Is late registration worth it?

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What's everyone's opinion on late registration in MTTs?

Sometimes I like registering early because I can play with a deeper stack and get a better feel for the table. On the other hand, late registration can save time and sometimes gives you a chance to enter a tournament without playing the very early levels.

The downside is obviously starting with a smaller stack relative to the blinds.

Do you normally register as soon as the tournament starts, or do you prefer registering later?
 
hoachec said:
What's everyone's opinion on late registration in MTTs?

Sometimes I like registering early because I can play with a deeper stack and get a better feel for the table. On the other hand, late registration can save time and sometimes gives you a chance to enter a tournament without playing the very early levels.

The downside is obviously starting with a smaller stack relative to the blinds.

Do you normally register as soon as the tournament starts, or do you prefer registering later?
Both options are acceptable. I register in most cases before the tournament starts, but sometimes I can register 5 minutes before the end of late registration. It does not actually affect the result. I have won tournaments in different ways.
 
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I prefer to register from the beginning. I think it gives me more chances to build a stronger and more structured stack while the blinds are still low. You can accumulate chips without having to take too many risks, which gives you more flexibility later in the tournament.
 
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I think if you search youtube there is a video about this topic. I believe ( Don't quote me on this ) the results were that you have bigger chance to get into money by late registration, but there were few caveats for it.

Personally I would like to build bigger stack from the start.
 
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fzap1983 said:
I prefer to register from the beginning. I think it gives me more chances to build a stronger and more structured stack while the blinds are still low. You can accumulate chips without having to take too many risks, which gives you more flexibility later in the tournament.
how do we build a 'structured stack'? What is a 'structured stack'? Is this Live poker term? I mean is a structured stack when you have your chips neatly stacked
 
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Poker Orifice said:
how do we build a 'structured stack'? What is a 'structured stack'? Is this Live poker term? I mean is a structured stack when you have your chips neatly stacked

Sorry, English isn't my first language, so sometimes I use words that sound a little too formal because they're the ones I find in dictionaries. What I meant was that registering from the beginning gives me a better chance to build a bigger stack gradually, without having to worry about my stack getting smaller too quickly with every bet.
 
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It worth if you are a little bit late for the tournament you was planning to play or if you are playing sattelite tournaments (so you'll be closer to the final prize; this works even better if you are playing cheap satellites with a large field and a big quantity of paid places).
 
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hoachec said:
Sometimes I like registering early because I can play with a deeper stack and get a better feel for the table. On the other hand, late registration can save time and sometimes gives you a chance to enter a tournament without playing the very early levels.

The very early orbits are where all the fish are giving away their chips.

hoachec said:
The downside is obviously starting with a smaller stack relative to the blinds.

This is a big downside. We want to build a stack for the middle and late stages. If we sit down just before registration closes, we guarantee that we have a meh stack for the middle stages. If we sit down on time, we give ourself the best opportunity to build a stack by taking chips from as many dumb fish as possible.

But we could get sucked out in the first level by some bingo player! Yes, we could. So? If we get sucked out early in a freezeout we win 0 money. If we start with 33bb just before registration closes and struggle to finish somewhere in the middle of the order, we win 0 money. We are more likely to win 0 money if we start late.
 
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fzap1983 said:
Sorry, English isn't my first language, so sometimes I use words that sound a little too formal because they're the ones I find in dictionaries. What I meant was that registering from the beginning gives me a better chance to build a bigger stack gradually, without having to worry about my stack getting smaller too quickly with every bet.
ah ok. Thanks. I wasn't sure. Was wondering if it was some 'new' term being used.

gl on the tables!
 
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At first glance, this seems convenient: why board early, risking being knocked out, when you can board right before check-in closes.You actually come into the game fresher than your opponents who are playing from the start.The downside of playing with a short stack is that it's harder to realize an advantage.
 
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Sometimes I do start early and then other times I get in late and I never can tell if I will make it to the final.
I have to say it can be less expensive in rebuys.
 
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Late registration can be good for saving time, but you’ll start with fewer chips and less room to play. I usually prefer registering early to build a deeper stack.
 
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lolpeura said:
I think if you search youtube there is a video about this topic. I believe ( Don't quote me on this ) the results were that you have bigger chance to get into money by late registration, but there were few caveats for it.

This is completely false. There is no better chance to get into the money by joining late. In fact, if we have a skill edge, we have a better chance to cash by sitting down on time.
 
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dreamer13 said:
At first glance, this seems convenient: why board early, risking being knocked out, when you can board right before check-in closes.You actually come into the game fresher than your opponents who are playing from the start.The downside of playing with a short stack is that it's harder to realize an advantage.

i don't agree with this at all. Fresher? After 2 or 3 levels? Nahh!

And the main point here that is always made is the downside of sitting down on time is that you could get sucked out early. So what? We win 0. If we start late with a short stack, we very likely win 0 anyways. Any player who is afraid of felting early getting sucked out by a fish ... is a fish.
 
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I usually prefer to register early since having a bigger stack gives me more flexibility and time to get a feel for the table. That said, late registration can be convenient when I don’t want to spend extra time playing the early levels
 
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lolpeura said:
I would not call it false, but its pretty interesting to read 🤔. I still personally wont vouch for it, but seems like stats do.

