RogueRivered said:
So these bots that are playing $100 freerolls?
Surely if people were using software to give them advantage they would be doing so in a higher return tournament?
After reading this thread and the 'evidence' given I just don't get it. You've posted screen shots of players names in lobby no real evidence..
MoeJurphy said:
I think Rogue could have explained it better, but there does seem to be bots playing.
How could any actual human be playing every on demand freeroll for 24 hours non stop for days and possibly weeks/months?
You can verify for yourself. Look at some of the names he posted. Open up BCP/ACR and check at the on demand freerolls that are running. You'll find these "players" in the game day and night (and in between).
I don't play these freerolls, so it's not affecting me personally, but I do find it interesting. Or maybe they are just extremely dedicated freerollers who drink a lot of coffee 🙂
MoeJurphy said:
So, what is it? Fake evidence? And please tell me how I should approach it because I've been trying everything I can think of. If you have a good idea, let me know.
One idea I had is that someone takes these bots' winnings, transfers them to his own account, and then uses the proceeds to enter more expensive tournaments. One of these bots even played a few $215 buy-ins -- and won $700-something in one of them.
I have reviewed RR's data and it seems that these accounts can surely be bots, and in fact as ACR has stated - most of them are gone now.
Reasons I believe -
WAY WAY WAY too many games per day - 41 (MTTS) spread every hour-ish over a span of 24 hours - many days in a row - HIGHLY IMPROBABLE
Each and every player listed has almost the exact identical stats across the board and all only played either freerolls or .10c tourneys.
I spied a bunch of them - none ever talk, none have locations, most act on hands 6 seconds after their turn starts
WHY I THINK ITS ACR's BOTS -
1. with all of this action in just these tourneys, these things are not even clearing 10k a year as a group of about 100. Why would someone buy a bot, let alone 100 of them, and manage all of the accounts, as well as hide all of the IP addys for so little money.
2. DOES THE NETWORK NOT RUN CHEAT SOFTWARE - if these are not ACR's bots then why are they not finding them. Most reputable sites run collusion and cheat software DAILY! These accounts should have been found though some of them have been operating for MONTHS! If not ACR's THEN TERRIBLE JOB! It didnt take much for RR to find these accounts, in fact anyone with sharkscope access can find them by searching for the right info.
This does not fall solely on ACR. The whole network is to blame - which includes BCP. You guys have got to get your shit together if you are going to compete in USA now that PokerStars is taking over again, NO WAY can you have 100's of bots running around without your knowledge - pitiful.
Reasons I believe -
WAY WAY WAY too many games per day - 41 (MTTS) spread every hour-ish over a span of 24 hours - many days in a row - HIGHLY IMPROBABLE
Each and every player listed has almost the exact identical stats across the board and all only played either freerolls or .10c tourneys.
I spied a bunch of them - none ever talk, none have locations, most act on hands 6 seconds after their turn starts
WHY I THINK ITS ACR's BOTS -
1. with all of this action in just these tourneys, these things are not even clearing 10k a year as a group of about 100. Why would someone buy a bot, let alone 100 of them, and manage all of the accounts, as well as hide all of the IP addys for so little money.
2. DOES THE NETWORK NOT RUN CHEAT SOFTWARE - if these are not ACR's bots then why are they not finding them. Most reputable sites run collusion and cheat software DAILY! These accounts should have been found though some of them have been operating for MONTHS! If not ACR's THEN TERRIBLE JOB! It didnt take much for RR to find these accounts, in fact anyone with sharkscope access can find them by searching for the right info.
This does not fall solely on ACR. The whole network is to blame - which includes BCP. You guys have got to get your shit together if you are going to compete in USA now that PokerStars is taking over again, NO WAY can you have 100's of bots running around without your knowledge - pitiful.
ACR - BCP WPN - Bots bots bots - horrific
Ok I am not one to complain about BOTS on websites, in fact I do not mind terribly playing them because they are not that good and easily manipulated - however the recent, and not so recent, reports of BOTS usage across the entire WPN network (ACR and BCP) is horrific.
