MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[RamdeeBen]

What hand would you ever check/bet/bet here that he can beat.. You would probably check back TT and lower on the river and bet the flop with draws. The line is fine I guess but I would need a reason to do this line instead of bet/bet/bet, e.g. he folds AJ/QQ OTT if we bet/bet.

Also most people bet draws on the flop, usually they don't take free cards when they can c-bet and take it down, especially in 3 bet pots.

Given it's a squeeze pre; I could have some random suited gappers; 78s/89s/TJs/ AJ+.JJ+ and a villians calling range being pairs/connectors/boardways. Not 100% sure of hands I'd usually check here, because usually I wouldn't, but that's the reason I posted the hand because I took a different line than normal just based on villains calling ranges. I was thinking he could have connectors, Jx and of course some middle pocket pairs. Given his whole range though; I thought we're only getting called by Jx/QQ hands which might well shut down the turn/river once we double barrel. Given I checked; I thought maybe my hand looks weaker we might get a a turn/river bet as opposed to just one flop bet.

Maybe I'm over thinking in spots I dunno, but when I play regs I just try mix it up a bit.

 

[RamdeeBen]

@Scourrge - going to watch video later this evening. Maybe I'll pick up some pro tips

 

[msankadi]

Watch and tell me how bad I am prease.

Just saw the whole video... Am A newbie myself but have been reading a lot for the past weeks. Here are my thoughts :

1.really liked your presentation style and kept watching the video for that even though there wasn't much action going on
2. Can't comment on the play but it was a lot looser than I play. May be I need to widen my range especially from the button

Would be looking forward to more of this.

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[RamdeeBen]

CO is an aggressive player; I've 3bet him a few times. I didn't want to 3bet/fold this hand pre + we're 300bb deep.

Sb is a fish.

Whats our turn action? Also; is raising the flop fine given we have a pair + gut shot + nut flush draw and whilst on that subject, IF he decided to raise/get it in, would this be bad to call it off ?


PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $24.65
UTG: $10.00
CO: $34.95
Hero (BTN): $29.36
SB: $24.88

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10, BB posts ante $0.02, UTG posts ante $0.02, CO posts ante $0.02, Hero posts ante $0.02, SB posts ante $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero has A:club: 3:club:

fold, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, SB raises to $0.60, fold, CO calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.00, 3 players) 2:club: 5:club: A:spade:
SB bets $1.70, CO calls $1.70, Hero raises to $4.50, SB calls $2.80, fold

Turn: ($12.70, 2 players) 9:diamond:
SB bets $6.10, Hero ??

 

[RamdeeBen]

This hand was just funny; note how much he has left behind before folding my extra 18cent river shove.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $13.04
SB: $12.16
Hero (BB): $12.13
UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $6.98
MP: $9.93
MP+1: $10.91
LP: $8.00
CO: $19.98

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 3:heart: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 2:heart: 5:spade: J:spade:
SB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.00, 2 players) 4:heart:
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.35

River: ($5.50, 2 players) K:club:
SB bets $9.20, Hero raises to $9.38 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $22.82

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I know what your saying, but have you seen positions? I'm sure he's a tag reg; he'll likely know I'm not flatting J9 UTG+1 vs his range. Don't you think?

Lol I wasn't agreeing with his statement necessarily, just explaining what I thought he meant.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

@Scourrge - going to watch video later this evening. Maybe I'll pick up some pro tips

Don't hold your breath.

sweat me in deep games, i 3bet heaps and dont fold to many so it should come up a bunch

Definitely duggs - we're just never online at the same time anymore

Just saw the whole video... Am A newbie myself but have been reading a lot for the past weeks. Here are my thoughts :

1.really liked your presentation style and kept watching the video for that even though there wasn't much action going on
2. Can't comment on the play but it was a lot looser than I play. May be I need to widen my range especially from the button

Would be looking forward to more of this.

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Thanks for watching msankadi. I play significantly looser at Bovada than I did at other sites, since the population's play is so terrible. I'm still pretty much value oriented with just occasional bluffs going on, it's just that the range that I can define as a "value" range is wider. I also open for a steal frequently from the button, but not as frequently as I would at other sites, because people don't fold their blinds that much on Bovada. Hope that clarifies something or other

Also, check out the other videos on the MicroCrushers channel - there are a lot there now from me and others, many of them collaborative. They have varying levels of poker analysis and goofing off, but most of them have solid poker content lol.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Maybe I'm over thinking in spots I dunno, but when I play regs I just try mix it up a bit.

Me too, I do it sometimes against the regs I have lots of hands with. I just try and not overdoo it.

 

[Logan2]

Half month.

