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Is TT/JJ in our turn raising range? Same thing goes for top two.

We can certainly have those hands by the time we get to the turn, but I don't see us raising them on this board.

Against a limper who calls our 3Bet and then starts donking money into the pot, I'm going to do what I can to keep him in. Short of the board being wet - a situation where bad players donk/calling with draws is standard - I'm not raising the top of my range until he looks to have committed himself.
 
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ScottishMatt said:
Is TT/JJ in our turn raising range? Same thing goes for top two.

We can certainly have those hands by the time we get to the turn, but I don't see us raising them on this board.

Against a limper who calls our 3Bet and then starts donking money into the pot, I'm going to do what I can to keep him in. Short of the board being wet - a situation where bad players donk/calling with draws is standard - I'm not raising the top of my range until he looks to have committed himself.

definitely raising them, look at the board texture. he half pots it with spr of 2
 
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I don't think shoving as a semibluff here is ever bad. We have so much equity. I'm not sure if a bad player can be folding AJ here. I'm assuming he is bad because of his line.
 
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Jake, I know you already know this, but we don't make money in the micros by trying to get people to fold TP. So trying to fold out AJ is a no no. Having said that, as Duggs says, I'm not sure if a) he flats our 3bet with it and b) leads with it.

We're probably looking at a set here a lot. We don't care what we represent simply because he probably isn't even thinking about that.

EDIT: I probs call turn.
 
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Cafeman said:
Jake, I know you already know this, but we don't make money in the micros by trying to get people to fold TP. So trying to fold out AJ is a no no. Having said that, as Duggs says, I'm not sure if a) he flats our 3bet with it and b) leads with it.

We're probably looking at a set here a lot. We don't care what we represent simply because he probably isn't even thinking about that.

EDIT: I probs call turn.

+1
 
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Jake already knows my thoughts from Skype chat, but I'll re-post my thoughts here.

Basically, if villain can have AJ and play it this way, he's never folding with so little behind, and I also expect to see sets a ton (which also never fold). It should also be pointed out that if our FE = 0, then jamming actually gives us worse odds than flatting (3:2 instead of 3:1). And I don't think flatting commits us fwiw. If villain barrels the river (and we haven't improved) then we are always behind. And if we DO improve, it's pretty unlikely villain is even checking the river, let alone ever letting his hand go, which means we have a touch of implied odds here.
 
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micromachine said:
Glad you enjoyed it :D There are still plenty of fish at 10nl, and they tend to be more aggressive than the 2nl fish, which can be a very good thing.

I hope ill get there soon, im feeling that i have knowledge to try buy i still make bad decisions at 2 and 4nl, for most of them i know that it gonna get me into trouble as soon as i make them and im mostly always right about that but it is to late...

i have some mixed experience lately at PKR, it seems to me that i cant win any money at 2nl, but doing way better at 4nl, i dont understand why is that, i guess that there is no logic explanation...
I have some screenshots from badbeat so called tracking and from PKR history if they can be helpfull... the samples are really small but it is not based on one or two sessions but on more shorter sessions because i have what might be a bad habit of playing 50, 60 hands (hour or so)...
 
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micromachine - Got about half way through your vid. Nice stuff - was a great start of hands coming your way. Nicely played throughout though I thought. Was interested to see your standard raise is 3.5x it seems the rest of the worlds standard raise is 3x at the moment. Any thoughts on this?

I don't reckon jacks would have called at 27 min.
 
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Cafeman said:
Jake, I know you already know this, but we don't make money in the micros by trying to get people to fold TP. So trying to fold out AJ is a no no. Having said that, as Duggs says, I'm not sure if a) he flats our 3bet with it and b) leads with it.

We're probably looking at a set here a lot. We don't care what we represent simply because he probably isn't even thinking about that.

EDIT: I probs call turn.

Thanks everyone for the response. Think I'm overestimating FE and get too aggro.

I personally think if he has a set he x/rs more than he donks. I actually think a don't just looks like Jx to me. But ya I shouldn't ship turn because I'm IP and have a ton of implied odds to call turn.
 
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Yeah I gave this hand some more thought and the donk does smack of TP. Either way we probs shouldn't try to bluff a weak player off a hand, cos they don't tend to fold hands, and his actions do indicate he has one.
 
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Call me stupid. But i do not think his shoving was that bad after all.
UTG strongest part of his range is JJ+,88,66,AQs,KQs,AsKs,AQo,KQo? Only AsKs are of spade the rest means suited.
UTG 41.18% 40.09% 1.09%JJ+, 88, 66, AQs, KQs, AsKs, AQo, KQo

BU 58.82% 57.74% 1.09%QsJs

Unless i made a mistake a shove is +EV.
 
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swingro said:
Call me stupid. But i do not think his shoving was that bad after all.
UTG strongest part of his range is JJ+,88,66,AQs,KQs,AsKs,AQo,KQo? Only AsKs are of spade the rest means suited.
UTG 41.18% 40.09% 1.09%JJ+, 88, 66, AQs, KQs, AsKs, AQo, KQo

BU 58.82% 57.74% 1.09%QsJs

Unless i made a mistake a shove is +EV.

Two points. Where is AJ in this because that's in UTGs range for sure. And secondly we can knock off some of that range by the line he took. So our equity is def not going to be 60/40 vs utg's range with the line he took.
 
