Cheating at ACR

Let's be totally honest here, when players lose, they need to blame it on the site being rigged, or some players using Bots, anything or everything except there own mistakes.
After all, aren't we all Poker Superstars that never make mistake's, Even the best players in the World make mistake's occasionally, or they wouldn't be Human, and I find the better player's accept that they made a mistake, but don't whinge about losing, and don't blame everyone else, or claim they were cheated.
If you were Cheated! Don't deposit on the site, and stay well away from them. It's that simple!
But please don't Whinge and Cry about losing on any site and claim it was rigged or crooked. It is a sure sign of a sore loser!

When the fun Stops, STOP!
Please!

Kayott77 said:

I've been playing there for a long time and I am 100% sure its rigged in everyway it can be, but you just can't say a site is rigged you need to look at patterns of things going on certain players hand history, I've even recorded things but nobody seems to care or I'm just a horrible player and I need to learn how to play that's what the employees will say. If anyone would like me to prove the things I'm saying are true I invite you to watch when I play and I will even be talking to anyone that wants to on messenger or something and I can tell you what's going to happen most of the time when certain accounts are playing what's going to happen, I can tell you what cards will hit and what cards won't come I mean because it's so random and everything. Yes they use house accounts and theses are very easy to figure out. Besides the accounts that I already know are house accounts every couple days you will see a bunch of new accounts and the reason I notice this is because I play mostly plo8 and when I see 10 new accounts in one day I look them up and they were created all of them 10 years ago and then they all just start playing again well then I know those are accounts that the site uses and they just keep recycling accounts because people keep figureing out who the house accounts are. Don't go by if someone chats or not because the site will have the accounts talking but you can't get a real conversation usually just a couple words or maybe sentences, now before any of you ACR employee f**k tards come and say I don't know what I'm talking about or I can't play poker I've been watching this site for along time and I also took 3rd in plo8 at wsop and cashed in the main event the same year so I have my shit together I know what I'm talking about the site is a str8 scam through And through go fund a real job!!!!:icon_sant

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I agree , I honestly think they could have house bots in place , but im not 100% sure . Its just weird the way im knocked out of most tourneys I play here . Dudes will go all in with 83s against AA , KK , QQ it doesnt matter , they get there everytime for a flush . AA VS AK OR AQ , they get two KK on the flop or turn and river two QQ . Ill raise big from the big blind and a limper will still call and hit 3 of a kind wit some stupid hand like K3o on a 933 board . Ive watched and had it happen to me more times than the math says is right . Some of you guys gun probably say I need to get better or I suck but thats just not the case , I know I know how to play the game and when you consistently get it in good against worst hands for months and still losing I just dont know . Over 1100 tournaments (approx) the math is telling me that my premium made hands lost 8/10 times against a worst hand .
Now im not gunna sit here and post a million hands to prove my point , this is just a fact . I wanted to believe in ACR but IDK man . When I play my local home games I ALWAYS crush . Now I know online and live are two different things but the same way I win in live poker is the same way I lose on ACR. Ive noticed that if you don't go all in ( even with the nuts) it seems you have a better chance to win or run deeper . The countless setups ive run into made me come up wit this theory and so far its proved right . I just call instead of reraising bc If i raise my AA will surely lose to the guys 77 or A9o lol . Maybe im the fish tho ?

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the place must be taken at the table as it is done by the organizer only he knows the won place at the table and you are a bag of money!:icon_bigs

REEKPF said:

I agree , I honestly think they could have house bots in place , but im not 100% sure . Its just weird the way im knocked out of most tourneys I play here . Dudes will go all in with 83s against AA , KK , QQ it doesnt matter , they get there everytime for a flush . AA VS AK OR AQ , they get two KK on the flop or turn and river two QQ . Ill raise big from the big blind and a limper will still call and hit 3 of a kind wit some stupid hand like K3o on a 933 board . Ive watched and had it happen to me more times than the math says is right . Some of you guys gun probably say I need to get better or I suck but thats just not the case , I know I know how to play the game and when you consistently get it in good against worst hands for months and still losing I just dont know . Over 1100 tournaments (approx) the math is telling me that my premium made hands lost 8/10 times against a worst hand .
Now im not gunna sit here and post a million hands to prove my point , this is just a fact . I wanted to believe in ACR but IDK man . When I play my local home games I ALWAYS crush . Now I know online and live are two different things but the same way I win in live poker is the same way I lose on ACR. Ive noticed that if you don't go all in ( even with the nuts) it seems you have a better chance to win or run deeper . The countless setups ive run into made me come up wit this theory and so far its proved right . I just call instead of reraising bc If i raise my AA will surely lose to the guys 77 or A9o lol . Maybe im the fish tho ?

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Here's the thing, you don't need to show trillion hands. Since the "math is telling you your premium hands lose 8/10" times, all you need to do is go to you hand histories, select AA/KK/QQ/AK aid and show the end result.