Volume is really low compared to zoom, only playing 4-6 tables to think more (take notes, color coding, and figure sizing) and table selecting like ninja bring better results so far.
Mostly 5nl/10nl mixed and start taking shots to 16nl

Spoiler

Still don´t get use to 16nl bet sizing, opening to 48 then the size on 3b/4b feel so weird after 5/10nl round amounts
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[Logan2]

This hand is not my, but see it post it on the other forum and Hero is a good/winning player on my eyes, so kind of interested on your thoughts on river fold.

Is zoom so maybe that influence a little but not sure.

There are some 2 pair combinations that we beat that could take that line (AQ/AT/A9/A7)
and others that we beat also but maybe raise at some point (QT/Q7/Q9/T7/T9/79),
And we are beat by any flush/KJ/J8 and also by TT/99 but sets probably raise before because board was so wet.

On zoom probably fold but what if was normal tables?, odds are more than 5/1 to call river, thoughts?



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[RamdeeBen]

Nice graph logan; I to can't get used to sizing in the 16c games...it's such a weird number blinds. I kinda of drop playing is because it's so annoying lol. Decided I'm going to skip the 16nl and focus on grinding to 25nl.

 

[RamdeeBen]

I think his x/c line smells of draws nearly always. Not sure I'd be value betting that river if I was hero either as it seems a bit thin to me as I don't' expect anything we beat calling us. Also river is easy fold imo' he's not turning two pair into a bluff and if for some reason he's taking this line with a set, they all beat us too, so we beat a stone cold bluff in this spot which is highly unlikely given his x/c line has so many draws in it.

 

[duggs]

scourgge im moving countries tomorrow so will be back on skype during your times i imagine.

also ram turn on your chat on stars

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Sweet duggs.

And imo you can pretty much x/f that river. Villain isn't going to turn 2p into a bluff, and literally the entire rest of his range gets there.

Edit: Plus villain has limped or cold-called two hands, so we can assume passive/bad. I definitely feel okay x/f, but also betting TINY there and folding to a raise seems fine too if you think you can get uber-thin value at this limit against an unknown.

 

[toomuch22]

Hi ppl, how do you guys usually deal with loose players who are OOP against you? I'm a 2NL player. So all the while, I usually raise less since they could esssentially hit any stuff on the board with their relatively wider range.

But gradually I was thinking if that is necessary at all, since you could and should extract the most out of them with position instead of betting with caution and giving them better odds to draw. Then again, I feel somewhat insecure since any nuts hand could end up being anything but the nuts at the river street It gets even more complex when you're against some player who bets weird amounts for cbets BUT still calls your 3bets anyway not one but a couple times (for eg. betting not even half pot amount on both flop and turn but calls your 3/5 or 4/5-pot sized bet)

Any pointers or guidance would be appreciated very much!

 

[AlfieAA]

Hi ppl, how do you guys usually deal with loose players who are OOP against you? I'm a 2NL player. So all the while, I usually raise less since they could esssentially hit any stuff on the board with their relatively wider range.

But gradually I was thinking if that is necessary at all, since you could and should extract the most out of them with position instead of betting with caution and giving them better odds to draw. Then again, I feel somewhat insecure since any nuts hand could end up being anything but the nuts at the river street It gets even more complex when you're against some player who bets weird amounts for cbets BUT still calls your 3bets anyway not one but a couple times (for eg. betting not even half pot amount on both flop and turn but calls your 3/5 or 4/5-pot sized bet)

Any pointers or guidance would be appreciated very much!

Hi...depends what position you are in when you get dealt...I would just raise the standard amount with your qualified hand/from position and if he flats then size your cbets in accordance to the flop....bet more on wet/drawy boards and half pot or more if you want (if you think he will call with worse) on drier boards.....but yeah make them pay to chase with good bet sizings....the other guys on here will be more specific with advice but that would be my tips ..gl

 

[RamdeeBen]

scourgge im moving countries tomorrow so will be back on skype during your times i imagine.

also ram turn on your chat on stars

Huh? I do have chat enabled; must of missed something assuming you was at a table/spectator and said something.

 

[Logan2]

Some comments about the hand.

check/fold this river, everything that was drawing got there, and most hands that have show down value (that you beat) are checking back.

this is a spot where villain can turn 98 into a bluff, but c/f this was a bad river

Check/folding is horrible. He's a fish and we miss a ton of value.

Bet river smaller? Or are we missing out value that way too? Should do some math on that but have no idea how

. I agree though that c/f is missing out on value since he has some 2pairs in his range

Nah, I think his calling range is inelastic. If anything I should've bet bigger on the turn and jammed the river.

So.Aside of flush/ST8 (KJ/J8) he also beat us with higher set (99/TT)
But we beat so many 2 pair combinations there that could get him to river (AQ/AT/A9/A7/QT/Q7/Q9/T7/T9/79).

