Need advice. Multiple Full Tilts accounts from my computer...

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Hi Divebich. Sorry to hear about your situation. I agree with most everyone about contacting them first and being totally honest. They should be able to see it's not any of your doing, and actually more their fault than yours. You could play that card if it comes to that, but I don't think it will. I just joined a rakeback forum because I wanted to get in to their private freerolls. Two days ago they sent me an email offering to bankroll me on Cake Poker. I replied that I already have an account at Cake, but could they still do it. They replied that it was for new accounts only, but suggested that if I got another "family member" to open an account on my computer, they would consider bankrolling that person. They said that before I do this, I should contact them for "special instructions", so that Cake didn't think I was trying to create multiple accounts. Sounds fishy to me. Then, yesterday I got an email from Holiday Poker, saying they were going out of business and transferring all accounts to Cake Poker. I had about $50 in Holiday Poker. They told me to login to Cake with my Holiday user name, but with a new password they supplied in their email. Now I don't know what to do! I think I'll just email Cake and see what they say. I'd like to get the $50 from Holiday, get a rakeback account, and get bankrolled all at once, but I think that's very wishful thinking.
By the way, no hard feelings for sinking my boat on the river in the CC freeroll on Tilt today. It's just poker, and enjoyed the game while it lasted. Hope you did well.
 
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Sorry, that was terrible, but.... Ok, here's how it went down... I have a K5, in the BB probably. Flop comes KK2. I got a set of Ks. Fearfactor is UTG. I'm thinking no way he's not K2, he couldn't call that, so I'm pushing. He shoves back and I call. He's got 22, a nice little boat. A 5 comes on the river, giving me just what I needed. I hit one of my 4 outs in the deck (K or 5 or 5 or 5). I didn't last all that long myself. Got 1 bad beat, then it tilted me to shove with middle pair. lol

That does sound like a complicated situation you got there. I'm not keen on these rakebacks & stuff, so I don't know what to tell you. I have no clue what's in it for them to bankroll you, however it is a small amount. If Cake bought them out, it's probably safe. But IDK, don't have accts at any of those sites. So good luck to you too. And thanks for the kind words of encouragement. It is certainly 'more' their fault than mine, no question about it. I've been beyond reproach here, just a victim. However I am at their mercy.
 
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stevencool1 said:
for roller's info.
every mouse click. every movement,fast or slow, affects the game. this is from pstars website.
SHUFFLE

"Anyone who considers arithmetic methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin." - John von Neumann, 1951
We understand that a use of a fair and unpredictable shuffle algorithm is critical to our software. To ensure this and avoid major problems described in [2], we are using two independent sources of truly random data:
  • user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
  • true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source
Each of these sources itself generates enough entropy to ensure a fair and unpredictable shuffle.
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Well Stated stevencool1

😀 😀 😀

I agree with you 100% that Card Shufflers may use thermo noise to shuffle cards.
Random Card Generates have absolutely nothing to do with IP's or Multiple User Accounts on Specific Computers.

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It has to do with random number generators and yes it uses random variables that are intended to prevent a software application from determining or predicting the next cards in play.
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In that sense Poker Stars is using a technique that utilizes User Input and True Hardware to shuffle the cards using a RNG generator.

So in fact they use mouse movements ect ... : Called User Input
So in fact they use thermo noise: Created by a hardware number generator.
Combine these two and you have it.
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Thermo noise (not ambient noise) has nothing to do with mouse clicks, IP's, MAC addresses, User Accounts or Accounts created from specific Computers.

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Full Tilt to my knowledge uses a TRNG generator and does not use mouse movements as a factor.


Again Feeeeeelinmg the ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz of everyone.

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Sorry stevencool1 and I have slid off topic a bit. 😉

Good Luck at the tables everyone.

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Roller said:
Well Stated stevencool1

😀 😀 😀

It has to do with random number generators and yes it uses random variables that are intended to prevent a software application from determining or predicting the next cards in play.
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In that sense Poker Stars is using a technique that utilizes User Input and True Hardware to shuffle the cards using a RNG generator.

