What is your opinion on unlimited re-entry poker tournaments?
Do Unlimited Re-Entry Tournaments Help or Hurt Poker?
Do Unlimited Re-Entry Tournaments Help or Hurt Poker?
An interesting article. From the perspective of the house, it certainly is beneficial to have re-entry. Essentially you are able to double charge for the seat. I agree with the point that flying somewhere to play a specific tournament and busting early is so frustrating. I guess it's up to preference... One thing I do know is that as soon as unlimited re-entry and long late registration became the standard, early level of tournaments got really loose.
Well honestly, I never considered that it could hurt poker. But there's no denying that if a player has a distinct skill advantage over majority of the players, unlimited re entrys makes it massivly advantageous for them. But I think that's just the nature of the game. Eventually in poker, it's the best players that wins the most money whether through cash games or tournaments afterall.
It favors the house and fanatics that devote their life to profiting off poker. The house can't take all the profit or else the game would be dead so it gives as minimal as it can to the super grinders with their rules and structures. ACR is well known for this....meanwhile casual players or worse recreational players get super slaughtered by these un-limited re-entry and super long late registration....it basically turns the first several hours of a MTT into dangerously irrelevant play.
xy23 said:
again yes multi entries and rebuys tend to drag out the tournaments and can make them long and very gruelling especially when you come across a player that you have taken out like 4 times in a row as they keep reentering and going all in hoping to just get that one lucky hand where they feel; comfortable enough where they can finally kick back and play a proper game
but as i always mention in simular posts
you need to look at it from the poker rooms perspective
for example the make a 100GTD tourny
and only have 10 players to start it therefore they have only made 1.00
and then 10 was added to the pot so, so far they are at a -$89 loss
therefore rebuys and reentries are going to boost it up and more often then not the poker site will end up in the profit and in business thats what it will be about for them.
however there are times too when reentries can be beneficial particularly if you are way up in the top stacks where it is adding value to your tourny or making your prize money bigger and also when you you are way down in chips and you just shove it in and miss and are put out of the game then you can come back in and have another go.
i generally used to think that at the end of the day the people with the most money would take it out for sure and now i think that they are more unlucky and the short stacks are the ones who can dominate the tournies if they obviously play their cards right.
Being good, bad or otherwise is not the point in my opinion. Unlimited re-entry games are just that...games. As long as a good player plays "good" then there will be money in his or her poke. Playing well may mean re-entering due to multiple bad beats.
From my point of view the tournaments that allow unlimited re-entry are very harmful for poker, loses the essence of the game are several opportunities for the same player which is not fair just to have more money to play, I understand that it can be very profitable for casinos and online sites but they hurt most players
In my opinion, RE should be taken as rebuy. With the help of RE, the tournament prize pool, the total number of chips are increased, but the number of ITM places does not increase. This means for players using only 1 entry increased dispersion compared to a regular freezeout tournament.
I do not understand the perturbations of players who do not use RE, but play in tournaments with this option. This is reminiscent of players who do not make re-buys and add-ons, this is their right.
I do not understand the perturbations of players who do not use RE, but play in tournaments with this option. This is reminiscent of players who do not make re-buys and add-ons, this is their right.
I think that in tournaments with unlimited re-entry, with a small buy inn, there are wild texas hah like on a freeroll😉
if you have money and you can endure, and you are lucky that it is an important factor in such tournaments, I wish you success 🙂
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if you have money and you can endure, and you are lucky that it is an important factor in such tournaments, I wish you success 🙂
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I like tourneys because of the "if you bust your out" aspect... It's harder to apply pressure early if they can just re buy again. It's like when ppl hate "pay to win online video games" rebuys are a form of pay to win like being able to purchase infinite lifes? depending on bankroll/stakes and crazyness. I still do play them tho.
Personally I don't like re buys. If I get wiped out by a bad beat, I just take it and move on. If you re-buy late in the tournament, you are at at disadvantage against the deep stacks. Also I don't like that it makes the tournament drag on as the field keeps getting replenished by re-buyers.
So that makes it bad for me, I don't know if it makes it bad for poker in general.
So that makes it bad for me, I don't know if it makes it bad for poker in general.