There are threads in this forum of people exposing Bot Tribes to ACR - ACR responding that they deleted the accounts and will take measures for this to not happen again. Then just a few months later another person exposes over 100 bots to ACR, they again say they got rid of the accounts and will take measures for it to not happen again.
Hmm, seems almost like a pattern.
WPN - ACR and BCP - please do us a favor - either 1. admit you are the ones using the bots - no one will care. 2. tell us they exist and that you refuse to ever implement any devices to keep them from being used. 3. fix the problem.
I see everywhere now on websites that are trying to rid themselves of bot spammers by having a little button to push that says "I am not a robot" before you can do anything. I can not imagine that this is too difficult to have. Can we not have this in our poker websites - and have it ask every half hour and after a certain amount of time if the player does not hit the button they get logged off and flagged for review? Seems so simple.
Furthermore, all reputable sites run collusion and cheat software detection daily - do you not do this WPN? If you do why can you not find bots? - seems simple to me.
If you are to every stay afloat in this business you have to fix this now....your numbers are so thin already and getting worse with every new state that legalizes online poker (for Pokerstars, 888 and wsop.com to step in) Michigan, Iowa and a few others are very close, and all are going to allow other states and countries players...once these roll out your site is DOOMED if simple problems like this can not be resolved permanently.
Sure, a few bots here and there may slip through the cracks at any site on rare occasions - but eventually be found, BUT these are so obvious and easily detectable it seems almost criminal that you didnt find them sooner.
I like WPN, I like the skin, the feel, and the colors (especially on BCP), I hope things there change soon.
Ok I am not one to complain about BOTS on websites, in fact I do not mind terribly playing them because they are not that good and easily manipulated - however the recent, and not so recent, reports of BOTS usage across the entire WPN network (ACR and BCP) is horrific.
There are threads in this forum of people exposing Bot Tribes to ACR - ACR responding that they deleted the accounts and will take measures for this to not happen again. Then just a few months later another person exposes over 100 bots to ACR, they again say they got rid of the accounts and will take measures for it to not happen again.
Hmm, seems almost like a pattern.
WPN - ACR and BCP - please do us a favor - either 1. admit you are the ones using the bots - no one will care. 2. tell us they exist and that you refuse to ever implement any devices to keep them from being used. 3. fix the problem.
I see everywhere now on websites that are trying to rid themselves of bot spammers by having a little button to push that says "I am not a robot" before you can do anything. I can not imagine that this is too difficult to have. Can we not have this in our poker websites - and have it ask every half hour and after a certain amount of time if the player does not hit the button they get logged off and flagged for review? Seems so simple.
Furthermore, all reputable sites run collusion and cheat software detection daily - do you not do this WPN? If you do why can you not find bots? - seems simple to me.
If you are to every stay afloat in this business you have to fix this now....your numbers are so thin already and getting worse with every new state that legalizes online poker (for Pokerstars, 888 and wsop.com to step in) Michigan, Iowa and a few others are very close, and all are going to allow other states and countries players...once these roll out your site is DOOMED if simple problems like this can not be resolved permanently.
Sure, a few bots here and there may slip through the cracks at any site on rare occasions - but eventually be found, BUT these are so obvious and easily detectable it seems almost criminal that you didnt find them sooner.
I like WPN, I like the skin, the feel, and the colors (especially on BCP), I hope things there change soon.
Your going to be majorly let down the day regulation happens for your state, it may decide to not even share liquidity, meaning much less games. Poker is a dying game, has gotten smaller 40% black friday and unless a contenental regulation happens soon, next two years (never happening) we will never see it and one by one state's just hurts the overall liquidity for the vast majority of the population in the U.S. Big states may be more inclined to keep it intrastate gambling as well, just like New Jersey, isn't with Nevada, and Delaware.