So in fact they use mouse movements ect ... : Called User Input
So in fact they use thermo noise: Created by a hardware number generator.
Combine these two and you have it.
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Thermo noise (not ambient noise) has nothing to do with mouse clicks, IP's, MAC addresses, User Accounts or Accounts created from specific Computers.

😀

Full Tilt to my knowledge uses a TRNG generator and does not use mouse movements as a factor.


Again Feeeeeelinmg the ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz of everyone.

😀 😀 😀
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Good lord! Leave it to you to not only know what mr cool was talking about but to expound on the topic. Once again, and not just because it's 1:30 AM....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 😛 😉
 
You will not believe this. At least I couldn't. There was an already email in my inbox at 12:19 PM yesterday from Fult Tilt. I had not written to them yet. 😱 😱 😱 Here's what it said, and I just replied (below) a few minutes ago.

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]>
Subject: Full Tilt Poker - Multiple Accounts (KMM11420380I15977L0KM)
To: "Ms Zombie 2U" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 12:19 PM

Hello,

This is to inform you that the following multiple accounts have been closed:

RAD227227
RonDurante
brinsontentwo
holdmenotem69
20dollarhorse
eatsleepdive
Backmeupimallin
ilive2dive
gimmebigslick23
gimmebigslick22

Your primary account divebich has been left open and you may continue using it to play.

To ensure a level playing field, our policy only allows one Full Tilt Poker account per player. We cannot allow you to use any account other than your primary account. If you would like a full explanation of our site rules, please visit our website at: http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/siteRules.php

This closure applies to all versions of the Full Tilt Poker software originally downloaded from any of our .com, .net or .org websites.

We thank you for playing at Full Tilt Poker and appreciate your understanding.

Regards,

Lia
Full Tilt Poker Support
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My reply at 10 AM 4/15:

Hi Lia,

OMG!!!! I was just getting ready to compose a long email to you. Thanks for saving me the trouble. And thanks for leaving my account intact. Do you have someone there monitoring the Cardschat forum on issues regarding Full Tilt?? Or did someone report it? It cannot be a coincidence. lol

First off, if anyone at FT has read my story on Cardschat the past 2 days, they know the creator of these accounts is in prison, and these accounts have not been touched since August. Is that right?? I hope so. Highlighted in red are the only accts I ever knew about and/or discovered in my hand history a week ago. Highlighted in blue are 2 accounts that are scuba diving related, something he would know I might like. I'm guessing that he created those accounts using my name and credit card. I swear to you I did not create these and never knew they existed.

RAD227227
RonDurante
brinsontentwo
holdmenotem69
20dollarhorse
eatsleepdive
Backmeupimallin
ilive2dive
gimmebigslick23
gimmebigslick22

And if you read my posts, you would also know that when I made my first deposit I was completely new to online poker. I never even used my bonus I was so frugal with my new bankroll, playing mostly freerolls and very small buy-ins. Never knew anything about the terms of any bonus before $80 had expired (maybe you'll like to extend it as a show of good faith?
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) So you see, I've never had a reason on earth for a 2nd acct. And I'm sure you're aware none of these accts were ever used at the same time - at least not in my home, as I've only ever had 1 computer.

AMAZING, a good 5 accounts more than I knew about yesterday. I guess it really doesn't matter where he created any of these. But what I would like to know is this:

What names and addresses did he sign all of these up under? How many deposits in how many accounts did he make with my credit card? If he opened these accounts under his name or who know whose name(s), why did Full Tilt accept my credit card for all of them? Isn't there any security system in place to assure no one is using a stolen a credit card number (which was the case here)? Wouldn't you catch the same credit card issued in the same name, being used at a new account ??? Then another, and another, and another? Surely you must know that I had no recourse through my US bank.

By the way, I'm kind of surprised you didn't catch this guy's original account name, which was acemeronnied. Also, did he any money left in any of these accts? If so, it belongs to me, but I understand if you cannot transfer it. Anyway, thanks for listening and being so pro-active about the situation. I look forward to hearing back from you soon on the aforementioned questions.