The reality is, the "math" isn't telling you anything and you're going off your bad feels. If someone lost 24 out of 30 times AA aipf HU that would be enough of an aberration of standard deviation to show something is off with the RNG.

LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.

Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.

We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.

Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.

To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.

Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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I agree with everything you said. I believe that only having a control of justice. Then we open the process.
What is the academic article you mentioned?

Rigged

LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.

Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.

We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.

Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.

To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.

Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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ACR allows HUDs which I consider cheating. I closed my account once I learned players were using HUDs.

ACR is rigged of course , but what does rigged mean. It just means you have to adjust your play to the rigging.
People want the proof. The software company that made the program would have to be subpoenaed to get the truth.
Simply the poker program they have encourages players to play recklessly, It suckers low stack players to risk their money & usually let the Big Stack (who is harder to knock out of game) suck out time & time again to eliminate the suckers to make them re-buy or move the game along. The software wants your money.

The number of times I have been dealt the same number/picture cards (and in more than a number of occasions, the same suiting as well) the following hand when playing online poker is crazy.

I can understand the losing due to variance, but having the exact same hand dealt to you twice in a row, the odds on that are 1 in 1326 and in theory should only happen roughly once in every 50 odd hours of play. I've had it happen 3 times in 2 hours.

That said, I have only experienced this in freeroll tournaments. On cash and paid tournaments, I have not seen this happen anywhere near as often and still yet to receive the same suited cards twice in a row.

Super Users

LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.

Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.

We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.

Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.

To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.

Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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I cant speak for the bots because everyone knows they are out here. However I do find it hard to believe there is alot of "Super Users" going around the sight. it's pretty obvious once suspicion is raised and they will get taken off.

I definitely AGREEE

Luvart said:

Americas Cardroom has made significant steps over the last years to become a reliable and trustworthy poker site.

But we know that nothing on the online world has the credibility and technical ability of Pokerstars when it comes to safety issues. At least for now.

It's possible to be nasty behaviours and cheating at ACR.

Report any suspicious behaviour you see.

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Anytime you feel like you are being legit cheated report it right away!!!!!

That's my opinion too. Pokerstars is the best

In my opinion, there is some cheating on every site. I'm afraid it's the nature of the beast when money is involved. You just have to be sharp enough to sniff it out and then mark those players so you don't give them action in the future.

As for ACR, it's definitely beatable as I have a positive win rate. Keep grinding and good luck.

OMG STFU
No the site is not rigged. Sure everyone has tons of proof it is but when ask to show that proof somehow it never materializes. Like many in this thread I wonder if you are so sure its rigged why are you playing there? I expecially loved this one
I've been playing there for a long time and I am 100% sure its rigged in everyway it can be
Why have you been playing there a long time if its rigged? Stop wasting your money.

my take on all of this

first time poster here. I can only relate my experience. I have played for the better part of 20 years on various sites, most often poker stars 2011 and before (when you could play in the states- when it was overseas). while off of work, I won between 50K and 100K (over a few years) playing, believe it or not, many omaha hilo sit and go's would play about 5 at a time currently, I am up about 5k on the new poker stars (in PA), again primarily on omaha.

variance CAN be a strange thing. I have a Master's degree in math, so I probably have a better sense of variability than most. speaking of which, I once went 29 sit and gos (9 player) without cashing. well, assuming I am just an average player, the likelihood of that happening is about 1 in 100,000. and this was on poker stars, where I had won money consistently, and are pretty certain they are on the up and up (they have security checks, etc.) does this mean there are not bots or something like that? you never know. it is like a political election in some sense, there is likely always going to be skullduggery, you just hope there is not too much of it.

that said, I am down about 4k on ACR lifetime, playing .25/.50 omaha cash games, and mostly 10, 20, 30 dollar tournies. its weird. it might WELL be variance. but its strange that there is this thread (granted a lot of people have defended ACR on it), but yet you do not see these threads for Bovada anywhere, at least as extensive as this.

I was one of the ones who had money in world sports exchange when they got in trouble back in 2006. (they had been graded an A by SBR until then). yes, they were almost primarily a sportsbook, but the point is that even for reputable sites, you never know what might be going on behind the scenes.

I am not going to tell you that I have seen "too many 2 outers hit" because you really have to track those things to do them justice. I will say that I believe where there is smoke, there is fire (at least often), and I have decided that something seems fishy at ACR (I dont know, maybe they just get world class players, and I give myself away there, and I take advantage of weak players at poker stars). I DON'T think that is the case, but I allow for all possibilities. I do not have proof, but the variance I have seen between ACR and poker stars makes me scratch my head, at the very least.

LedZeffelin said:

It's clear that there is cheating at ACR--everyone knows and no one can do anything because the streamers are well paid and the sloggers are well paid and because its harder to cheat at tournaments.

Many many many pros will say privately that ACR is a rigged gamed will never play there but will say very little.

We know about the bots, the colluders and the colluding bots. Not completely sure about super users.

Anyway, this thread is about your experience with cheating at ACR. Some people say quite adamantly that you suck at poker if you think there is cheating but everyone knows about ACR.

