I didn't mention bj as a hall of famer. I just mentioned him as someone you left out. Toni had an amazing run even before the nba. He will get into the hof. He was also a freak, size to skill set ratio, way before it was more normal like today with kd type of frames. He was way better than a average role player.
The team barely fell off without him, Pippin was a mvp contender, he did indeed make those around him better and that year showed it, look at it collectively. MJ was just kobe before kobe.
Answer this... would you take wade and bosh over Pippin and rodman? I'm still stuck on you saying mj had the lesser teams compared to lbj. I'm not a fan of mj, or lbj for the record. Or kobe either... haha.
The team barely fell off without him, Pippin was a mvp contender, he did indeed make those around him better and that year showed it, look at it collectively. MJ was just kobe before kobe.
Answer this... would you take wade and bosh over Pippin and rodman? I'm still stuck on you saying mj had the lesser teams compared to lbj. I'm not a fan of mj, or lbj for the record. Or kobe either... haha.
theothermj said:
Synopsis said:
Kukoc won't make the HOF, they don't take into account anything but the NBA and I has said he had very average stats so I'm not sure what you are basing that on.He's tanked 134th on next year's list. That doesn't even take into account new names that will join each year...your stock only drops each year.
Rodman played 2 1/2 years of that run and was nearer to the end than the beginning. He struggled with suspensions and knee issues. He did play big in the play offs so I'll give ya him. Kukoc is way too much of a stretch. Averaging 11 points a game isn't going to do it.
As far as who would I take? Bosh and Wade over Rodman and Pippen? Just based on the ages of the players when they played together it would be the younger Wade/Bosh.
But the real answer I would give is as I stated and many others as well....Jordan elevated players games like no one else so I would take either and he would win.
You undervalue kukoc, and over valuing the elevating others games. If he elevated them so much, why did they barely miss a step without him?
As for kukoc, dude was a freak. He came to a team with 2 of the best of all time already in their prime, and you talk stats? Think of harden in okc behind durant and Westbrook. Toni is on the fiba top 5 of all time for a reason, people his size couldn't play how he did back then. It's become more common now, but back then he was a freak. A big man who could shoot. Was a great passer also and saw the floor like a pg.
You seem to be undervalue just about every player on the bulls to be honest. Rodman came there for a specific reason, and he played that role better than anyone in the leauge. Pippen, clearly one of the best all around players ever, grant, bj, luc, all played their roles above average. Paxton, kerr. Look at their line ups on those teams, when they lost a player, they got one who had the same type of game to replace them. You undervalue Jackson also, as he set that all up. You can't lose the best player of all time, and barely fall off man... look at teams after lebron leaves them....
As for kukoc, dude was a freak. He came to a team with 2 of the best of all time already in their prime, and you talk stats? Think of harden in okc behind durant and Westbrook. Toni is on the fiba top 5 of all time for a reason, people his size couldn't play how he did back then. It's become more common now, but back then he was a freak. A big man who could shoot. Was a great passer also and saw the floor like a pg.
You seem to be undervalue just about every player on the bulls to be honest. Rodman came there for a specific reason, and he played that role better than anyone in the leauge. Pippen, clearly one of the best all around players ever, grant, bj, luc, all played their roles above average. Paxton, kerr. Look at their line ups on those teams, when they lost a player, they got one who had the same type of game to replace them. You undervalue Jackson also, as he set that all up. You can't lose the best player of all time, and barely fall off man... look at teams after lebron leaves them....
theothermj said:
When in the 50s of the 20th century in the "Riga SKA" invited Janis KRUMINS (in the center), many twisted his finger at the temple: "What the hell does the team need a Forester?". Two years later, the entire Olympic Melbourne applauded the Forester.
