll start keeping screen shots for you I guess… it does seem like a lot of folks seem to agree with me along with the pretty clear set up for action hands. We have only been playing for a few weeks (played live for over 40 years) and have never never seen anything like the online hands. I’m not saying it’s rigged I’m not saying you can’t win but this is not fully random outcomes. If you start playing enough you can start to see when you have to really tighten up close to the pays, and pay jumps.

This to me is a form of poker but I have a funny feeling the majority of live pros can’t compete online and vs versa. It’s pretty unbelievable for some hands to be called and always hit. We’ve been trying different bet sizing patterns and really going after players who are really tilted.

Again it could just be random it’s working the way.. but we watch if betting large instead of all in (we have 6000 in chips and instead of going “all in” we make a bet of like 5900 pre flop depending what the software seems to be doing. Our results have gotten to be drastically different in a good way. So if we are playing and we see players getting out flopped on all ins (preflop) and we want all our chips is and not to get screwed we bet 99% of our chips (wild how much more we don’t get out flopped this way sometimes).

So again you don’t have take what I’m saying as true but I thought this was a place to talk about things like this.. it seems a lot of other players seem to think something might be up too.

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have a funny feeling the majority of live pros can’t compete online and vs versa.
This comment is very inaccurate. In fact, most of the top online players (or former top online players) are also the ones killing the highest stakes in live tourneys. (ie. Bryn Kenney, Shaun Deeb, Stephen Chidwick, Steve O'Dwyer, Ole Schemion, etc. etc. etc.)

I've been playing on Partypoker for 19 years and have never noticed anything you're mentioning here. I've also played on at least 3 dozen other sites with same results on all of them.

Poker Orifice said:

have a funny feeling the majority of live pros can’t compete online and vs versa.
This comment is very inaccurate. In fact, most of the top online players (or former top online players) are also the ones killing the highest stakes in live tourneys. (ie. Bryn Kenney, Shaun Deeb, Stephen Chidwick, Steve O'Dwyer, Ole Schemion, etc. etc. etc.)

I've been playing on Partypoker for 19 years and have never noticed anything you're mentioning here. I've also played on at least 3 dozen other sites with same results on all of them.

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Well I’m glad your experience has been good myself and other seem to feel different. Thank for your input it’s seems to be in the minority on this thread.

tiltqueen said:

Well I’m glad your experience has been good myself and other seem to feel different. Thank for your input it’s seems to be in the minority on this thread.

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Pretty small sample size to base off of. And if you were to look at who is supporting the 'rigged' belief, vs. the others that aren't, and happen to read some of their other posts you might think differently.

Honestly your post is so way out there that I have to believe it's just trolling.
There's a lot of good information on this forum, and it still has a handful of poker players who are willing to help with advice. Unfortunately because it has become a 'freeroll site', there are many rookie (new) players & many who are just not good and don't seem to want to learn who tend to focus on reasons outside of themselves for why they are not winning.

If this is happening every single time, why not post up a bunch of screenshots showing it?

If what you wrote would be true, that would be very strange, even suspicious.
However, i dont think it happened exactly like that, it is just your subjective impression cosmetised a little bit.

martinlgs said:

Statistically, the probability of AK calling 100% of the time, and that the player calling with the most chips wins 100% of the time, is almost impossible.

THERE'S NEVER A QQ 😆😆😆😆

That's software, programming, there's no other way to put it.

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Martin, do you think this actually happened?
I would suggest there's one other way to put it, a way that is much more likely. A way that is much more believable. A way that is the truth. OP is full of __it

I do prefer AK Im always all in...
But it very good play QQ ...
Not all in but raising...
Winable both

For me, the QQ card is much better than the AK card

pltelles said:

QQ is panic, it's the unluckiest pair in poker. But, there's definitely something strange about these poker apps. I don't trust them anymore. Especially not on GG.

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JJ is insulted by this comment.

But jokes aside, AK is a fairly common hand relative to QQ, with about 2.5X as many combos available. QQ is also unblocking AK so if you're getting QQ in pre you're going to run into AK more often than AQ.

Good news for QQ is that JJ also exists and people will get than in pre for stacks too so you at least have one hand crushed lol

Hello friends, the truth is I am of the opinion that when it is that dispute between a pair and a k I always see it as a blow a 50/50 because for me it has been that regardless of whether it is a for a down, it has a greater chance for a high but it is still a fly

tiltqueen said:

Hello

My husband and I started playing online poker together we are still very new and have noticed something very odd. We have played just over 4,000 hands, in those 4,000 hands we have seen QQ come up 61 times that we could see and every time we saw them they were called by a AK. Is this just software? Is it random? Out of the 61 outcomes the player with more chips won every time.

Has anyone seen this? How 2 play them

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I find this hard to believe. In Hold 'Em there are 1326 two card combinations, of which six are queens. Therefore:

Pr(QQ)= 6/1326= 4.53E-3

Out of 4000 deals, you should see (Q,Q) 4000(4.53E-3)= 18.1

61 occurrences is way out of line with probability.

According to Equilab:


Equity Win Tie
MP2 57.16% 56.99% 0.17% { QdQh }
MP3 42.84% 42.66% 0.17% { AsKc }


Pocket queens have a big equity edge over Big Slick. If you got queens over three times as often as you should have, and got it in pre against Big Slicks you should be ahead of the game.

I suspect exaggeration here as Poker players are notorious for that. There is also the likelyhood of confirmation bias and/or selective memory. Regardless, 4000 hands isn't all that large of a sample. Play this game long enough and you are guaranteed to see some of the damnedest things happen.

"QQ is panic, it's the unluckiest pair in poker". The only thing that makes (Q,Q) "unlucky" is falling in love with them and not folding even when you know you're beat. It's always nice to start with one of the biggest hands, but they're not invincible and shouldn't be treated as though they were.

pltelles said:

QQ is panic, it's the unluckiest pair in poker. But, there's definitely something strange about these poker apps. I don't trust them anymore. Especially not on GG.

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Nothing is worthy of trust in online rigged poker, math has nothing to do with it...

It turned out that way, do not think that it is like a rule in poker. It is good start hand and you must play it aggressively, good luck!

QQ seems to feel more comfortable than AK, but if I have QQ then I will lose to AK, and if I have QQ then I will lose to AK))

kecoakbogor said:

i don't believe in QQ, KK, AA
i always lose to lucky player when all in

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Always? I find that hard to believe if you have played for a while.

I rarely win with pocket Q, even though it’s a very strong hand.

Hi, it is just random. 4k hands it is my number for one session, it is not much. Try to play 4kk, u will see the difference