Sincerely,
Beverly Txxxxxxx (the one & only 'divebich')

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Well, I'm glad they didn't close my account, even for a short time. So what do you think? Do they have someone monitoring this forum? They sure did act on this thing PDQ, no BSing around. They had to know we were all awaiting a reply. I forgot to ask how they even found all his accts. It's conceivable this jerk deleted the entire hand history folders from my computer, but FT surely still has records. 😕 That a-hole probably thought the 20dollarhorse name was pretty damn funny. He'll probably rot in hell. Wait, he's already there. 😀

 
Just goofing that all the rigtards who claim we're just shills for the poker sites are right and that one of us let our superiors know of your issue.

Honestly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that all the major sites monitor these forums for issues and to gather info.

Doesn't really matter I guess, but I'm glad to hear the issue has been sorted.
 
WVHillbilly said:
Just goofing that all the rigtards who claim we're just shills for the poker sites are right and that one of us let our superiors know of your issue.

Honestly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find that all the major sites monitor these forums for issues and to gather info.

Doesn't really matter I guess, but I'm glad to hear the issue has been sorted.
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That's kinda what I thought, spies for the bigrigs (oops, I meant bigwigs 😉 ). It would not surprise me either. I'd be more surprised if they didn't. Remember how quick that Carbon lady came over on that foiled promo rant a few weeks ago? Ok, she was just a forum mod - I think. But if they can do it, so can FT. Thanks much, also glad the 'here and now' issue has been resolved favorably. Still hope to get a few questions answered though. No doubt, that will take them a bit more time. 🙄
 
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Right on DB glad you got that worked out🙂 or at least they did😛
 
glad to hear it got corrected.
since your into diving, do you give lessons? been wanting to learn.
hope you had a good easter. see ya at he felt.
later
 
JAMILE1 said:
Right on DB glad you got that worked out🙂 or at least they did😛
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Yes, and quicker and easier than I'd even hoped. Thanks much!

stevencool1 said:
glad to hear it got corrected.
since your into diving, do you give lessons? been wanting to learn.
hope you had a good easter. see ya at he felt.
later
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Thanks! Decent easter, hope you did too. But no, even though I have over 500 dives under my weightbest, I don't give lessons. You must be a certified scuba instructor to give lessons. There must be lots of dive shops there in the gulf. If you're serious about it, you can go to scubadiving.com, look under general chat, and you can post a thread introducing yourself and ask for recommendations in your area. Good time of year, with the water temps just starting to inch up a degree or 2. Do it, you won't regret it (unless of course you love it so much, you wind up broke, which happens a lot. Just like poker, right? Except you'll need a bigger bankroll to start with, and that bankroll can only get smaller. 😛 )

southsidecan said:
pretty sad sitution bue agrre that u shoukd contacy fulltilt and they will correct it
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Thanks, already done. 🙂

Wes747 said:
Lol so do you have your 7 posts for the day yet? The issue has been resolved (for the most part). She contacted FT already and they corrected it....
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Was thinking the same thing, but didn't have the heart to say it in my own thread. hehe
 
Actually, I'm pretty livid now with their BS...

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]> wrote:

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From: Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Full Tilt Poker - Multiple Accounts (KMM11436946I15977L0KM)
To: "Ms Zombie 2U" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 4:35 PM


Hello Beverly,

Thank you for your email.

For security and privacy reasons, we are not able to comment on any other players account.

Please know that the credit card used on your account has not been used on any other Full Tilt Poker account.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Regards,

Keith N
Security
Full Tilt Poker
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<DIV class=plainMail>Keith,


How dare you come back to me with that bald faced lie!?!? If it was NOT that exact credit card that I signed up with, I can assure you, it was a later one IN MY NAME, but with a different number. So if it was a different credit card IN MY NAME, please address how someone with a different name (or even the same name) was able to open several accts and use it. Still, it was used multiple times. And please address how a credit card in someone else's name is good enough for Full Tilt. I not only know for a fact he had NO credit cards whatsoever, and he not only admitted to me that he had used my credit card, but I have the credit card/bank statements to prove it!!! You certainly cannot prove that money ever went into my acct. Can you please have your supervisor call me? My phone # is in my account info. And just in case, it is xxxxxxxxxxxx

Beverly T (divebich)

I sent an addendum adding the stuff in red:

For security and privacy reasons, we are not able to comment on any other players account.



