Awaterfall13 said:
Its all in the mind. If AA goes all in, and nobody else have anything, then the hand dont go to showdown, and you dont even know, someone had AA. But when some kind of cooler situation happen, it does go to showdown, so you see the cards. Just for fun I actually checked my PokerStars cash game database to see, how often I lost with KK to AA. It was within 10% of the expected frequenzy over 340k hands.
Awaterfall13 said:
Set over set is just a cooler situation, and this will happen on all poker sites and in live games as well. What you need to focus on is your own decisions, and in this hand I think, you might a small mistake preflop. Apparently you were in early or mid position with a 17BB stacks, and then the small pairs like 33 should just be folded. You dont really have enough implied odds to setmine, and if someone 3-bet, you have to fold. On the other hand 17BB is generally to much to risk on an open jam with 33, if you have several players left to act.
on line poker ( more conspiracy theory)
its rigged.... bigger hands, coolers.. more rake..
callers go to the river because they will hit the mircle card.
Regulars get the keep them going hands.. low stack all in... mircle quad 3's on the flop to beat AA or KK or AK beaten by A x..
yea i play.. but with free money from freerolls.
Why does party poker stop you from hand history or Huds.... prevents evidence?
same as all the other on line no Hud or hand history sites..
its rigged.... bigger hands, coolers.. more rake..
callers go to the river because they will hit the mircle card.
Regulars get the keep them going hands.. low stack all in... mircle quad 3's on the flop to beat AA or KK or AK beaten by A x..
yea i play.. but with free money from freerolls.
Why does party poker stop you from hand history or Huds.... prevents evidence?
same as all the other on line no Hud or hand history sites..
Ok so true story.... In tonights freebuys. In the $100, Guy goes all in PF and I call with AJ, he has Q8 hearts... we blank all the way to the Q on river.
But this one.... the $250, I'm dealt QQ and shove. Guy calls with 66.... Flop happens, 2-3-4... I'm like Oh boy, here it comes. And the 5 actually hits on the turn, with ACR rubbing salt in the wound with a 7 on the river.
I rest my case!
But this one.... the $250, I'm dealt QQ and shove. Guy calls with 66.... Flop happens, 2-3-4... I'm like Oh boy, here it comes. And the 5 actually hits on the turn, with ACR rubbing salt in the wound with a 7 on the river.
I rest my case!
Hello. Algorythms, I feel is partially to blame. Poker algorhythms in software can eliminate a person very quickly. Whether intetional or not, it's a fact. In essence, do not play against a big handed villain at the start of a tourney, just before breaks, prior to the bubble and on the final table. I can say and have experienced the same as others and went as far as noticing there seems to be certain times during play that this happens. By the way, I do not know what I am talking about or maybe others have seen the same. One thing definitely can and must be understood, in online poker, you are playing against others and the software.
I definitely think something fishy is going on. For instance, everybody agrees in the instance where the hacker/insider could see all the other players cards. If this happened before, it is likely to happen again. Now, an even *more* serious exploit (that would be nearly as easy to do) would be for some hacker or company insider to obtain the seed for the RNG (they would have to know how the shuffling algorithm works, but this would be fairly easy for a company insider or an intelligent hacker to deduce). Once you have the seed for the RNG, assuming it is a PRNG which 99.99% of all RNGs are, you will be able to know with certainty what all the cards will be (without even seeing all the cards dealt) based on what cards you are dealt. This includes all the cards the other players have, what cards will come on the flop, turn, *and* river just by knowing this one number.
It is called a *pseudo* random number generator for a reason, after all. I have never seen any evidence produced that these RNGs are truly random (if you have evidence, feel free to post it - the only sites I've read produced zero sources).
My solution is to simply try not to overthink it, and treat any money on these poker sites as play money (I won't put in more than I would be upset to lose). As long as it is cheaper than a movie and helps me play better live poker, I think it is worth it to me. Any profits are just a cherry on top and would just be used to play with a bigger bankroll or cashed out immediately.
It is called a *pseudo* random number generator for a reason, after all. I have never seen any evidence produced that these RNGs are truly random (if you have evidence, feel free to post it - the only sites I've read produced zero sources).
