hey, i'm 9k. #3

[duggs]

just saw how deep we are ugh

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

which hand?

also yay, its the weekend!

 

[DunningKruger]

I think he's talking about the most recent hand you threw up here, where you check/raised that 1/3 pot bet instead of cbetting. I'd fold that as played against most players.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

spew? I just think i'm clicking buttons at this point since everytime I make TP i'm getting tripled by EVERYONE

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $64.80 (VPIP: 16.29, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 3.83, hands: 593)
Hero (BB): $54.75
UTG: $102.37 (VPIP: 42.42, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 69)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 20.17, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 122)
BTN: $51.50 (VPIP: 19.33, PFR: 15.55, 3Bet Preflop: 7.29, Hands: 243)

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:club: J:spade:

fold, CO raises to $1.25, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 2:heart: K:diamond: 7:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.25, 2 players) 8:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($14.25, 2 players) 8:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets $9.00, Hero raises to $26.00?

 

[acky100]

I think raising is probably spew yeh

 

[WVHillbilly]

What are you trying to get him to fold?

 

[Cafeman]

That a bluff?

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

next, this is an actual spot:

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $50.00 (VPIP: 20.54, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 8.16, Hands: 187)
BB: $21.14 (VPIP: 16.88, PFR: 13.26, 3Bet Preflop: 9.25, Hands: 467)
UTG: $66.31 (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 50)
MP: $81.40 (VPIP: 35.42, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 100)
Hero (CO): $58.82
BTN: $50.44 (VPIP: 15.64, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 1.16, Hands: 277)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:club: T:diamond:

fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) 8:heart: 7:diamond: 9:spade:
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 7:club:
MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($5.75, 2 players) J:club:
MP checks, Hero bets $4.00, MP raises to $17.00, Hero?

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

^ nothing?

ok +4bi night, biggest hands of the session.. a couple spots, couple coolers, the usual.

PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €88.69 (VPIP: 21.90, PFR: 16.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 246)
UTG: €206.88 (VPIP: 77.67, PFR: 30.10, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 108)
Hero (CO): €50.00
BTN: €49.25 (VPIP: 16.28, PFR: 12.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.11, Hands: 86)
SB: €94.14 (VPIP: 92.50, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 23.81, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has J:heart: J:spade:

UTG calls €0.50, Hero raises to €2.00, fold, SB calls €1.75, fold, UTG calls €1.50

Flop: (€6.50, 3 players) J:club: 6:heart: Q:diamond:
SB checks, UTG bets €3.00, Hero calls €3.00, SB calls €3.00

Turn: (€15.50, 3 players) J:diamond:
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (€15.50, 3 players) 8:heart:
SB bets €28.50, UTG calls €28.50, Hero raises to €45.00 and is all-in, SB calls €16.50, UTG calls €16.50

Hero shows J:heart: J:spade: (Four of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 74%, Flop 75%, Turn 100%)
UTG mucks 9:diamond: T:spade: (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 14%, Flop 24%, Turn 0%)
SB mucks 3:heart: 8:club: (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights) (Pre 12%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins €148.50

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PokerStars - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: €50.16 (VPIP: 21.90, PFR: 16.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 246)
CO: €103.48 (VPIP: 25.70, PFR: 19.20, 3Bet Preflop: 7.93, Hands: 435)
BTN: €89.82 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 16.20, 3Bet Preflop: 3.05, Hands: 575)
SB: €42.07 (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 43)
Hero (BB): €64.21
UTG: €41.42 (VPIP: 82.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 179)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has K:heart: K:club:

UTG calls €0.50, fold, CO raises to €2.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to €6.50, UTG calls €6.00, CO calls €4.50

Flop: (€19.75, 3 players) 2:spade: 7:club: 7:spade:
Hero bets €11.00, fold, CO calls €11.00

Turn: (€41.75, 2 players) 7:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets €8.50, Hero raises to €46.71 and is all-in, CO calls €38.21

River: (€135.17, 2 players) 2:club:

Hero shows K:heart: K:club: (Full House, Sevens full of Kings) (Pre 77%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)
CO shows 7:diamond: 8:diamond: (Four of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 23%, Flop 91%, Turn 100%)
CO wins €66.59
CO wins €66.58

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PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $52.25 (VPIP: 18.32, PFR: 14.65, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 279)
CO: $112.00
BTN: $98.25 (VPIP: 19.92, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 507)
SB: $50.25 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 161)
BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 34.34, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 169)
Hero (UTG): $106.40

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J:spade: K:diamond:

Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($5.00, 3 players) 9:spade: T:diamond: 4:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00, MP calls $3.00, SB calls $3.00

Turn: ($14.00, 3 players) 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets $9.00, fold, SB calls $9.00