BTW, you're talking about security and privacy. What about MY SECURITY? This person created accts probably on my computer, and with my credit card. My money is GONE. Do you care at all about that? Or just to protect this person who opened 11 accts using someone else's credit card, who is in prison now, where he rightly belongs??!?!!!
 
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Divebitch said:
Actually, I'm pretty livid now with their BS...

--- On Wed, 4/15/09, Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]> wrote:

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From: Full Tilt Poker - Support <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Full Tilt Poker - Multiple Accounts (KMM11436946I15977L0KM)
To: "Ms Zombie 2U" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 4:35 PM


Hello Beverly,

Thank you for your email.

For security and privacy reasons, we are not able to comment on any other players account.

Please know that the credit card used on your account has not been used on any other Full Tilt Poker account.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Regards,

Keith N
Security
Full Tilt Poker
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<DIV class=plainMail>Keith,


How dare you come back to me with that bald faced lie!?!? If it was NOT that exact credit card that I signed up with, I can assure you, it was a later one IN MY NAME, but with a different number. So if it was a different credit card IN MY NAME, please address how someone with a different name (or even the same name) was able to open several accts and use it. Still, it was used multiple times. And please address how a credit card in someone else's name is good enough for Full Tilt. I not only know for a fact he had NO credit cards whatsoever, and he not only admitted to me that he had used my credit card, but I have the credit card/bank statements to prove it!!! You certainly cannot prove that money ever went into my acct. Can you please have your supervisor call me? My phone # is in my account info. And just in case, it is xxxxxxxxxxxx

Beverly T (divebich)

I sent an addendum adding the stuff in red:

For security and privacy reasons, we are not able to comment on any other players account.



BTW, you're talking about security and privacy. What about MY SECURITY? This person created accts probably on my computer, and with my credit card. My money is GONE. Do you care at all about that? Or just to protect this person who opened 11 accts using someone else's credit card, who is in prison now, where he rightly belongs??!?!!!
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I understand your frustration, but honestly they're never going to give you all the info you want. And quite frankly, you've known about these accounts for some time so your indignation kind of rings hallow after all this time.

The bad accounts are closed, your account is still open, and he no longer has any access to any of the accounts he falsely created. That's what you wanted to happen. Don't sweat the small stuff.
 
Divebitch said:
You will not believe this. At least I couldn't. There was an already email in my inbox at 12:19 PM yesterday from Fult Tilt. I had not written to them yet. 😱 😱 😱

Well, I'm glad they didn't close my account, even for a short time. So what do you think? Do they have someone monitoring this forum?
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My experience dictates that what probably happened was someone took advantage of your honesty on the forum and immediatelty reported you to FTP and provided a link to the thread.

Unfortunately, pretty much guaranteed once you opened the thread

Glad it worked out for you -- Hope they provide you with additional information
 
Not sure what they would report you for, as you hadn't done anything wrong.
 
NoWuckingFurries said:
Not sure what they would report you for, as you hadn't done anything wrong.
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Just my guess is based on my experiences on some staking forums when people fess up about something...there is always a "trusted" member sending in an email right away.

Not a far off guess that a person would report the known existance of multiple accounts. Especially since it has been highly debated over the last 12 months or so...and so many sites are trying to stop it.

Im almost convinced it isnt FTP reading forums..they just are hardly that smart--and they can barely read the emails they get directly
 
WEC said:
Just my guess is based on my experiences on some staking forums when people fess up about something...there is always a "trusted" member sending in an email right away.

Not a far off guess that a person would report the known existance of multiple accounts. Especially since it has been highly debated over the last 12 months or so...and so many sites are trying to stop it.

Im almost convinced it isnt FTP reading forums..they just are hardly that smart--and they can barely read the emails they get directly
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Hahaha! 😀
They should really have worked it out years back from the credit card details, if they were on the ball.
 
Strange the way things work out sometimes. The good news is you now know the account you really wanted to keep is the one FTP left open for you, your monies ( $600 ) are intact, and all of the rogue accounts have been dealt with and you can continue to enjoy their poker room. From that point of view I am happy for you and glad that things worked out well in that sense.
Wow at the "Ten" accounts your ex opened. Two wow's really, firstly that he managed to somehow do that, and secondly, that FTP didn't know/block what was going on long before now. Yeah I guess you are pretty much frustrated about the whole thing what with the credit card issue etc, but I think the result atm is as good as you originally hoped right?
I don't know whether pursuing the matter further is a good idea or not though, tbh if it were me I'd be happy with the way it turned out if that was what I originally hoped for. It couldn't of worked oout better really. Glad it worked out for you and maybe the best solution has already been achieved.
 
