Huge 63bb Open-Shove in a Freeroll: What is our actual calling range here?

360desuite · 2026-06-22T17:04:48-0400

Hey everyone,

I was playing a $100 Freeroll on 888poker and ran into a very common but crazy situation. I wanted to hear your thoughts on how to adjust our calling ranges against these specific player types.

The Situation:

Tournament: $100 Freeroll (386/1176 players left, 50 paid).
Blinds: 75/150 (Ante 20)
Hero (Me): Stack 10,195 (~68bb). Dealt QJo in late position.
Villain: Stack 9,452 (~63bb). Random player, open-shoves All-in pre-flop!

My action: I obviously snap-folded my QJo to preserve my healthy stack. Calling 63bb with this hand seems like suicide. But seeing this made me wonder about the math and strategy against these freeroll maniacs.

My questions for the community:

Against an unknown player making a massive 63bb over-shove like this, what is your exact calling range? Do you only call with the absolute nuts (QQ+, AK)? Or do you widen it to TT+, AQ+ knowing they often do this with small pocket pairs or random Ax?
Since we are still somewhat far from the money (386 left, 50 pay) but have a big stack, should we be more willing to flip with a premium hand to become the chip leader, or just avoid the high variance entirely and wait for smaller pots?

Thanks in advance for the advice

Goggelheimer · 2026-06-22T17:20:41-0400

888 has a nice Preflop Stats HUD(Circle with number at the avatar, it is clickable), this may help to identify if the player is more on the maniac or nitty side of the player pool.

Folding QJ o is the right move there. Your range selctions are resonable widening up a bit can be ok if the player is more in the 40 or 50 VPIP Range, but for unknowns a conservative hand selection is OK.

najisami · 2026-06-22T17:44:18-0400

I think that fold was the right thing to do no matter what the situation is.
It's whether you're totally dominated or risking all that effective stack for a flip that you could easily lose.
You have a large enough stack to keep going and maybe even win the tourney.

360desuite · 2026-06-22T18:01:57-0400

najisami said:
I think that fold was the right thing to do no matter what the situation is.
It's whether you're totally dominated or risking all that effective stack for a flip that you could easily lose.
You have a large enough stack to keep going and maybe even win the tourney.

Just out of curiosity : how short would my stack need to be for you to consider calling with QJo in this exact spot? If we were both sitting at around 12 to 15 big blinds instead of 60+, does it become a standard call against a maniac's open-shove, or is it still too marginal?

360desuite · 2026-06-22T18:04:52-0400

Goggelheimer said:
888 has a nice Preflop Stats HUD(Circle with number at the avatar, it is clickable), this may help to identify if the player is more on the maniac or nitty side of the player pool.

Folding QJ o is the right move there. Your range selctions are resonable widening up a bit can be ok if the player is more in the 40 or 50 VPIP Range, but for unknowns a conservative hand selection is OK.

That is an nice tip about the 888poker built-in HUD! I honestly hadn't realized that the circle next to the avatar was actually a clickable stat.

In real im I've recently started venturing into online poker, and honestly, it was my ignorance not to research about these VPIP stats earlier. Thanks for the tip about the 888 HUD!

Goggelheimer · 2026-06-22T18:07:53-0400

360desuite said:
That is an nice tip about the 888poker built-in HUD! I honestly hadn't realized that the circle next to the avatar was actually a clickable stat.

In real im I've recently started venturing into online poker, and honestly, it was my ignorance not to research about these VPIP stats earlier. Thanks for the tip about the 888 HUD!

But don´t overvalue it. very reliable Stats beginn after 50 hand better 200 hands +.

360desuite · 2026-06-22T18:13:16-0400

Goggelheimer said:
But don´t overvalue it. very reliable Stats beginn after 50 hand better 200 hands +.

For examplo of my question.

In PokerStars freerolls, the initial stack is usually very short (1,000 chips) and the blinds structure is super fast (turbo). This causes Big Blind to "eat" its stack in a very short time. As everyone starts giving All-in like crazy, there comes a time when you are forced to give the call or shove with medium hands (such as low pairs, KJo, QJo or weak A-x) just not to be swallowed by the blinds. And if you don't have a balance lra rebuy you're out ems egudnos

Goggelheimer · 2026-06-22T18:17:18-0400

Search the internet for Push and Fold Nash Ranges.

najisami · 2026-06-22T18:56:53-0400

360desuite said:
Just out of curiosity : how short would my stack need to be for you to consider calling with QJo in this exact spot? If we were both sitting at around 12 to 15 big blinds instead of 60+, does it become a standard call against a maniac's open-shove, or is it still too marginal?

Against a maniac, I would consider shoving.

SpanRmonka · 2026-06-22T19:05:26-0400

I still don't think this is a call, K high and A high are beating you, and I'd rather be the one shoving with QJo hoping for folds than calling off with only 1 way to win the hand

Sunz of Beaches · 2026-06-22T21:02:36-0400

najisami said:
Against a maniac, I would consider shoving.