My solution is to simply try not to overthink it, and treat any money on these poker sites as play money (I won't put in more than I would be upset to lose). As long as it is cheaper than a movie and helps me play better live poker, I think it is worth it to me. Any profits are just a cherry on top and would just be used to play with a bigger bankroll or cashed out immediately.
Oh no I feel like it happens to much and I'm talking if you got Kk they got AA if you had Aa ( had this happen few nights ago ) preflop there was raises were we all went all in I have AA 2 others got qq and 1010 well flop beautiful nothing higher than 8 then turn 10 river a queen like I had to get off I was on tilt lol...
Something Fishy?
I can only surmise that no one knows for sure exactly what PokerStars and other sites are doing..EXCEPT...they of course are a large corporate entity and PROFIT is their only motivator and to any that say it would be silly for PS to manipulate the cards in MICRO MTTs I suggest you consider the cases of large tobacco, large Pharmaceuticals and Auto makers and how they have been driven by profit needs to hide defects of their products without any apparent concern of the consequences to their customers or themselves. I believe it is very naive to think nothing is fishy.🙂🙂🙂
eRaS55 said:
I can only surmise that no one knows for sure exactly what PokerStars and other sites are doing..EXCEPT...they of course are a large corporate entity and PROFIT is their only motivator and to any that say it would be silly for PS to manipulate the cards in MICRO MTTs I suggest you consider the cases of large tobacco, large Pharmaceuticals and Auto makers and how they have been driven by profit needs to hide defects of their products without any apparent concern of the consequences to their customers or themselves. I believe it is very naive to think nothing is fishy.🙂🙂🙂
When you start chasing the flush draw or straight draw yourself, you will lose even more often. We often want our high pocket pairs to win the showdown. But the chances of pocket pairs gaining power are very small. You should be able to fold with KK, AA when the board becomes too dangerous. If your statistics show losses of large pots with pocket pairs, then do not make big bets.
Sorry for the late reply guys.... but I really appreciate your responses. great comments with lots to think about. I guess it's fair always just keep in mind that this is a factor of online poker and adjust playing accordingly... That said, this seems like it could be a hard one to try and avoid, 'cause to be fair, losing like this is often not because you made a bad play per se...
aaargh another one of those sucky just part of life things I guess.
@bigmack thanks for that informative reply. I can't say I know anything about how any of that works, but I do understand the concept that something that exists and works only because it is following sets of pre-programmed instructions cannot give a random result, as it gets it's idea of what random is based on the instruction it was given.
So, I totally stand with you on that and it would be cool if someone could pop up and show evidence to the contrary?
aaargh another one of those sucky just part of life things I guess.
bigmack said:
@bigmack thanks for that informative reply. I can't say I know anything about how any of that works, but I do understand the concept that something that exists and works only because it is following sets of pre-programmed instructions cannot give a random result, as it gets it's idea of what random is based on the instruction it was given.
So, I totally stand with you on that and it would be cool if someone could pop up and show evidence to the contrary?
CDNMAN 42 said:
100% ... whenever someone says that sites have nothing to gain by knocking players unfairly, I always say consider that majority of the time it's the small stack on the losing end. And when there is a 2 - 8 hour rebuy period on these tourneys, it's pretty clear what benefit exists.
I don't think online poker is rigged.
Even when my aces are cracked by 68s like today.
I just think I should fold this hand because my winning percentage with AA is about 30%.
That's poker and it's useless to complain, moreover because we easily forget the bad beats we sometimes inflict to other players.
Even when my aces are cracked by 68s like today.
I just think I should fold this hand because my winning percentage with AA is about 30%.
That's poker and it's useless to complain, moreover because we easily forget the bad beats we sometimes inflict to other players.
Flushes are weird things. The odds of making one (if you're starting with 2 suited cards) are not all that good. YET, they're the most chased after hand in amateur poker. I usually wait for a combo flush draw/OESD and still lose despite the much, much better odds.1988810 said:
My advice - don't chase it unless you've already got a strong made hand.