And is a fish (66bb´s+2 flats or flat and limp)so i do think he could be making his 2pair a bluff if we check/f or if we bet, and if we bet we need to be ahead like 1 of 5 to be fine if call his raise, i mean folding like $4.50 of our stack every time to a $6.50 fish because raise $2 on river is anoying, still not sure what is the correct move.
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[Yoshimiii]

Some comments about the hand.
So.Aside of flush/ST8 (KJ/J8) he also beat us with higher set (99/TT)
But we beat so many 2 pair combinations there that could get him to river (AQ/AT/A9/A7/QT/Q7/Q9/T7/T9/79).

And is a fish (66bb´s+2 flats or flat and limp)so i do think he could be making his 2pair a bluff if we check/f or if we bet, and if we bet we need to be ahead like 1 of 5 to be fine if call his raise, i mean folding like $4.50 of our stack every time to a $6.50 fish because raise $2 on river is anoying, still not sure what is the correct move.
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Problem is all draws got there and if he's a fish he chases them. I think either B/F small or C/f.

 

[Logan2]

I to can't get used to sizing in the 16c games...it's such a weird number blinds. I kinda of drop playing is because it's so annoying lol. Decided I'm going to skip the 16nl and focus on grinding to 25nl.

How big the skill gap is 16nl>25nl?
So far find @16nl people is 4b lot more than 10nl, but also find a lot color coded players from 10nl playing also 16nl, probably because not a ton of tables on FR.

Was taking a 3bi shot for 16nl, maybe i could do a 2bi shot on 25nl or wait until get to 3bi shot. But that will be the 3rd level jump on same month so, probably better to wait little more.

 

[RamdeeBen]

How big the skill gap is 16nl>25nl?
So far find @16nl people is 4b lot more than 10nl, but also find a lot color coded players from 10nl playing also 16nl, probably because not a ton of tables on FR.

Was taking a 3bi shot for 16nl, maybe i could do a 2bi shot on 25nl or wait until get to 3bi shot. But that will be the 3rd level jump on same month so, probably better to wait little more.

I don't have sample sizes to really give an opinion but from the small 5k hands at each level, I haven't seen much difference in play.

 

[pocketehs]

How big the skill gap is 16nl>25nl?
So far find @16nl people is 4b lot more than 10nl, but also find a lot color coded players from 10nl playing also 16nl, probably because not a ton of tables on FR.

Was taking a 3bi shot for 16nl, maybe i could do a 2bi shot on 25nl or wait until get to 3bi shot. But that will be the 3rd level jump on same month so, probably better to wait little more.

Just better regs and bigger fish

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Fewer fish I'd imagine too? Maybe not significantly though, idk.

 

[Logan2]

I don't have sample sizes to really give an opinion but from the small 5k hands at each level, I haven't seen much difference in play.

Just better regs and bigger fish

Fewer fish I'd imagine too? Maybe not significantly though, idk.

Was looking tables numbers on the site with my filters set and is not really what expected to see.

This are all tables under my filters from 5nl-25nl.

Was expecting to see a ton more tables on lower levels but is not really the case.
16nl looks kind of dead, probably most players also think blinds are really odd.
25nl with more tables and 5-10nl with same also weird


Then i set vpip view to see difference on amount of fish and WTF??

I count more 25nl tables there on the top than any others and 5nl is last lol.

I don´t know. need to see it when play but don´t look that dry on fish at simple view.
Probably give a try on the weekend.

 

[pocketehs]

nh wp? river betsizing?



PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $30.11 (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 18)
Hero (BTN): $26.85
SB: $25.87 (VPIP: 14.75, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 63)
BB: $27.25 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: $25.00 (VPIP: 25.14, PFR: 21.23, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 185)
MP: $28.47 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 8:heart: 7:heart:

fold, MP raises to $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, BB calls $1.25, MP calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.60, 3 players) A:club: J:heart: 7:club: BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn%s: ($4.60, 3 players) 9:heart: BB bets $3.50, fold, Hero calls $3.50

River%s: ($11.60, 2 players) 7:diamond: BB checks, Hero bets $8.00



also how much do we want to raise the turn?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $25.35 (VPIP: 31.18, PFR: 24.73, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 94)
Hero (CO): $36.81
BTN: $16.72 (VPIP: 34.02, PFR: 32.99, 3Bet Preflop: 16.13, Hands: 102)
SB: $25.80 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
BB: $46.31 (VPIP: 23.11, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 8.99, Hands: 258)
UTG: $23.60 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q:club: T:club:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, BB raises to $2.45, Hero calls $1.70

Flop: ($5.00, 2 players) 3:club: 4:spade: Q:spade: BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn%s: ($10.00, 2 players) T:diamond: BB bets $5.50, Hero raises to $13.00, BB calls $7.50

River%s: ($36.00, 2 players) A:spade: BB checks, Hero checks