To start things off, I want to share an academic paper on how the sites can be rigged to create acton. I believe this and also believe it can be modified from zero to low to high. All the cheating this, bots, etc. Are designed to create rake and nothing else.

Please share your experiences. Mine is nine are as bad as ACR and Ive played fairly well everywhere.

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abwil2 said:

I think we all know they are definitely rigged for max action and to keep the fish around but as Americans we dont have very many options but i think all sites are the same. if they get rid of fish by odds actually being odds where will those who suck at it play? they wont. Played live for many years and online and you wont see live in months what you see in one sng with ALOT less hands

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LedZeffelin I realize this, but not only on ACR but on almost all sites, including ACR is the best room for me in terms of profits, but maybe that's because I play a lot more there. Have you ever played 888? My God it's so much worse!


abwil2

well I've tried everything, I studied many hands, and the most acceptable explanation I can find for this was exactly what you said, rake the keyword. And as you said, imagine if the deck executed punctually the equity it has to execute? the fish would be swallowed, and who deposits the most? who loses more (fish)

Cheating

Why wouldn't there be cheating? Cheating in everything in life. Specially when it comes to money. I've sat next to two other people playing on the same site. Could of easly worked together on a cash table or a sit and go.

I dont belive in cheaters. I belive that a strong poker player can outcome this tought. Improve your game, fre your mind, drink some tea and play .

Inclined to Agree

I've noticed several scenarios at ACR/BC that make me think the game is not exactly random

I don't know what you call "cheating",
but there is definitely something going on with the play algorithms

and I agree that it is most likely designed that way
to enhance the rake from rebuys and add-ons

I have thought about doing a statistical comparison of ACR table hands
with a data set obtained using a real deck of cards and standard tourney dealer guidelines

However, to get a reliable statistical result will take about 1000 (10,000 would be better) hands delt
and will be just too time consuming for me to do alone

(I figure it will take about an hour to deal 100 hands (8 player table)
and document the results of the cards on the table only)

If I could get 10--100 people to help with the project,
it would break the task down making it less demanding individually

I would provide specific guidelines for anyone wanting to participate, insuring uniformity of the data collected

I could then compile a reliable data set that could be used to make a comparison to ACR (or any) game site

(I will post results of the analysis here
for anyone who might want to check a site where they play)

**Anyone who wants to participate in this project should message me
for more information and specific guidelines


TC

I feel ya... I know or have a good feeling when I;m about to go bust. Here is the normal set up; im in the BB with TT, QQ, KK... it folds to co/btn who is always stealing weak.. they make it 2-3xbb... I re raised 10x or jam... Just feels like they think im stealing from them so they call with their weak A, crap kicker, not suited... and hit the 3 outer on the flop... other kind, same issue but they call the 3bet and jam the flop with the flop is absolute AIR to their hand.. and I call with Over pair.. they turn over junk and next card or 2 is exactly what they needed to win with... It's annoying but happens all the time... i just wish the 80-90% advantage would hold cuz i lose 75% of the time while ahead 80% of the time... doesnt add up but thats my luck

JW

What about bovada or global poker these are my go to poker sites? I can't play on PokerStars or 888 poker because I live in Texas.

What would the site have to gain by rigging the cards? I think that it's all the same. The difference is that when you play with a real deck of cards it goes much slower and you're not going to be playing at more than one table at a time. Therefore you don't see as many hands in the same time frame. There is only 52 cards in the deck. Poker happens, get used to it.

I don’t know about falsifications, maybe there is, maybe not, but as they say in Russia, something always interferes with a bad dancer. So you can’t be sure of anything, you just need to think with your head and not expect miracles.

I know that CoinPoker is rigged but I am not sure for other sites.I have played on one table CoinPoker I saw a bot he was able to pause at least for 60 seconds for a hand but me can only 20 seconds and then game move me to inactive user.That is really weird,It looks how that guy was some kind of hacker or bot it is really unfair how he have 3x more time then others to check,raise or fold.

CryptoBlood said:

I know that CoinPoker is rigged but I am not sure for other sites.I have played on one table CoinPoker I saw a bot he was able to pause at least for 60 seconds for a hand but me can only 20 seconds and then game move me to inactive user.That is really weird,It looks how that guy was some kind of hacker or bot it is really unfair how he have 3x more time then others to check,raise or fold.

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Did that happen constantly or just once? Maybe your Internet connection 'hiccupped' without you noticing it ...

You've always got choices on how to play your hand. If you think someone don't play right you could fold til you move or they are gone.

CryptoBlood said:

I know that CoinPoker is rigged but I am not sure for other sites.I have played on one table CoinPoker I saw a bot he was able to pause at least for 60 seconds for a hand but me can only 20 seconds and then game move me to inactive user.That is really weird,It looks how that guy was some kind of hacker or bot it is really unfair how he have 3x more time then others to check,raise or fold.

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Disconnections get more time, I have issues on one site more than others with connection.