WPT - Card Manipulation

I know everyone is going to say another charge of a poker site cheating,,,however, here is the actual results I have encountered,

Starting Jan 2026, played Card chat free rolls daily, ITM a few times and not a few times, accumulated in excess of $60 USD, early Feb 2026 withdrew $50 USD, from that point on played every day and got booted from tournaments within first five hands and in every case I was holding Premium cards. JJ or better. Early March managed to win a few times and again withdrew funds and again since mid march I am kicked from every WPT tournament early always holding Premium cards..... Coincidence? I think not Card manipulation? perhaps.. Isolation of particular players withdrawing funds. I Think so... I guess the answer for me is to just expect the worst and keep plugging until the losing curse is lifted?

i believe in the cashout curse .

Withdrawing is good way to make the cards go against you!

I played with OP many times and there is no way someone is going to win longterm playing like he does.

So I'm actually very surprised he is claiming he was winning there mulitple times before things got "normal". Has to be reversed riggedness!

This is no troll and no "putting-down" post etc. Just the cold hard truth. Playing an extreme variance style is going to lead to extreme variance= early busts and no itm's on many occasions. Its just how this game works.

"This post belongs in the 'rigged' megathread.

But answering here... it’s very funny. I heard Doyle Brunson once say: the main symptom of a 'bingo player' is thinking that a premium hand is always the winning hand." 🤣

so instead of cashing out 50, 60, let it reach over 200, and then play tight until the cards come back to you. At least thats what i do and it seems that it works better in my favor.
Good luck Jerry!

CDNMAN 42 said:

I know everyone is going to say another charge of a Poker site cheating,,,however, here is the actual results I have encountered,

Starting Jan 2026, played Card chat free rolls daily, ITM a few times and not a few times, accumulated in excess of $60 USD, early Feb 2026 withdrew $50 USD, from that point on played every day and got booted from tournaments within first five Hands and in every case I was holding Premium cards. JJ or better. Early March managed to win a few times and again withdrew funds and again since mid march I am kicked from every WPT tournament early always holding Premium cards..... Coincidence? I think not Card manipulation? perhaps.. Isolation of particular players withdrawing funds. I Think so... I guess the answer for me is to just expect the worst and keep plugging until the losing curse is lifted?

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It’s most likely variance, not manipulation. poker sites mainly profit from rake, not from targeting players who withdraw funds. Many players feel the same frustration losing streaks with premium hands are common over a small sample

I thank you all for your thoughts but the coincidence seems too repeditative

CDNMAN 42 said:

I thank you all for your thoughts but the coincidence seems too repeditative

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Ok so why even ask for opinions when u are that sure? There is noone here who is in the position to really confirm ur theory. Some will maybe agree but its completely irrelevant and will only show that they do not understand sample size and variance neither.

The top price in those games is around 30 bucks, buy-in in value is around 2 Bucks. Depending on how many games u played u actually ran pretty decent in general to accumulate 50+ Bucks in 1 month.

This post scares me.

Especially after that hand. You 'invested' almost 20 blinds with 78o. You couldn't fold any street hands with that board?

At the very least, you should know by heart how this villain plays to call all the way to the river.

In reality, there are no "real results" when considering data (or experience) from only one person!

Well, I have to admit I've thought that way many times (many, many times), but in the end I accept that it seems more like something in my head.

We almost always look for someone to blame, when in reality we're just not performing well or facing variance.

If that were the case, I (and other members) really wouldn't win a single cent in any poker room... I mean, like some of us who basically only play freerolls, or at least mostly... We probably don't generate any significant return for the poker sites, so if they were manipulated we'd probably never win anything.

I also think our stakes are negligible for it to make any difference for them to "steal" from us (obviously the scenario changes when we're talking about an entire field).

kunkgreen said:

If that were the case, I (and other members) really wouldn't win a single cent in any poker room... I mean, like some of us who basically only play freerolls, or at least mostly... We probably don't generate any significant return for the poker sites, so if they were manipulated we'd probably never win anything.

I also think our stakes are negligible for it to make any difference for them to "steal" from us (obviously the scenario changes when we're talking about an entire field).

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There are people who deposit large amounts on sites like that and play schedules worth multiple hundreds/thousands of dollars. Strangely those kind of players never or basically never seem to open threads about "cash-out curses" or similar. Not here, not on 2+2, not anywhere.

