Tournament canceled after more than two hours of play

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Well if 'juvenile' stuff attracts more players willing to lose money to you, shouldn't this be beter for you? And also there are throwables on PS. And what about the Pumpkin avatars on ACR?

Questionable stuff with Bilzerian, again, its just to atract more players which is good. When hes gona lose all his money and popularity i think they are gona break up with GG. This is simply business.

Main thing is - they do stuff. They develop their room. And PS havent done much in decades. It kind of hurting my eye to see this windows 2000 style.

But anyway, this conversation is not about this. GG took over is just a fact. Right now as we speak there are 60k players online on GG and only 18 on PS. Conversation is about the 'real' cause of PS cancelling the tournament. So for example if you play there for a long time can you prove or disprove that they give away 10k tickets to some tournament very often?
fundiver199 said:
In this statement for instance:

Now which poker room is "best" or "most advanced" is of course a matter of personal taste, and since I cant play on GG Poker, I have no personal experience with them. I do think, there are a lot of disadvantages to this site though including:

* Ridiculous terms and conditions
* No SnGs
* Lots of juvenile stuff with avatars etc.
* Shady ambassadors like Dan Bilzerian
* More casino like poker games than other sites
* Still no license in several markets

I am not arguing, that the site is popular and has grown its player base rapidly over the last years. But lots of things are popular without being very good. Like for instance drugs or Donald Trump 🙂
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abgvedr said:
give away 10k tickets to some tournament very often?
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Cause if they do, then it's too obvious of a red flag to ignore. And if they don't well maybe im seeing ghosts. Weird that you did not adress this question first, since you proly know the answer, and this is obviously prety important key in my conspiracy theory.

And btw can you tell me whats up with their terms and conditions? I never read them and it might take me too long to read and figure whats up. If you can help me that would be awesome.

And by the way i play more on ACR.
 
abgvedr said:
Well if 'juvenile' stuff attracts more players willing to lose money to you, shouldn't this be beter for you?
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It is, and it would not deter me from playing on the site. But it also does not make me conclude, that GG Poker is such a fantastic site.

abgvedr said:
Questionable stuff with Bilzerian, again, its just to atract more players which is good.
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The issue, I have with this is, that they are promoting someone, who most likely made his entire wealth from money stolen by his dad, and who have then proceeded to scam other people out of their money, until his house of cards came tumbling down recently. To me this is simply to low of a moral standard for any company, regardless which business they are in. Might not be enough to deter me from playing there, but it certainly lowers my view of GG Poker and prevents me from labeling them a "great company".

abgvedr said:
Main thing is - they do stuff. They develop their room. And PS havent done much in decades. It kind of hurting my eye to see this windows 2000 style.
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This is simply just not true. There have been lots of updates on PokerStars over the years, and they have introduced many new games, although some of them only for a limited amount of time. Personally I think, PokerStars have great software, so I completely disagree with you on this.

Also about inventions, if these are all the casino like games on GG Poker, then this is only good for shareholders and not for serious poker players, so why would I praise this? I cant prevent sites from offering such games or people from playing them, but I certainly dont need to praise it, and say, that the site currently leading this development is the best of all.

abgvedr said:
GG took over is just a fact. Right now as we speak there are 60k players online on GG and only 18 on PS.
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No idea where you get these numbers from? According to PokerScout these are the numbers, as we speak:

GG Poker - 7 day average 5.000 - players online 65.767

PokerStars - 7 day average 5.200 - players online 55.540
PokerStars Europe - 7 day average 1.000 - players online not stated
PokerStars.it - 7 day average 450 - players online 6.590
PokerStars PA - 7 day average 260 - players online not stated
PokerStars.in - 7 day average 220 - players online 55.540
PokerStars MI - 7 day average 190 - players online not stated
PokerStars NJ - 7 day average 90 - players online 55.540

All PokerStars sites combined - 7 day average 7.410 - players online?

I did not compute the total number of players online on PokerStars, since some numbers are missing, and others seem to be erroneously copied from the main site. But in cash games PokerStars still draw around 50% more players than GG Poker. So while GG Poker have grown a lot, they are still quite a bit behind PokerStars in volume. Not that I really care much about this, but others apparently do, so lets get the facts straight 🙂

abgvedr said:
Conversation is about the 'real' cause of PS cancelling the tournament.
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The "real" cause for the cancellation was, that the tournament froze for 30-40 minutes, and at that point they made an appropriate decision to cancel it and pay out the 1M pricepool in accordance with their cancellation policy. Thats certainly, what I would have wanted them to do, had I not bust an hour or two earlier, when the tournament was still running perfectly fine and normal.

