Cheating at ACR

LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.

Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.

We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.

Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.

To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.

Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.
Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.
We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.
Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.
To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.
Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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LedZeffelin said:

Sorry for the typos. Here is the paper, It applies more to ACR the anywhere. https://www.academia.edu/34059393/On...udy_Pokerstars

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KristaK said:

hi hi :ciao:
i actually read this paper you present as evidence - did you?
180 pages, it typical academic mumbo jumbo, 100s of diagrams flashy charts & multitude of bs....

what mr apahideanu say is he use holdem manager analyze 5,320 hands he play on pokerstars

he compare actual probabilities to his results
example: top ranked hands statistically should come 2.11% of time, his results 2.15%
etc etc plus goes thru many many bad beat examples

his conclusion is that pokerstars is rigged... why? cause this:

i. to prevent weaker players from getting demoralized and deserting the game on the
platform;
ii. directly related, to prevent better players from winning too much too fast, and
withdrawing their profits, by deliberately adjusting their expected, normal, win rate
downwards, thus forcing them to play more and more games, implicitly increasing
the overall rake collected by the platform;
iii. to keep the game more interesting, more spectacular, more "fun", thus potentially
attracting more new players.

this is nonsense 55k hands is not evidence of anything
pokerstars not jeopardize a 5 billion dollar business, yes billion with a "b" to rig their games
pokerstars is regulated by authorities in malta & ilse if man, also overseen in some usa & european markets
their rng (random number generator) is checked, independent verified
i was in malta in november. i meet 2 nice boys work at stars group, we discuss this, they explain in detail their security & checks to keep all things legit at great expense & effort

i puzzled why you take mr apahideanu paper which all about pokerstars to smear acr?
not seem fair to me?

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KristaK said:

this is nonsense 55k hands is not evidence of anything



Totally agree. 55k total hands is not nearly enough for statistical significance. For statistics to achieve near total power you need millions of extractions for each particular situation, that means at least several trillions hands total. The stats he compares his results to were obtained through computer simulations of such high numbers.

i puzzled why you take mr apahideanu paper which all about pokerstars to smear acr?
not seem fair to me?

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zinzir said:

Again, a correct observation. The paper is about Pokerstars, not ACR.

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LedZeffelin said:

And your scientific conclusion is that ACR is far better than PS. They call that a shill.

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zinzir said:

My conclusion was simply that ACR is a different organization than PS, just like you are a different person than me.
You being a rigtard does not make me one, just like hypothetical issues at PS do not imply cheating at ACR

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dayontour said:

I think all the sites design there games to achive as much rake as possible and payouts for as small few as possible.

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frank174 said:

If you believe that then you can't believe its truly random hence fixed

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dayontour said:

The games do not have to be fixed, just the game rules which can be used to make better x rake numbers.
So you play many games over and over, maybe break even, but they get rake for all the games you played.
Top Tournament players (small few) do not need to worry about this, just the rest of us.

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LedZeffelin said:

You had me at “academic mumbo jumbo”.

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vittopio said:

In any poker room, you can find bots and scammers and conspiracy - this is not the point, but how the room fights this! For me personally, the RNG ARC is more believable than other rooms!

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Dorugremon said:

The author of that paper does admit that it isn't "academically rigorous" right there on the first page. Regardless, he does provide enough data to raise questions about the integrity of Poker Stars. Certainly it's enough to warrant a closer look.

How does that relates to ACR? Never played there, so how does that relate?

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