River: ($32.00, 2 players) 2:club:
SB checks, Hero bets $17.00, SB calls $17.00

Hero shows J:spade: K:diamond: (High Card, King) (Pre 38%, Flop 37%, Turn 32%)
SB shows A:spade: T:spade: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 62%, Flop 63%, Turn 68%)
SB wins $63.50

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

this one made me want to cry.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $11.00 (VPIP: 73.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 31)
BTN: $64.05
SB: $58.38 (VPIP: 20.70, PFR: 16.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 322)
BB: $20.00 (VPIP: 16.03, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 132)
UTG: $104.13 (VPIP: 34.34, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 169)
Hero (MP): $57.93

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:heart: Q:spade:

UTG raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players) T:heart: Q:diamond: A:spade:
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Turn: ($12.00, 3 players) J:diamond:
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($12.00, 3 players) T:spade:
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.00, fold, UTG raises to $19.75, Hero?!?!

 

[pocketehs]

^ nothing?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $52.25 (VPIP: 18.32, PFR: 14.65, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 279)
CO: $112.00
BTN: $98.25 (VPIP: 19.92, PFR: 16.53, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 507)
SB: $50.25 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 161)
BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 34.34, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 169)
Hero (UTG): $106.40

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J♠ K♦

Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, fold, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($5.00, 3 players) 9♠ T♦ 4♣
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00, MP calls $3.00, SB calls $3.00

Turn: ($14.00, 3 players) 7♥
SB checks, Hero bets $9.00, fold, SB calls $9.00

River: ($32.00, 2 players) 2♣
SB checks, Hero bets $17.00, SB calls $17.00

Hero shows J♠ K♦ (High Card, King) (Pre 38%, Flop 37%, Turn 32%)
SB shows A♠ T♠ (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 62%, Flop 63%, Turn 68%)
SB wins $63.50

I know you posted this cause you already know its spew but I hate the barrel on the river. I dont think the 2 changes any part of his x/c range from the turn. I think the only think we can fold out is like 98 and 87?

this one made me want to cry.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $11.00 (VPIP: 73.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 31)
BTN: $64.05
SB: $58.38 (VPIP: 20.70, PFR: 16.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 322)
BB: $20.00 (VPIP: 16.03, PFR: 14.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 132)
UTG: $104.13 (VPIP: 34.34, PFR: 27.88, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 169)
Hero (MP): $57.93

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q♥ Q♠

UTG raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players) T♥ Q♦ A♠
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, CO calls $2.50

Turn: ($12.00, 3 players) J♦
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($12.00, 3 players) T♠
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.00, fold, UTG raises to $19.75, Hero?!?!

This is seriously sick. I think it should be a fold just looking at his nutted line. But because hes a lag maybe he can spaz with AT? Like hes just never x/r'ing OTR 3way without the nuts


We flat the flop to get CO to call and because hes never GII with AK/AT/AQ, right?

 

[acky100]

just call that spot don't matter, he can do that with AT,QT hands enough.

Raising flop would be best at lower stakes jake, i think flatting is the best here and when people get less brain dead

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

yeah, I timebanked and talked in the chat like wtf..

because my thinking was:

- he plays AA/JJ/TT exactly the same-ish
- he doesnt cbet that flop into 2 players as often with JJ though, so that removes combos
- I dont think he x/rs's AT and QT as opposed to betting rivers
- which leaves me with some combos of JJ, and 1 combo of TT, and 3 combos of AA (is that right?)
- I need to call $13ish to win about $40 so I'm getting 3-1 which means I need to be good 25% (is THAT right?!)

and Jake, I don't think that KJo hand was as spewy, since he's pretty likely to raise sets at some point which means for me he's weighted towards Tx, most likely suited. (ATs, obv) my river barrel should've been bigger on review but I still think its ok, its probably marginal.

edit: Arranit, QTo hand above?!

 

[dj11]

QQ hand, 4 bet the river to maybe induce him to shove so you can call, tho it is very likely he might call a shove, the 4 bet just sort of irks him on, and , again IMO, we want him to double us up.

We are behind only 2 hands, AA, TT. 4 Total combo's. These are situations IMHO, that we can not wimp out on. Villain is too LAG to give him complete credit for having the AA, and the TT actually does work better in the story telling division of poker hand analysis and this particular hand, but then that goes against the range vs exact hand thinking I read about so much around here. While anyone might play JJ this way, we crush that and you are left with those 4 nasty combo's which might as well be exact hand thinking, and I have been dissed for giving exact hands that much credence.

Personally, I would even half enjoy getting beat here with one of those hands as the adrenalin rush would make up for the br hit depression that is still 3 minutes away...

 

[pocketehs]

QQ hand, 4 bet the river to maybe induce him to shove so you can call, tho it is very likely he might call a shove, the 4 bet just sort of irks him on, and , again IMO, we want him to double us up.