Not sure if you intended that video to start at 18 mins, but nothing there shows any advantage nor any stats. All that he shows is how to play icm right from the get go, which is itself a disadvantage. Sure, if we are better at icm than most, but if we are then we are probably just better at POKER than most so we should sit down on time with a full stack and go fishing!! I mean icm is always kinda seat-of-the-pants no matter how good we are at it? Why would we want to throw away our safety net and start short? It's stupid. The early stages are the best time to play nice tight and aggressive poker with safe deep stacks to survive variance. As soon as we go icm, variance = fatal wounds!

The opening lines are total bulls**t. By regging late your stack is NOT worth more than you paid for it. It's worth the same as anybody else's regardless of when it was bought-in. This video even admits that.

His graph at 2:55 is WRONG because it does not take into account stacks. It assumes all entries are equal skill but it makes no assumption about stacks, and the late reg stack is guaranteed to be much shorter than the leaders. This is a fatal error in the calculation. Notice that his graph seems to show that we have a better chance of winning with a shorter stack than with an equal stack! Not hard to see how ridiculous that assumption is. Don't be fooled.

Put it this way. We have Negreanu, Ivey and Kenney. All arguably equal skill. They all have equal stacks. What are the chances that Negreanu wins? About 33%. But now let's give Negreanu half the stack of the other 2. What are his chances of winning now? About 20%? So now how much do you believe that sitting down with a short stack in late reg will improve your chances of winning given equal skill? The answer is none. It will actually DECREASE your chances of a high cash.

At 2 minutes he claims that your chances of cashing higher increases by regging late since many have already busted out is also pure BULL. The players with the best chance to cash highly are the ones with the bigger stacks when reg closes. If you join late you will have one of the SMALLER stacks when reg closes. If you join late, you decrease your chances of finishing near the bottom but you also decrease your chances of finishing near the top. All that you increase is your chance of finishing in the MIDDLE, and what does the middle pay? The same as the bottom: NOTHING! SWEET F A!

The tournament starts with 100bb. If you register just before level 3, you play 1 orbit with 50bb and then soon you are at 33bb. Guaranteed that there are a couple of stacks at your table that have 100-150bb or more because they sat down on time and won some big pots, either by exploiting fish or by being a buttlucky fish themselves. Do you want to go up against them with only 33bb? You better hope that none of them are sitting on your left. Good luck with that.

Then we have the complete fools who think that if you sit down on time the purse is say 150 buy-ins but if you sit down late it's say 250 buy-ins so you're sitting down for a bigger purse. News flash: the folks on your left and right who sat down on time are playing for the same 250 buy-ins, ya schmuck!! Like they didn't think that the purse would grow before reg closed. At least the guy in this video is smart enough not to make that bogus claim.

All of these online 'gurus' who think they are outsmarting population by doing something simple like late registration. It's stupid. Ask Negreanu. "Be in your seat on time. Use your skill edge. Make more money." Don't overthink it.
 
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hoachec said:
What's everyone's opinion on late registration in MTTs?

Sometimes I like registering early because I can play with a deeper stack and get a better feel for the table. On the other hand, late registration can save time and sometimes gives you a chance to enter a tournament without playing the very early levels.

The downside is obviously starting with a smaller stack relative to the blinds.

Do you normally register as soon as the tournament starts, or do you prefer registering later?
I feel like in big tournaments with a huge number of players, late registration is too late to be worth it. It makes more sense when the tournament has a smaller field.
 
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hoachec said:
What's everyone's opinion on late registration in MTTs?

Sometimes I like registering early because I can play with a deeper stack and get a better feel for the table. On the other hand, late registration can save time and sometimes gives you a chance to enter a tournament without playing the very early levels.

The downside is obviously starting with a smaller stack relative to the blinds.

Do you normally register as soon as the tournament starts, or do you prefer registering later?
I usually prefer registering a little later. It saves time and I don’t mind missing the first few levels. But I try not to register too late because starting with a short stack can make the tournament much harder.
For me, it really depends on the structure and how many big blinds I have when I enter.
 
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What's everyone's opinion on late registration in MTTs?

I usually have a schedule planned for my poker sessions and my default is to play the games from the start as this way there are quite a few advantages, especially if you are 'better' than the players in the field - you can reduce variance as you play at max stack depth (I like deepstack mtts with starting stacks sizes from 150 to 300+ big blinds), so you can exploit weak players (fish/whales/bad regs...) and build a big stack without risking all your chips like it happens mid to late game when often the strategy becomes just a fold/shove game (when stacks go under 20 BBs), plus you can also gather info on your opponents that can prove valuable in important spots against them... so, while I do understand the pros of the 'late reg strategy' to usually just finish ITM (min cash) - ICM equity boost, often better overall EV, plus the fact that you play way less* late reg can last sometimes even hours... I find it less attractive and if I do this often, I don't feel like I can play poker long-term...
 
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Who are comfortable to fire bullets and trying to make big stacks during early stage of game for them certainly conducive and worth it
 
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If you are very disciplined then late reg is perfect I do it often and most pros do also and ive had success
 
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I like late registration in some tournaments. Lots of times late registration ends early. Do you know what that means? It means I am in the money, I have already won after playing for 6 minutes and haven't spent 2 hours and 54 minutes to be in the money. I can't turn $0 into money if I lose 20 minutes into a tournament that just started. I can turn money won from being ITM after only 6 minutes of play into a bigger bankroll, by registering at the last moment in some tournaments that have late registration.
 
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I always prefer to register early if I have the time, because having a bigger stack gives me more flexibility after the flop and allows me to get to know the table better. The late registration does have some value, especially when you don't have much time, but it all depends on the structure and how comfortable I am playing short-stacked. 🤔😅
 
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