What is the point of the very deep stack freerolls?

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The gameplay is very inconsistent. One hand you'll have a standard tournament hand, then the next you'll have a6o vs a8o for a 400bb pot that was all in pre-flop. One of the PP freerolls I just finished started 300bb deep. It was a complete clown fiesta.

Even the CC freerolls might start too deep or have structure issues- given the commonality of 5 way allins in the first level. With a top heavy reward structure there is a lot of incentive to get it all in quickly because of only paying the top 50 regardless of entrants. Winning a 5 way all in in the first level might mean cashing while losing costs nothing. If the structure was flatter there would be a bigger incentive to actually play.
 
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To learn the game, you need to play all stack sizes.
 
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Lodestone said:
The gameplay is very inconsistent. One hand you'll have a standard tournament hand, then the next you'll have a6o vs a8o for a 400bb pot that was all in pre-flop. One of the PP freerolls I just finished started 300bb deep. It was a complete clown fiesta.

Even the CC freerolls might start too deep or have structure issues- given the commonality of 5 way allins in the first level. With a top heavy reward structure there is a lot of incentive to get it all in quickly because of only paying the top 50 regardless of entrants. Winning a 5 way all in in the first level might mean cashing while losing costs nothing. If the structure was flatter there would be a bigger incentive to actually play.

The admin. who are requesting the tournament structures (from the ones they are given a choice to pick from) have been doing this for 20 years! They have tried out a variety and they know what works for the majority of members.
Your assumptions about 5-way all-ins in early levels is way off for the CC games. Sure you might get someone who is getting it in badly but in the games I've played in, I've never seen an early level multi-way all-in like the ones you're referring to.

You can't win a tournament in the first few levels... but you can certainly lose one then. I'd suggest that the majority of the players in the Cardschat Platinum & Silver freerolls on Partypoker are playing the game to the best of their ability... 'they are trying to win'. Alot of members are playing it because they are wanting to play a poker tournament amongst their fellow members as opposed to maximizing their hourly.

Not even sure what you mean by 'structure was flatter'. Do you mean if the payouts were flatter? Or did you mean if the 'structure was faster'?
The payout structure is totally standard. Changing it would be terrible imo.
The blind structure is good imo. The only one that needs to be speeded up (imo) is the Bronze Freeroll on Partypoker. Because of the number of entrants, that one can be a bit of a marathon.
 
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How would even know what the CC freerolls are like? You only have 12 posts and aren't even capable of playing in the Silver & Platinum freerolls. Of course some of the Bronze games are going to be a donkfest... the requirements are negligible so you'll see the same donks as you'll see in a public freeroll.
There are some WHALES in the Platinum & Silver Cardschat freerolls but the games don't play out anything like what you've described in your post.

Seems odd to join a free forum that gives it's members free prizes, lots of games, leagues etc. and within the first 4 days of joining you're giving suggestions on how they could do it differently. Of the over a couple hundred poker forums from back pre 2010, Cardschat is one of the only ones still remaining. There's obviously a reason for this.
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The payout structure is totally standard.

Fixed payouts are not standard.

The standard we see in the vast majority of online (MTTs) is a percentage-based payout structure. In this model, the prize pool is distributed according to a set of fixed percentages. The actual cash payout for each place changes because it's calculated from the total prize pool.
 
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Lodestone said:
Fixed payouts are not standard.

The standard we see in the vast majority of online (MTTs) is a percentage-based payout structure. In this model, the prize pool is distributed according to a set of fixed percentages. The actual cash payout for each place changes because it's calculated from the total prize pool.
U are talking about the 888 bronze freeroll i guess which has indeed a 50 places fixed payout and 10 minutes blind level.

This is indeed not an optimal structure and that tournament takes like 7 hours to finish. @Tammy tried multiple times to get in touch and change the structure with 888 but no luck.

That tournament imo urgently needs an adjustment to normal payouts and 5 minutes blind levels.
 
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The higher stack gives you a chance to learn to keep your ego in check. So that you don't get too confident just because you have a bigger stack of chips in front of you than someone else.
 
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