I was just thinking about this the other day. I agree 100% with Jacki, Greg and Norman. Nothing would be more demoralizing to a Rec than to knockout a Pro only to see them re-enter time and time again like it's nothing. To me, it would be like cutting the head off of Hydra only to see it regrow 3 with no signs of stopping. Most Recs probably sacrificed a lot to save up for a dream shot at a High Roller Main Event. It would suck to lose only because you couldn't afford to rebuy or re-entry like the Pros can.
I think Matt brought up a good solution, capping rebuys and re-entries to 2 or 3 a tournament would level out the playing field a lot more between the Pros and Recs.
I think Matt brought up a good solution, capping rebuys and re-entries to 2 or 3 a tournament would level out the playing field a lot more between the Pros and Recs.
I dont mind Re-0entry tournys, how many of us has had a great hand and then killed by the river early in a tourney, I have and bet most everyone else has been there. Knowing you feel you played the hands right and having that feeling you can reach the final tables in a game dewly deserve a chance to re-enter a game. For unlimited re-entries I'm not for it, it only makes for a shove fest which is not a poker game
No Players no Poker
I believe the question was directed not at individual players but at the community. If actions are taken that are harmful for the majority of players those players may stop playing.
In Vegas right now Pro poker players are being pushed out of the biggest games because they crushed rich non pros for years. Now the rich players said no more.
Is it harmful to the majority of players? 😕
Polytarp said:
I believe the question was directed not at individual players but at the community. If actions are taken that are harmful for the majority of players those players may stop playing.
In Vegas right now Pro poker players are being pushed out of the biggest games because they crushed rich non pros for years. Now the rich players said no more.
Is it harmful to the majority of players? 😕
Similar discussion we can have about speed poker/zoom like games.
You can play during one evening more hands than in 15 tournaments.
Is it still poker? Or game based on NLHE rules?
However people like it. Play it.
Maybe it's occassion to practice sth new?
You can play during one evening more hands than in 15 tournaments.
Is it still poker? Or game based on NLHE rules?
However people like it. Play it.
Maybe it's occassion to practice sth new?
No Players no Poker
The trade off with speed poker is the majority of REC players want it and enjoy it. Also it is harder to target REC player in those games so less likely for REC player to be surrounded by sharks.
The tournaments let good players attack REC players over and over with no way for the REC player to fight back.
Will it harm the poker community. It will harm REC players bankrolls but it might not stop them from adding more to their bankrolls and continuing to play.😕
The trade off with speed poker is the majority of REC players want it and enjoy it. Also it is harder to target REC player in those games so less likely for REC player to be surrounded by sharks.
The tournaments let good players attack REC players over and over with no way for the REC player to fight back.
Will it harm the poker community. It will harm REC players bankrolls but it might not stop them from adding more to their bankrolls and continuing to play.😕
Unlimited re-entries imo hurts financially recreational players who are not decently close to the average good player (so nomatter how many times they reenter , they won't gain an advantage or they won't have a real opportunity to win sthr or big on the short , especiallyon the long run ) or if they have tilt problems- a recipe to lose again and again a lot of money in one session/tournament .
But having the opportunity to re-enter for one ( or two ) time(s) at the most isn't so bad , this way higher guaranteed $$$ prizes are offered , things can't go out of control , pros don't have so much advantage because of their bankroll and the limited opportunities they have to start over and build a stack . Also some recreationals , or regs , can use it (one or two more billets are affordable , and some desire to have one more chance for the tournament of their choice ) .
For live or online poker apply this , although in online imo things are easier to go out of control and start re-entering again and again . I try never to reenter again , almost always I follow this rule .
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But having the opportunity to re-enter for one ( or two ) time(s) at the most isn't so bad , this way higher guaranteed $$$ prizes are offered , things can't go out of control , pros don't have so much advantage because of their bankroll and the limited opportunities they have to start over and build a stack . Also some recreationals , or regs , can use it (one or two more billets are affordable , and some desire to have one more chance for the tournament of their choice ) .
For live or online poker apply this , although in online imo things are easier to go out of control and start re-entering again and again . I try never to reenter again , almost always I follow this rule .
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LotharMcDowner said:
Interesting. I wonder if the poker sites have tried something like this or any live poker tournaments?