I think that we can all agree that poker bots have become a problem in online poker. A few years ago if you mentioned bots people thought you were a sore looser or conspiracy theorist but with the advances in A.I. in the last couple years bots have become more common. I did not realize how easy it was to obtain poker bot software. I thought I would need to activate my VPN and launch Tor and search the dark web. That was not the case. A simple google search brings up many inexpensive and what seem to be effective poker bot software options. I play at Betonline mostly and to often I find players making odd decisions and loosing tough hands. I understand Tilt and all that but there happens to be a few players that seem to play like a robot. I am not going to call out any names but it used to be easy to pick them out by looking at all the active tables and seeing the same players on 10-15 tables at the same time. I brought this to Betonlines attention and their response was the following day you could no longer easily look at which players were on what tables thru the poker lobby without opening the table window. They put that nice new promotional banner where it used to be which is identical to the other promotional banner at the top of the window. I know some sites are doing a lot to identify and remove bots and I think Betonline needs to get with the program and do the same.
Can't it just be grinders? of course only the weaker breed 😀. I don't know bot programs, but I think they are playing as a professional player, they do not see the opponent's card and do not know what the next card is. But I know for sure, Betonline is well protected against such programs.
I don't tend to think that sites like Betonline use bots necessarily but does anyone think that it is possible that they would use bots the same way that a live casino would use prop players? Some will say that they make enough money why would they jeopardize everything.. But to those people I ask how much money is enough?? No amount of money is EVER enough.. That is why you do not see big time drug dealers cashing out before they get busted. Humans are greedy we always want more more more and sometimes right or wrong, ethical or unethical, and legal or illegal is not as important as ones desire to have more money and ones greed.
myquickwit said:
It is possible that what I said had nothing to do with the seated player names being covered now. It could be just a coincidence. I just thought that it was suspicious. Are you curious as to why the Bad Beat Jackpot went from $900,000 to $300,000 without a single word of a winner and now the hand to beat is quad deuces and they changed the payout percentages too. I made another post on here about it and have not got one single reply. I can not believe that nobody is not at all curious about what happened to the $600,000 but it seems like they just pocketed the money and lowered the minimum hand and changed the payout percentages as a decoy.
I was looking for the bad beat winner as well. One thing though is they added a new zoom bad beat at lower limits. I assume the two jackpots are different, they would almost have to be. But yeah I was wondering the same thing. Great question. The mystery continues.
myquickwit said:
Yea they are separate and 2 people hit the zoom BBJ the first day and they had pop up notice for everyone to see for both of them. I also checked all of the tables shortly after the BBJ hit or after it dropped $600k anyway and it did not appear that anyone had a large sum of money under their name.
here is the first notice of any kind anywhere I have seen on it....
https://www.pokernewsreport.com/chan...-jackpot-23835
still strange that Betonline has not updated their website with the winner information or tweeted about it... very odd...
and on the pokernewsreport.com article their jackpot distribution percentages are not correct.. the right distribution percentages can be seen here:
https://promotions.betonline.ag/bad-beat-jackpot
https://www.pokernewsreport.com/chan...-jackpot-23835
still strange that Betonline has not updated their website with the winner information or tweeted about it... very odd...
and on the pokernewsreport.com article their jackpot distribution percentages are not correct.. the right distribution percentages can be seen here:
https://promotions.betonline.ag/bad-beat-jackpot
Edit
BetOnline is considered a "Soft" target for BOTters.
Been that way for a LONG time.
And ever since they had their change of corporate executives, the site has changed and is no longer what it used to be.
Back in the day, it was a much better site. Lots of freerolls, and soft play.
Now, CardsChat freerolls are the only reason I still have an account.
BOL has become a training ground for BOTs, and the site loves it.( Bots are generating rake and action, so BOL looks the other way. )
If you play there, play cheap. Use it as BOTs do, as training grounds.
Been that way for a LONG time.
And ever since they had their change of corporate executives, the site has changed and is no longer what it used to be.
Back in the day, it was a much better site. Lots of freerolls, and soft play.
Now, CardsChat freerolls are the only reason I still have an account.
BOL has become a training ground for BOTs, and the site loves it.( Bots are generating rake and action, so BOL looks the other way. )
If you play there, play cheap. Use it as BOTs do, as training grounds.
Software updates are planned
I really don't think any of the AI advancements in the past years have lead to bots being in poker. Quite frankly the AI advancments of the past years are far beyond botting a poker client. I don't think coding a bot would be that difficult for the programmers I worked with. I'd wager they could create one in less than a week with access to the poker client code.
I think (only my personal guess) the increase in bots is directly linked to the increase in hacking/bot interference in video games. The video game industry has increased their ability to stamp out (mostly) cheaters in games, and the cheaters are mostly programmers who love to solve software problems. A problem to them is a challenge. I'm sure everyone has watched some kind of dark web, hacker realm, mystery type code/programmer show or movie. Those dudes are really like that - they really get into solving problems, regardless of the problem.
I think a lot of those hacker/cheater gamer people have moved into hacking poker software - because the security is less sophisticated than game development security.
This is not to speak ill of the efforts of online poker client security. I just know the game development industry grosses more cash each year than any other entertainment industry, so they have the disposable income to have the best security.
It's extremely doubtful they answered your inquiry by covering up the table names with a banner.
Referencing my previous career - software updates/releases are planned weeks in advance. So it is very likely that 'new' banner was planned to be released in the software update weeks if not a month prior to your contact with them.
Only very small teams and products have the agility to update/release content within hours of being notified. The larger the team/product the longer the turn around time for fix/update.
I used develop animations for video games. I worked with a lot of pretty smart programmer people.rmcmullen2003 said:
I really don't think any of the AI advancements in the past years have lead to bots being in poker. Quite frankly the AI advancments of the past years are far beyond botting a poker client. I don't think coding a bot would be that difficult for the programmers I worked with. I'd wager they could create one in less than a week with access to the poker client code.
I think (only my personal guess) the increase in bots is directly linked to the increase in hacking/bot interference in video games. The video game industry has increased their ability to stamp out (mostly) cheaters in games, and the cheaters are mostly programmers who love to solve software problems. A problem to them is a challenge. I'm sure everyone has watched some kind of dark web, hacker realm, mystery type code/programmer show or movie. Those dudes are really like that - they really get into solving problems, regardless of the problem.
I think a lot of those hacker/cheater gamer people have moved into hacking poker software - because the security is less sophisticated than game development security.
This is not to speak ill of the efforts of online poker client security. I just know the game development industry grosses more cash each year than any other entertainment industry, so they have the disposable income to have the best security.
You said in another post it is probably coincidence and I would agree with that.rmcmullen2003 said:
It's extremely doubtful they answered your inquiry by covering up the table names with a banner.
Referencing my previous career - software updates/releases are planned weeks in advance. So it is very likely that 'new' banner was planned to be released in the software update weeks if not a month prior to your contact with them.
Only very small teams and products have the agility to update/release content within hours of being notified. The larger the team/product the longer the turn around time for fix/update.
rmcmullen2003 said:
Get with the program?! Lol they are likely Betonlines Bots... They have a vested interest in beating you out of your money. They aren't accountable to US law or the gaming commission. They likely laughed at you in robot voice.