He asked

360desuite said:
does it become a standard call against a maniac's open-shove, or is it still too marginal?

Against a total maniac its imo ok to call off there 12-15bb in a freeroll. If he shoves every hand then definitely.

Nameless14 · 2026-06-22T21:13:14-0400

I think your fold with QJo is completely standard. Calling off 63bb with QJo against an unknown player would be far too loose, even in a freeroll.

For an unknown opponent making a 63bb open-shove, I'd generally start quite tight. Something like QQ+, AK for sure, and then maybe JJ-TT and AQ depending on the specific player pool and any reads I have. In freerolls, you'll sometimes see complete nonsense, but you'll also run into players who only do this with premiums.

As for the second question, with 68bb and still hundreds of players left, I'm not looking to avoid variance completely, but I'm also not trying to take marginal flips for my entire stack. Building a stack is important, but preserving a strong stack has value too. I'd happily get it in with a clear edge, but I'm not calling off 60+ big blinds just because it's a freeroll.

One thing I've learned from freerolls: when someone makes a play that looks crazy, don't assume it's weak. Sometimes it's 72o, and sometimes it's AA. 😄

Lodestone · 2026-06-22T21:15:12-0400

Depends on how often they're shoving. If they do it once every 100 hands they probably have kk+

If they do it every 10 hands its probably Ax and broadways

360desuite · 2026-06-22T21:23:25-0400

It's certainly tempting to pay a player known for playing crazy to double the chips quickly, but I agree that risking my entire participation in the tournament with a fringe hand like QJo is a very high variance for this phase of a freeroll. In any case, there's no reason to sacrifice every tournament for a crazy call. haha

I totally changed my personal perspective. Especially considering that, many times, the prize for the first and the last place finisher is the same.

lebenlang · 2026-06-23T04:52:50-0400

I am convinced that jQo is not good enough to be able to call the ALL_IN command with 63bb

Poker Orifice · 2026-06-23T05:52:22-0400

360desuite said:
It's certainly tempting to pay a player known for playing crazy to double the chips quickly, but I agree that risking my entire participation in the tournament with a fringe hand like QJo is a very high variance for this phase of a freeroll. In any case, there's no reason to sacrifice every tournament for a crazy call. haha

I totally changed my personal perspective. Especially considering that, many times, the prize for the first and the last place finisher is the same.

Some of the advice in this thread makes me wonder...
In a freeroll I'm hoping there will be LOTS of spots where you can easily pick up relatively 'low-risk' chips. If you know how to play postflop poker in the early levels (or when stacks are relatively deep) there's no way you should ever be calling off in marginal spots. Why? Why would you consider it?
How many chips were you losing by folding? Zero. Players like that (and many others in a game like that) won't even be noticing that you're folding constantly to their spewy aggression so when you take a stand with a top tier hand, they'll probably still give you action because they are clueless... they like to spew chips... they read somewhere on the internetzz that it is good to be AGGRO... they want their buddies to write "VAMOOO!" in the chat.

Chips will be very easy to pick up. Don't take unnecessary risks.

PS - you don't win a tournament in the first couple levels.

Poker Orifice · 2026-06-23T05:55:29-0400

najisami said:
Against a maniac, I would consider shoving.

How do you shove vs. a shove?
For arguments sake lets just say you meant 'call'. Why would you call when you're maybe flipping at best vs. a terrible player who you should be able to easily acquire chips from?

fundiver199 · 2026-06-23T06:33:13-0400

I this situation I would assume, the opponent is some random freerool donk trying to go for the quick bust or dubble. So I would call somewhat wide like maybe AQ+, 99+. If I bust, it was just a freeroll, so whatever. QJ is of course an easy fold, since you are behind to even hands as bad as A6o or K9o.

360desuite · 2026-06-23T16:24:08-0400

Poker Orifice said:
Some of the advice in this thread makes me wonder...
In a freeroll I'm hoping there will be LOTS of spots where you can easily pick up relatively 'low-risk' chips. If you know how to play postflop poker in the early levels (or when stacks are relatively deep) there's no way you should ever be calling off in marginal spots. Why? Why would you consider it?
How many chips were you losing by folding? Zero. Players like that (and many others in a game like that) won't even be noticing that you're folding constantly to their spewy aggression so when you take a stand with a top tier hand, they'll probably still give you action because they are clueless... they like to spew chips... they read somewhere on the internetzz that it is good to be AGGRO... they want their buddies to write "VAMOOO!" in the chat.

Chips will be very easy to pick up. Don't take unnecessary risks.

PS - you don't win a tournament in the first couple levels.

completely agree! Having the patience to just fold and wait for the crazy players to spew their chips is exactly how I managed to ship 4 of these tournaments recently. Patience definitely pays off!

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