Its always some kind of freeroller (who mostly does not even generate enough rake to make his presence worthwhile for the site) who comes up with that stuff. In this case a guy who won 50 bucks+ from scratch paying zero rake playing in some promotional tournaments the site put up with CC to advertise the sites and the game.

Go figure...

Sunz of Beaches said:

I played with OP many times and there is no way someone is going to win longterm playing like he does.

So I'm actually very surprised he is claiming he was winning there mulitple times before things got "normal". Has to be reversed riggedness!

This is no troll and no "putting-down" post etc. Just the cold hard truth. Playing an extreme variance style is going to lead to extreme variance= early busts and no itm's on many occasions. Its just how this game works.

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Next time you are on WPT. Check my MTT winnings, they are from only freerolls. Duh

CDNMAN 42 said:

Next time you are on WPT. Check my MTT winnings, they are from only freerolls.

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They dont mean much as u cant loose money playing freerolls. Nice if u are winning in them, its not easy, but technically u have to subtract approximately 2 Bucks (=more or less buy-in value) for each game from ur winnings to see ur true profit.

How about ur real money games? 😅

I'm willing to put on my tin foil hat for a minute....

why would a poker site target a free roller who generates no rake for the site?, or any player at all?,

what do they gain by "Isolation of particular players withdrawing funds", just curious what the thought process is?

Poker cooties are just as real

MK_ said:

I'm willing to put on my tin foil hat for a minute....

why would a poker site target a free roller who generates no rake for the site?, or any player at all?,

what do they gain by "Isolation of particular players withdrawing funds", just curious what the thought process is?

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Obviously this would be automated process for all withdrawals / withdrawing players.

Most likely scenario is definitely is that the withdrawal curse is just illusion. After withdrawing you feel relief as you believe you have already won, play loosely and less focused. That's where the worse results come from.

Tinfoil hats should still be targeted at all sites as it is excellent exercise, we should never let these pesky sites get away with anything out of the ordinary! The truth is out there!

CDNMAN 42 said:

Next time you are on WPT. Check my MTT winnings, they are from only freerolls. Duh

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You do realize that even low stakes players play 'single heads-up pots' that are bigger than the biggest withdrawl you mentioned. I'm pretty sure you moving $50 around on a poker site isn't going to influence them to attempt to steal it from you. (I play pots over $50 and I'm a micro/low stakes donkey)

I'd suggest in January while it may have been cloudy outside for most of it, the sunnyside of variance was beaming down upon you.

If that were the case, I'd never earn anything, because I earn every month and withdraw every month. It's just variance.

Good morning, everyone. I started playing poker in 2018, so it's been 8 years now. In my early posts here on CardsChat, I also thought the site did some kind of manipulation to favor players with more chips, especially in KO MTTs, because the faster players get eliminated, the more they will re-register.

Over time, reading more about poker sites' RNGs, as well as the checks done by very serious companies regarding site security and reliability to detect possible fraud, I gained access to information from very trustworthy sites that explain why it makes no sense for a site to manipulate the game to harm a specific player or favor another.

The sites' biggest profit comes from casino games. Those are absurd amounts; depending on the site, it can reach 98% of their revenue — millions of dollars. Think about it: why would a site manipulate poker games to harm a player, if the money from that supposed card manipulation would just go to another player? The site's revenue from poker comes from fees charged when players register for poker games.

Let's consider expensive MTTs with a $1,050 buy-in. Suppose there are 100 players registered. The total amount is $105,000, of which $5,000 goes to the site as a fee, and $100,000 is distributed among the players who cash — generally between 15% and 30% of the field, depending on the site and the MTT. Since the site has already taken its cut, it doesn't care who wins or loses. There are players who reach final tables several times in the same month, and a few who win multiple MTTs in a row. Rest assured that the major poker sites are completely transparent and honest.

Manipulating the RNG to favor someone would bring:

• Massive criminal and reputational risk
• Loss of licenses (Curaçao, MGA, UKGC, etc.)
• Billions in damages from lawsuits

In comparison, poker profit is small next to casino games (slots, roulette, blackjack). Why risk a billion-dollar business for scraps?

Anything that is based on only 2-4 months worth of sample size is WORTHLESS(unless your playing 10-20+ MTT's at once over them 2-4 months) that's not what I think it long proven fact. Say hello variance.

Cheers!!!

Yes, you are very dangerous to the organization. Your withdrawals of $50, $60 will cause them unparalleled damage.