We are behind only 2 hands, AA, TT. 4 Total combo's. These are situations IMHO, that we can not wimp out on. Villain is too LAG to give him complete credit for having the AA, and the TT actually does work better in the story telling division of poker hand analysis and this particular hand, but then that goes against the range vs exact hand thinking I read about so much around here. While anyone might play JJ this way, we crush that and you are left with those 4 nasty combo's which might as well be exact hand thinking, and I have been dissed for giving exact hands that much credence.

Personally, I would even half enjoy getting beat here with one of those hands as the adrenalin rush would make up for the br hit depression that is still 3 minutes away...

I disagree with this because of what 9K already said about his line. Sure hes laggy but who x/r's the river into 3 people on that board without it?! Just calling is best for sure.

 

[dj11]

I disagree with this because of what 9K already said about his line. Sure hes laggy but who x/r's the river into 3 people on that board without it?! Just calling is best for sure.

Join the crowd as most everyone around here disagrees with me......lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Someone disagreeing with you is not "joining the crowd" but rather agreeing with one analysis more than another.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

-4.5bi day wee!

one of those sessions, everytime I made a bi lost one back.. or 2.

got ****ed in a couple of spots where I shouldn't have been involved pre, but was because I was stuck.

no excuse, got what I deserved but still.. really?!

anyway, spew for ya'll. - should'a folded pre really, then decided to turn it into a bluff OTR since he can never really call without AK and not sure if he 3bets that pre vs my UTG range.

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PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $52.77 (VPIP: 27.13, PFR: 24.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 130)
BTN: $50.00 (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 36)
SB: $50.69 (VPIP: 20.54, PFR: 14.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.02, Hands: 721)
BB: $60.58 (VPIP: 48.62, PFR: 13.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 113)
Hero (UTG): $50.00
MP: $102.40 (VPIP: 50.68, PFR: 12.33, 3Bet Preflop: 10.26, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J:diamond: J:spade:

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.00

Flop: ($9.75, 2 players) K:diamond: K:club: 7:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00

Turn: ($19.75, 2 players) 9:club:
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($19.75, 2 players) 8:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero raises to $40.50 and is all-in

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squeeze pre is fine imo, flop bet is meh but if he's flatting pre as wide as 55 then flop + turn barrel are now mandatory I guess?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $51.15 (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 150)
Hero (SB): $51.34
BB: $49.25 (VPIP: 13.13, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 101)
UTG: $61.41 (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 48)
CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 24.50, PFR: 16.06, 3Bet Preflop: 5.05, Hands: 255)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A:spade: 3:spade:

fold, CO raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.00, fold, fold, BTN calls $4.50

Flop: ($14.00, 2 players) 9:club: 5:diamond: 9:diamond:
Hero bets $9.00, BTN calls $9.00

Turn: ($32.00, 2 players) J:club:
Hero bets $36.34 and is all-in, BTN calls $36.15 and is all-in

River: ($104.30, 2 players) A:diamond:

Hero shows A:spade: 3:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Nines) (Pre 34%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
BTN shows 5:heart: 5:club: (Full House, Fives full of Nines) (Pre 66%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins $101.80

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also.. wtf are regs doing? I swear everyone's retarded.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $22.52 (VPIP: 17.56, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.90, Hands: 741)
Hero (BTN): $56.40
SB: $53.46 (VPIP: 16.12, PFR: 15.74, 3Bet Preflop: 11.86, Hands: 528)
BB: $50.75 (VPIP: 19.38, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.24, Hands: 567)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q:club: T:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $1.25, fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 5:diamond: 3:heart: T:diamond:
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.00

Turn: ($11.75, 2 players) 8:heart:
BB bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

River: ($28.75, 2 players) K:diamond:
BB checks, Hero checks

BB shows 9:club: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 58%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero mucks Q:club: T:heart: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 42%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
BB wins $27.46

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hand 1. Imo we have a bluff catcher on the riv? I think? Does he barrel his bluffs here??

Hand 2. I don't think I have any problems with this hand. Preflop squeeze is def fine. Flop bet and turn shove seem totally standard given the board and preflop action.

Hand 3. Seems fine all the way through I think. At least it's how I think I would have played it.

 

[duggs]

shove QT
call QQ
stop spewing.

now the current hands
2+3 seem fine.
1 seems weird. dont think we have enough of a sample to try to make him fold AA/KQ/KJs

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

what 14/14 with 3b of 6 3bet KJs/KQ vs UTG.

imo he's NEVER light here, I put him on pretty much exactly AA/QQ given his line + timebank reads.

 

[dj11]

According to your hand count on these villains, and again assuming they have the same numbers on you, they are now getting a better read on you, and know what you have done and are likely to do.

But you know this so nvrmnd.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

what?

 

[Ducky7]

Me and 9k in 5 years

 

[Ducky7]

If i can make him drink that is, also he will have 0 bracelets, but the mix of black to white people and the white person winning makes this so