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Blobweird123 said:
Two points. Where is AJ in this because that's in UTGs range for sure. And secondly we can knock off some of that range by the line he took. So our equity is def not going to be 60/40 vs utg's range with the line he took.

So much this. The bold part. So much.
 
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Lol i mad a mistake:) I saw Q on the board

UTG 66.39% 66.06% 0.33%JJ+, 88, 66, AJs, AsKs, AJo,KJs,KJo

BU 33.61% 33.28% 0.33%QsJs
Still think a shove was good.
I do not know why i cannot see the forum the right way. Sometimes i do not see the suites, others i see all the XML tags.
NVM. With 33% equity on the turn is is not correct to shove when the villan has only a pot size left in his stack?
 
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Should i call it a day or keep playing, that is the question:hmmmm2:

Oct 12 2013

I have 1 more hour to play but kind of afraid to blow all in next 10minutes ja, i let you guys know how it ends.
 
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Keep going! As long as you're still playing well and there are fish on the table there is no reason to stop. I have this same feeling like I should stop if I get up to +10 buy-ins cos surely it can't get better than that??!! But really it's silly :)
 
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My session tonight I was down 6bi then came back to finish only 1.5bi down.
 
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Played around 400 more hands until tables start to go down from 120 to 70-80, i see less fish and more nits and decide to stop.
One more buyin up though, ended with 7bi on 1800+ hands, so good day.
 
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Well, casino went pretty meh last night. Pretty much the only good hand I saw was AJ (saw it about 5 times), and AQ once, AK once. I also flopped a flush out of the BB with 63s and made one pot-sized bet on the flop against one player. In my 5 hour session I only won 3 pots, all of them worth < $40 profit :D

Then I came back, and made this atrocity of a video for the MicroCrushers VOTW thread :)

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...deo-week-votw-thread-221659/post-2203391.html
 
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ended up playing 888s steps sitngos just to see what they are like, I think they have a decent structure for suer micro bankroll building

step 1 is 25c pays a bit over 30c for 2 and a $1 ticket for first
step 2 pays about $1.30 for 2 and $3 ticket for 1
step 3 pays like $6.50 or so for 2 and $15 ticket for 1
step 4 pays $27.50 for 2 and $55 ticket for any applicable mtt for first

well on first try I won step 1 then won step 2 then step 3 took forever to fill up. I checked in several times every day and it only filled up once but I won it as well so that's all right and step 4 took a while as well to fill up. and I would have won it if it wasn't for crazy fish or sucked out in huge pots three times 3 handed and twice heads up. Still 110 times my original buy in for relatively little total time expenditure isn't too bad. though that's not too hard when its only 25c :p

Also I should probably just say they are all 6 handed and very soft, so not much of a feat. still I might play them more often. maybe skip step 1 and maybe skip step 2 sometimes.

Oh and just loaded a step 1 again for the hell of it well playing step 4 and I won that as well :p I guess I'll have to go for another shot at the $55 ticket these steps seem pretty easy and you only need a second just once to make money on your buy in
 
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Scourrge said:
Well, casino went pretty meh last night. Pretty much the only good hand I saw was AJ (saw it about 5 times), and AQ once, AK once. I also flopped a flush out of the BB with 63s and made one pot-sized bet on the flop against one player. In my 5 hour session I only won 3 pots, all of them worth < $40 profit :D

Then I came back, and made this atrocity of a video for the MicroCrushers VOTW thread :)

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...deo-week-votw-thread-221659/post-2203391.html

I'm going to watch, just need to find some time!

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ended up playing 888s steps sitngos just to see what they are like, I think they have a decent structure for suer micro bankroll building

step 1 is 25c pays a bit over 30c for 2 and a $1 ticket for first
step 2 pays about $1.30 for 2 and $3 ticket for 1
step 3 pays like $6.50 or so for 2 and $15 ticket for 1
step 4 pays $27.50 for 2 and $55 ticket for any applicable mtt for first

well on first try I won step 1 then won step 2 then step 3 took forever to fill up. I checked in several times every day and it only filled up once but I won it as well so that's all right and step 4 took a while as well to fill up. and I would have won it if it wasn't for crazy fish or sucked out in huge pots three times 3 handed and twice heads up. Still 110 times my original buy in for relatively little total time expenditure isn't too bad. though that's not too hard when its only 25c :p

Also I should probably just say they are all 6 handed and very soft, so not much of a feat. still I might play them more often. maybe skip step 1 and maybe skip step 2 sometimes.

Oh and just loaded a step 1 again for the hell of it well playing step 4 and I won that as well :p I guess I'll have to go for another shot at the $55 ticket these steps seem pretty easy and you only need a second just once to make money on your buy in

Hey none of that SNG talk in here please :p
 
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micromachine said:
I'm going to watch, just need to find some time!



Hey none of that SNG talk in here please :p

But I've seen tournament talk in here before, I swear!
 
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loafes said:
But I've seen tournament talk in here before, I swear!
Yeah, I think someone said something along the lines of, "I know this donk who just binked a tournament, can't wait for him to start giving the money back in my cash games."
 
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Cafeman said:
Yeah, I think someone said something along the lines of, "I know this donk who just binked a tournament, can't wait for him to start giving the money back in my cash games."

This.
 
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10nl shot/move up going well so far...

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