You hold the best STARTING hand. You do NOT hold the nuts. If I am correct, 56, 67, and 78 are all roughly 23% against AA. So with AA you are, at least, 77% likely to win (pre-flop). Assuming other all in players have at least unsuited connectors (some should have much better) the odds against two would be 0.77 * 0.77 or 59%. The odds against three already all in are likely 0.77 * 0.77 * 0.77 or 45%. If you are willing to put your tournament life on a coin flip go for it. Otherwise fold AA if there are three others all in before you. You bet 3, 4, 5 BB before the flop to get money in the pot and see what the flop brings. Shoving every time with AA before the flop is not a good idea in my opinion.FrothyGoodness said:
gwj63 said:
The only time to fold AA pre is if you are doing it to move up in pay at a tournament and make a decision not to play any hand. If you are playing to win obviously you want to call but if you want to survive to make the money or move up a spot, than folding is okay. AA is frequently cracked.
By all statistical odds you are ahead of any other player (provided they don't also hold A-A) so why would you fold. Sure the flop could go against you, but you are more likely to have a successful show down than. The odds are in your favour, even if you are on the bubble, I see it difficult to fold. I'd snap call if that was me...
I have only seen AA folded one time which made a lot of sense to to me. That was in bubble play. wsop one more to get knocked out before the money and a player insta-folded pocked aces - he did not even flinch.
Now that is a big lay down for a big reason! I am not sure if I would lay pocket aces down pre-flop not even in the situation explained above. Probably if my tourney was at risk or if the flop is dangerous but it would take quite a bit to get me to fold the best pre-flop stating hand.
Now that is a big lay down for a big reason! I am not sure if I would lay pocket aces down pre-flop not even in the situation explained above. Probably if my tourney was at risk or if the flop is dangerous but it would take quite a bit to get me to fold the best pre-flop stating hand.
Back in the early 2000 I eas watching a tv show that had daniel Negranu as a guest and they started playing poker...
They were all having a pleasant converastion, and in the very first hand, negranu is under the gun, first to act, sees his hole cards...AA. One second later he folded and continued the conversation like nothing.
My jaw has never dropped that low in my life, never in my life I'd consider or even thought about laying down aces... Now in retrospective, negranu ended up winning the whole game, after all, these players weren't pros or even experiencied poker players... This wasn't a poker show, they just had Negranu as a guest and decided to play poker.
My guess is that Negranu didn't really needed the aces that early in game and he was actually enjoying the conversation and didn't want to send a few participants out of the game so fast...
This has mind-boggled me for so long, and yet made me respect Negranu a lot.
They were all having a pleasant converastion, and in the very first hand, negranu is under the gun, first to act, sees his hole cards...AA. One second later he folded and continued the conversation like nothing.
My jaw has never dropped that low in my life, never in my life I'd consider or even thought about laying down aces... Now in retrospective, negranu ended up winning the whole game, after all, these players weren't pros or even experiencied poker players... This wasn't a poker show, they just had Negranu as a guest and decided to play poker.
My guess is that Negranu didn't really needed the aces that early in game and he was actually enjoying the conversation and didn't want to send a few participants out of the game so fast...
This has mind-boggled me for so long, and yet made me respect Negranu a lot.
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No, I'd never fold AA pre flop, maybe you were lucky to see SUPERMANDAN13 recless playing and lucky draw. AA probabillity is 85,3% in 2 players and 73,4% in 3 players, huge from my point of view. If you are missing that probabillity....vox1er said:
vox1er said:
I guess that question depends on a couple of factors. do you feel like its a setup? IE you have won or would have won the last few hands in a row or been on a streak and its the ultimate cooler in otherwords. Does the tournament matter to you IE would it hurt you to go out before payouts? how have you done with them the last few times you played them if you lost then odds are more likely that this time itll be in your favor.
just some of the things I consider before I shove with my aces.
Hindsight is 20/20. You think because you would have lost the hand had you not folded, you think folding was the correct decision??? Not in my mind. If there are 4 or 5 callers then AA is an underdog against the field. But it is a favorite against each hand individually. Do you play poker expecting to win every single hand?? That's not even in the realm of possibility. Like I said, hindsight is 20/20.
I always remember that teacher that folded AA preflop cause he had set up a goal of his own to reach the amount of money he already had reached, and didn't want to lose it. Turns out another player had 66, and that guy made another pair of 66, flopping quads. Could have been ugly for the AA man. It's somewhere on YT.
Nice hand, good example of a smart cold-blooded play, sir. I folded AA preflop once but recently I didn't fold AA on the bubble, lost to 72 and it costed me about $12 of payouts. Not much but still a mistake and a reminder for the rest of my life (or nearest weeks at least).
If you are folding AA preflop in a $2 tournament then the game of poker is not for you. Time to pick up another hobby. Unless this is a satellite tournament nearing the bubble where you have no need to take any risks then folding aces is never happening preflop. The goal is to make good decisions in poker, and folding the best possible starting hand is not a good decision. Getting your chips in ahead is the primary objective. Results in this particular hand aside (you don’t know what’s coming so you certainly can’t justify the fold preflop) you are a heavy favorite to win this pot in many cases.
I never would've folded in that spot . I don't like playing against multiple players but you would still be in the tourny . I can't see any possible reason to fold in that spot . But lucky for you , you did . Congrats . I hope you finished well in the end .