I just did a quick check of the $10 freeroll that is going on right now. I've looked up so many of these things that I've started to memorize them. Lol.
Anyway, putting the entrants in alphabetical order and rough counting, I came up with 162 of them! 162! And I probably missed several.
Anyway, putting the entrants in alphabetical order and rough counting, I came up with 162 of them! 162! And I probably missed several.
RogueRivered said:Bots Inactivated!
detroitjunkie said:
These accounts are still playing right now, as are most of the players in Rogue's list. So not sure about any of them being removed.
I think as easy way to detect bots would be to see which players have be playing non-stop for more than 11 days (the longest recorded time of a person going without sleep) 🙂
Dear ACR rep - what is your companys plan to rid your site of all the bots....this should not be happening, all reputable sites would never allow this to happen at such a level - I mean common 100s and 100s of bots, and they keep returning. Do you not run collusion and cheat programs to defend against this? We need answers, real ones not just that you are doing something about it - what are you doing to keep it from happening in the future?
MoeJurphy said:
The on demand freerolls give the bots an unlimited bankroll. They rack up hundreds of dollars playing thousands of these games. Then they take the money and play other buy-in tourneys. Whether or not it's easy to win against them is irrelevant.
They should get rid of these freerolls or have some sort of verification to play them.
mootso said:
Yeah, they all came back. The day I made that screen shot, they were all marked inactive, so I thought it had beed fixed. However, that was the same day that ACR had massive problems with all its tournaments.
I guess I must have a suspicious mind, but it's just weird that it all happened on the same day. It's like the programmers were busy inactivating the bots, and then messed up some other code while they were doing it that brought everything down. So then they just said "forget it" and put everything back the way it was. 😕 They certainly had a lot of irate customers that day.
Just wanted to make two more points about these bots:
1. They slow the game down tremendously, further wasting their customers' time. Instead of acting quickly for obvious decisions, they always take lots of time on each and every move. Get 7 of them on a table with 2 humans -- it's going to take a loooong time.
2. The bots' wins in the freerolls do not seem to count toward the leaderboard. This is highly suspicious and makes me think ACR/WPN knows about and probably owns these bots. There are almost always bots on the final table, but why don't their scores show up. I didn't see a single one out of 150 leaderboard spots. That simply is not possible.
1. They slow the game down tremendously, further wasting their customers' time. Instead of acting quickly for obvious decisions, they always take lots of time on each and every move. Get 7 of them on a table with 2 humans -- it's going to take a loooong time.
2. The bots' wins in the freerolls do not seem to count toward the leaderboard. This is highly suspicious and makes me think ACR/WPN knows about and probably owns these bots. There are almost always bots on the final table, but why don't their scores show up. I didn't see a single one out of 150 leaderboard spots. That simply is not possible.
Funny Math
Yeah, I know, I should stop watching these things, but here's a funny one. Look how they bet:
All the little green marks are on the bots. There were 7 out of 9 on the final table.
So the blinds are 5,000 / 10,000. UTG folds, MP goes All-In for 41,958, MP+1 Raises to 149624. Now why did he choose such a weird number to raise? Simple -- it's a computer. 🙂
Here's why and don't tell me a human would bother figuring this out, well, except for me that is, after the fact, but certainly a human wouldn't figure it out in a few seconds.
(41,958 x 3) + 15,000 blinds + 8750 Antes = 149,624. QED 😀
Yeah, I know, I should stop watching these things, but here's a funny one. Look how they bet:
All the little green marks are on the bots. There were 7 out of 9 on the final table.
So the blinds are 5,000 / 10,000. UTG folds, MP goes All-In for 41,958, MP+1 Raises to 149624. Now why did he choose such a weird number to raise? Simple -- it's a computer. 🙂
Here's why and don't tell me a human would bother figuring this out, well, except for me that is, after the fact, but certainly a human wouldn't figure it out in a few seconds.
(41,958 x 3) + 15,000 blinds + 8750 Antes = 149,624. QED 😀