WVHillbilly said:
I understand your frustration, but honestly they're never going to give you all the info you want. And quite frankly, you've known about these accounts for some time so your indignation kind of rings hallow after all this time.

The bad accounts are closed, your account is still open, and he no longer has any access to any of the accounts he falsely created. That's what you wanted to happen. Don't sweat the small stuff.
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You probably didn;t read it all, and who could blame you, but a major correction here..... I only knew about the first acct, and after several months, I knew he created 1 more. After that, I never saw him use the first acct again. I knew of no other accts until last week in the hand histry, and the other 5 I just learned of this morning from FT. I think you're missing my point. I kissed that money goodbye loooooong ago. What I'd like to know is all the questions I asked them (the large bold font). Isn't is interesting how some have posted here that they've caught 2 accts on the same computer and closed one of them - yet when someone opens an acct and deposits money from probably 1 or 2 computers using the same credit card 8 - 10 times, they let it go, no questions asked?!?!?!? Do you not find that even a little disturbing? As some folk mentioned, they can monitor IP addresses and 'ambient noise' from your computer, but not names and credit cards? That is not advanced technolgy. It is BS.

WEC said:
My experience dictates that what probably happened was someone took advantage of your honesty on the forum and immediatelty reported you to FTP and provided a link to the thread.

Unfortunately, pretty much guaranteed once you opened the thread

Glad it worked out for you -- Hope they provide you with additional information
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You know something? That was my fear as I grappled with posting it here at all. I knew deep down, the answer would be to contact them. I was just afraid someone would beat me to it, and make it tougher to starighten things out. You're probably right. It all worked out though. Thanks!

NoWuckingFurries said:
Not sure what they would report you for, as you hadn't done anything wrong.
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WEC said:
Just my guess is based on my experiences on some staking forums when people fess up about something...there is always a "trusted" member sending in an email right away.

Not a far off guess that a person would report the known existance of multiple accounts. Especially since it has been highly debated over the last 12 months or so...and so many sites are trying to stop it.

Im almost convinced it isnt FTP reading forums..they just are hardly that smart--and they can barely read the emails they get directly
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Thanks NoWuckingFurries and WEC. Yeah who knows. If FT read it here, perhaps they simply saw I was an honest person with a problem. If someone reported it, I'll bet they actually came over and read some of it.

NoWuckingFurries said:
Hahaha! 😀
They should really have worked it out years back from the credit card details, if they were on the ball.
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Exactly! Read my reply above to WVHillbilly. I honestly thought all this time until last week that the charges were made to one acct only.

Crystal Blue said:
Wow at the "Ten" accounts your ex opened. Two wow's really, firstly that he managed to somehow do that, and secondly, that FTP didn't know/block what was going on long before now. Yeah I guess you are pretty much frustrated about the whole thing what with the credit card issue etc, but I think the result atm is as good as you originally hoped right?
I don't know whether pursuing the matter further is a good idea or not though, tbh if it were me I'd be happy with the way it turned out if that was what I originally hoped for. It couldn't of worked oout better really. Glad it worked out for you and maybe the best solution has already been achieved.
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You're absolutely right. I'm shocked too that someone could open all those accts without them realizing it. That's the problem. I no longer believe for a minute they did not know. still furious after getting their last email saying that the card used was not the one I signed up with, and no further info available to protect his privacy. Turns out is was not the credit card I signed up. I used a regular United visa or something. He took my bank ATM which was also a mastercard. But the fact still remains he opened many accounts with it. Here's what I just sent them back:

Keith,


If it was NOT that exact credit card that I signed up with, I can assure you, it was a later card IN MY NAME, but with a different number. So if it was a different credit card IN MY NAME, please address how someone with a different name (or even if he used my name) was able to open several accts and depositing in many if not all of them with that same credit card. Would you accept a deposit from me using someone else's credit card? I guess the answer is yes. I not only know for a fact he had NO credit cards whatsoever, but he admitted to me that he had used my credit card!!! I just had no idea it was used in so many accounts. Can you please have your supervisor call me? My phone # is in my account info. And just in case, it is
 
Hmmmm. I find it interesting as well, that maybe Cake Poker is monitoring the forums also, since the next day after replying to your post, and explaining my Cake situation, the money from Holiday Poker appeared in my Cake account, with no explanation or email from them. Maybe a coincidence, but it makes me wonder. Anyway, problem solved, and I'll forget about the rakeback account.
 
