Why not to play spin and go.

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I think that spin and go is not the best way to go about it as like people have said the odds are always bad for you. plus the game ends much quicker than playing a 9 person game so your more likely to play more games on the spin and go and lose more money! If your going to play on spin and go make it once every so often for that chance its a big prize your playing for and not just double your money.
 
if u are new in game just dont play it, there is so many regs , and there is so many heads up game there and good player just beat you in heads up
 
Bighulsa did a challenge back in 2015.


From January 1st-31st he had to play +10k spin and go's at the $30 level and have a chip ev roi of +8%. Needless to say, he got a ton of action betting against him at 3.5:1.
He completed the challenge having played 5050+ spins with an ROI and EvWin of 8.8% having grinded like a non human. Imo this is a VERY special case and would be happy to bet that nobody could achieve better than this.

You can go through his thread on 2+2 and look at his graphs as he updates throughout the challenge. There is also an interview he done that you can find with by googling his name 'bighulsa'

This is, in my opinion
 
It's just a form of gaming. gamers are losers. negative EV set up by the house.
 
:jd4:Spin n go's might be profitable if you are a good player especially on the lower stakes since people mostly play for the big win in there. Altough there will be a lot of swings so best advice might be staying away from it, especially if you do have a gambling problem.
 
the spin&go structure isnt profitable all the player there are only all in players they only like the bingo
 
1x1 You depend on the opponent erre bastate to win.

against 8 or more players, you can explore everyone's mistakes and have more chances to win and win a bigger prize.
 
Sometimes it can be easy. It's a game full of bingo players.
I won a game today with a shove preflop at the first hand against two unbelievable callers! :laugh:

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Alex Melnik said:
Statistics show that this is a loss-making form of the game. I checked on myself that it is so. I'm closer to playing in tournaments, I'm more confident in myself.
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Could you please share this "statistics" with us all?? If you try spng and you lose money (without study the particularities of this type of game, charts) seems to be kinda sloppy thinking and unfair.

If you like it, you should enjoy and study the game. I don't know real much about spngs, i know that is a type of game that PS offers to the players, it's real faster than a regular tournament or other games that was avaiable on the site... seems to be an interesting strategy to the casual player that don't have much time to play the other types of tournament... but as always, some players find a spot to exploit and studied real hard the game... and believe me, there's a lot of strategy for spngs, charts and material for people who want to succeed in this kind of game.

So my view is, if you like it, don't let it go because you just lose some money...study the game, find coaches or forums about it and try to develop skill so you can beat the game. You only grow in this game studying and playing (applying what you've learned).


Regards and GL

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Simply impossible for them to get away from those two premium holdings 😛
 
spin and go

well you must have to realize that with spin and go you have an easier time losing money. a Tournament pays more than just one place, not to mention
that spin and go's is an entirely different kind of play. you don't get enough chips to start with for bad hand folds. before you know it your broke. or you have to play way more loose than you would on a final table with s good chip count. the odds are stacked against you more also. you have a 2/3 chance of losing, but in a home game I would play heads up or with 2 other people. don't trust the casino's on spin and go's. Peace and Happy Bank Rolling..
 
Variance can be brutal in spin and in 70% of spins you play to double buy in against 2 players short stacked...it can be very tillting when you hit bigger prize and suckout lol.Once i was playing spins whole day and i was hitting double buy in all the time and when i hit 30x buy in first hand i had KK big blind had AQ of clubs and small blind had AA ...we stick it all in 3 way before the flop in the first hand and 3 clubs hit the borad loool..Also there are alot of bingo playes so i dont play spins for monthes now...
 
I consider myself an amateur and i have played some spin and goes and had worked for me. It is a game that you have to stablish quickly and some players are in troubles doing that. In the other hand, variance is higher so i have a different open hand range than a regular game.
Zorba knows what he is saying i have read quite a few post of him. I have learned a lot.