abgvedr said:
So for example if you play there for a long time can you prove or disprove that they give away 10k tickets to some tournament very often?
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I have no idea, but promotions are quite common in online poker, and obviously this 1M tournament for only 11$ was a promotional event. Which badly backfired, since they had to cancel it. As others have said, this was a nightmare of an outcome for them, and I dont think, the software engineers are going to get a promotion from this one 😉

Just as a final remark I stated, that I think, GG Poker is a "shitty" site. These are to strong words, especially because I have only been able to look at them from the outside. But I also dont think, GG Poker is a great site, so I am not particularly sad, I am unable to play there. I do think, its good for players, that there is competition though, so in that sense I am happy, GG Poker has emerged to keep PokerStars and other sites on their toes 🙂
 
kcanuck said:
No, you can say you were chip leader at the right time to be recorded in the top position.😛
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No, I was not a chip leader. However, I felt angry, so the chip leader would be more angry than me, I think, even if he won more than $200 because the first place winner would have won $100k. In general, this is what happened and we cannot change anything, good luck to all
 
fundiver199 said:
No idea where you get these numbers from? According to PokerScout these are the numbers, as we speak:
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On both GG and PS there is a counter showing how many players online. And its always 3x biger on GG. Dunno, i dont have much reasons to not believe those counters. Also i think i have read somwhere few months ago that GG took over.

fundiver199 said:
The "real" cause for the cancellation was, that the tournament froze for 30-40 minutes, and at that point they made an appropriate decision to cancel it and pay out the 1M pricepool in accordance with their cancellation policy.
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Its like saying that life exist on Earth because some asteroid bring it here. (But where it come to that asteroid?) Not answering the question and redirecting the focus on some other stuff. The real problem is not why they cancelled it, but why it froze.

fundiver199 said:
I have no idea, but promotions are quite common in online poker, and obviously this 1M tournament for only 11$ was a promotional event. Which badly backfired, since they had to cancel it. As others have said, this was a nightmare of an outcome for them, and I dont think, the software engineers are going to get a promotion from this one
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Weird that you have no idea. I do not play too much on PS but i remember they had such 11 buck with 1 milion GTD i think in spring, and i do not remember any freerolls giving away tickets to that event. But maybe im wrong i dont know. And also i saw on twitch plenty people won more tickets to it from some 55 cent satelite.

Well okay. I guess the real reasons will remain a mistery.
 
abgvedr said:
On both GG and PS there is a counter showing how many players online. And its always 3x biger on GG. Dunno, i dont have much reasons to not believe those counters.
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It could easily be a case of the two counters working in a different way. The one on the PokerStars site says "players on our tables", which is not the same as the "players online" number reported by PokerScout. The reason is, a player can be logged on but not currently active on any tables. Or a site can choose to count people multitabling as one player or as ten players, if they are on ten tables. For these reasons I have always preferred to look at PokerScouts cash table counts, because they are at least comparable between sites.

abgvedr said:
Also i think i have read somwhere few months ago that GG took over.
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A few weeks ago the 7 day average for cash players on GG Poker exeeded that on PokerStars.com for the first time, and this story was told on several poker sites including CC. The reason was of course, it was a good story. As with so much other news stuff, it was not the whole story though, since it ignored the fact, that PokerStars run all those sites, which I listed.

But admittedly if you only look at, which site had the largest cash player pool gathered in one place, then GG Poker took that crown a few weeks ago. Currently PokerStars have retaken it with their .com site, and it would not be surpricing to see this swing back and forth for a while.

abgvedr said:
The real problem is not why they cancelled it, but why it froze.
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Because these very large fields put tremendous load on the servers. It has happened before and will likely happen again at some point in the future. One might also ask, why they select to run such a tournament, when they know from experience, it might cause problems. And the answer is probably, that it was a wish from the marketing department rather than the software engineers. The engineers almost certainly prefer "phase" tournaments instead, because they dont put so much load on the servers.

abgvedr said:
I do not play too much on PS but i remember they had such 11 buck with 1 milion GTD i think in spring, and i do not remember any freerolls giving away tickets to that event.
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In the sping far more people were playing on PokerStars and other western facing sites, because a lot of countries had COVID-19 restrictions. Now these have been lifted, and therefore there has been a huge drop in the number of people playing on sites like PokerStars, 888 Poker and PartyPoker.

GG Poker has not seen these same swings, because a lot of their player pool is situated in Asia. Actually GG Poker might even be seing a small boost in activity right now because of COVID-19 restrictions in some asian countries, that only now feel the full force of the pandemic like Thailand and Indonesia.
 
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