Divebitch said:
Keith,


If it was NOT that exact credit card that I signed up with, I can assure you, it was a later card IN MY NAME, but with a different number. So if it was a different credit card IN MY NAME, please address how someone with a different name (or even if he used my name) was able to open several accts and depositing in many if not all of them with that same credit card. Would you accept a deposit from me using someone else's credit card? I guess the answer is yes. I not only know for a fact he had NO credit cards whatsoever, but he admitted to me that he had used my credit card!!! I just had no idea it was used in so many accounts. Can you please have your supervisor call me? My phone # is in my account info. And just in case, it is
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To be fair it would be difficult for Fulltilt to know wether it was in fact you using your card to open all these accounts (you knowingly depositing money into another persons account) or it was somebody else fraudulently using your card. Online fraud is a huge problem nowdays and even the biggest banks in the world have difficulty countering it. That being said, multiple accounts (upto 11 was it) being opened and having money deposited into them from the same card should have sent a red flag up to fulltilt security immediately.

I just hope that Fulltilt does not believe that this is all kosher and turns a blind eye to these things until someone wants to withdraw.
 
FEARFACTOR said:
Hmmmm. I find it interesting as well, that maybe Cake Poker is monitoring the forums also, since the next day after replying to your post, and explaining my Cake situation, the money from Holiday Poker appeared in my Cake account, with no explanation or email from them. Maybe a coincidence, but it makes me wonder. Anyway, problem solved, and I'll forget about the rakeback account.
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Another happy ending. 🙂 Or similar to me, it could have been worse. 😛 Glad you saw your money again.

diamond_06_06 said:
To be fair it would be difficult for Fulltilt to know wether it was in fact you using your card to open all these accounts (you knowingly depositing money into another persons account) or it was somebody else fraudulently using your card. Online fraud is a huge problem nowdays and even the biggest banks in the world have difficulty countering it. That being said, multiple accounts (upto 11 was it) being opened and having money deposited into them from the same card should have sent a red flag up to fulltilt security immediately.

I just hope that Fulltilt does not believe that this is all kosher and turns a blind eye to these things until someone wants to withdraw.
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I never thought of that - sharp observations. They couldn't be sure it was without my permission. Although it would be highly unlikely to do this for 8 credit cardless friends over a month's time. Had 11 accts, yes. If I had to guess, he probably deposited in 8 or 9 of them.

And glad you get my point, it certainly should have sent a red flag. If he opened the accts with my name & used the credit card several times, that's one red flag. If he used his own or even made up names that don't match the name on the credit card, then another red flag. No getting around it, they should have caught it. When you do business online, like Amazon, and pay by credit card, don't they require your exact name and address as issued on the card? Being he had all my adress info, I guess FT or any company could argue that any card is fine, all the deposits could be gifts. I dunno.

Kosher? I made a comment to them in my first email to them that they 'must have known I had no recourse with a US bank'. Online offshore gambling is simply not covered as long as the card is active, whether it is stolen or not - read the fine print. So the bank will not go after them, and FT knows it, and that allows them to turn a blind eye. While they didn't do anything wrong, they neglected to practice due diligence. Thanks much for the comments.
 
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You're right DB I did forget (I actually did read your whole OP) that you had knowledge of only 2 account until recently. Sorry.

The truth is though that FT is never going to give you any real answers because basically they'd have to admit that they're willing to allow people to deposit by any means possible 1st and they'll only ask questions later, like when they try to withdrawal (or post on a forum apparently).

I'm sure there are just certain things that flag accounts/IPs/CC#s for review and until they hit a review FT could care less as long as the charge goes through.

BTW if you are listening FT, how bout a little boomswitch love???
 
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