Sorry for my English
 
I find that the main issue with Spin and Go's is that the profit is so low in most cases. You need to win almost half of the games to break even, let alone be up. This is difficult, as heads up play is very hit and miss, with even the best hands being beaten
 
I generally only play them when I'm on tilt and can't really manage anything that requires a lot of time or thinking. I hate when you run into guys who try to play these like real poker. Takes way too much time and defeats the whole purpose.
 
I thought I'd throw some numbers and opinions to this. I enjoy the Spin n Go format as I've done a fair bit of studying and research on the variant to learn the quirks as best as I can.

First off, like any variant of poker, it is beatable. You just need to understand how to beat it, and many posters have shown this already so I won't repeat that.

I believe that there are more fish in these formats due to the lure of the jackpots and as such, you can make money.

I would not play spins unless I have 200 buy-ins. The swings that can happen are wild. I've lost 44 of 56 in one run that felt like it would never end. 50 tournaments later I win 35. 200 buy-ins should be enough to endure the swings.

I have tracked 1256 spins at the $1 level. In that time:
- My average multiplier is 2.78
- Roughly 25% of my spins are not 2X
- I have not played in a jackpot spin (although I've played in 3 on Party in a much smaller sample size)
- I'm up 50 buy-ins currently
- My win rate is 35.91%
- I have not won a 25X at the $1 level

This represents roughly 140 hours, so the win rate / hr stinks, but my point is that I don't consider myself a great poker player. However, with spins you need to keep some things in mind:

- bluffing rates are higher
- You must be aggressive and identify your opponent types quickly
- Be aware of first hand all ins
- Keep aware of your SPR at all times
- Patience pays off
- There's money to be made but know the skill goes up dramatically as you increase your buy-in

Interested to know opinions on this.
 
CRStals said:
I thought I'd throw some numbers and opinions to this. I enjoy the Spin n Go format as I've done a fair bit of studying and research on the variant to learn the quirks as best as I can.

First off, like any variant of poker, it is beatable. You just need to understand how to beat it, and many posters have shown this already so I won't repeat that.

I believe that there are more fish in these formats due to the lure of the jackpots and as such, you can make money.

I would not play spins unless I have 200 buy-ins. The swings that can happen are wild. I've lost 44 of 56 in one run that felt like it would never end. 50 tournaments later I win 35. 200 buy-ins should be enough to endure the swings.

I have tracked 1256 spins at the $1 level. In that time:
- My average multiplier is 2.78
- Roughly 25% of my spins are not 2X
- I have not played in a jackpot spin (although I've played in 3 on Party in a much smaller sample size)
- I'm up 50 buy-ins currently
- My win rate is 35.91%
- I have not won a 25X at the $1 level

This represents roughly 140 hours, so the win rate / hr stinks, but my point is that I don't consider myself a great poker player. However, with spins you need to keep some things in mind:

- Bluffing rates are higher
- You must be aggressive and identify your opponent types quickly
- Be aware of first hand all ins
- Keep aware of your SPR at all times
- Patience pays off
- There's money to be made but know the skill goes up dramatically as you increase your buy-in

Interested to know opinions on this.
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I'll add... This is over a year and a half playing. This wasn't a binge on the weekend or something like that
 
weralomos said:
What are the successes for such terms?
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To be successful you ideally need to win more than 33% of the time. I think the win rate is closer to 36 or 37 but a poster earlier in this thread has a more calculated number.

Winning 1/3 with the multipliers you see, you will lose in the long run
 
Once won $ 600 for an evening with $ 1 for a few spins. it was during the tournament by 10 million.
 
actually you need to win 36% not 50% to breakeven because the price is not always x2 sometimes bigger - check distribution of prizes
 
Yes, i always thounght it was better to play HU, pokerstars has made great promotion to the spin, in the spin there is too much variance.You also pay a spin of a dollar, for three players, the prize should be 3 dollars, but sometimes it is 2 dollars, then it is better play a HU of one dollar, and you have 50% of winning it.
 
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