MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[doomasiggy]

@Jake: 1st hand like if we think he bets Ace high/busted fd's here. He's aggro pre but your stats don't show how aggro he is postflop. 2nd hand if we're going to bluff I prefer x/r'ing the flop because what do we rep on the turn? Better players than me are going to have to say whether or not bluffing is worth it there.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 322.5 BB
SB: 58.5 BB
Hero (BB): 126 BB
UTG: 42 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 4)
MP: 86 BB (VPIP: 8.70, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
CO: 174 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:heart: T:diamond:

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) J:club: J:heart: 6:club:
Hero bets 12 BB, CO raises to 164 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 104 BB and is all-in

Thinking was that there isn't much Jx in his range, leaving him with flopped fulls, quads, fd's and underpairs in his range. That range is weighted slightly more to underpairs than fulls or quads but I feel like fulls, quads and Jx probably just float flop rather than stack off.

Is my thinking right here or am I way off base?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

@Jake:
- 1st hand seems fine. Unfortunately he still reps some Tx, but he's only gonna have a few backdoor flushes. I think he probably has enough air here since you say he's an aggro fish.
- 2nd hand, I'm not really sure? I mean I don't really play against good regs since I'm on Bovada, but it seems like there's really no need to x/r a hand that has SDV on the flop? There aren't that many board runouts where he's going to triple barrel imo. No FD's on the flop, and only JT is really drawing to the river when the board runs out blank. I really don't mind your line.

Also I'm with duma that if we x/r any point the flop might be better, since we can rep 2pr and 55. But again I don't feel it's a fantastic board to bluff at at all. Also note that if we were gonna x/c flop, x/r turn as a bluff, the 5 is like the nut worst turn card, since we can't rep 55 OR KQ anymore (KQ would be afraid of only gii against AA).

@Duma: I play against absolute tards for the most part, but I'm snapping this every day of the week. Unless he's thinking on the third level here against us (why would he, since we only have 19 hands of history), I don't think he is NEVER stacking off Jx or better here on the flop. Certainly not a boat+, but I could see QQ/TT-, and a FD stacking here, to charge draws, and for FE respectively.

 

[slowhand]

My aggression frequency is 60% this month at 6 max, is that way too high? My AF is about 4 and playing 22/18 I think I'm trying to steal too many pots maybe. Just about breaking even at 5nl currently.

 

[pocketehs]

@Jake:
- 1st hand seems fine. Unfortunately he still reps some Tx, but he's only gonna have a few backdoor flushes. I think he probably has enough air here since you say he's an aggro fish.
- 2nd hand, I'm not really sure? I mean I don't really play against good regs since I'm on Bovada, but it seems like there's really no need to x/r a hand that has SDV on the flop? There aren't that many board runouts where he's going to triple barrel imo. No FD's on the flop, and only JT is really drawing to the river when the board runs out blank. I really don't mind your line.

Also I'm with duma that if we x/r any point the flop might be better, since we can rep 2pr and 55. But again I don't feel it's a fantastic board to bluff at at all. Also note that if we were gonna x/c flop, x/r turn as a bluff, the 5 is like the nut worst turn card, since we can't rep 55 OR KQ anymore (KQ would be afraid of only gii against AA).

@Duma: I play against absolute tards for the most part, but I'm snapping this every day of the week. Unless he's thinking on the third level here against us (why would he, since we only have 19 hands of history), I don't think he is NEVER stacking off Jx or better here on the flop. Certainly not a boat+, but I could see QQ/TT-, and a FD stacking here, to charge draws, and for FE respectively.

yeah I decided to x/c the turn cause the 5 sucks. What do we get calls from that I beat when I x/ship though?

Villain is what I would consider to be a top reg at the limit so hes solid and we've played a ton of hands.

Like A5s/KQ/KcQx?

 

[pocketehs]

My aggression frequency is 60% this month at 6 max, is that way too high? My AF is about 4 and playing 22/18 I think I'm trying to steal too many pots maybe. Just about breaking even at 5nl currently.

I honestly dont even use this stat...

 

[Logan2]

20bi´s up on 2nl, moving up to 5nl

Spoiler

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Awesome, Logan - keep it up!!

 

[PattyR]

Nice work Logan.

what site you play on?

 

[loafes]

Cant believe I've wasted so much time playing during afternoons. I got up ealier than normal this morning and figured well I was up I would see what crowed the cash tables had at that time. My god I guess I hit the Europen market because there was plaenty of traffic and the fish were everywhere, more regs than normal as well but the 2NL regs on 888 are nearly as exploitable as the fish.

I ended up winning a ridiculous amount of buy ins at all my tables and would have won a whole lot more had my aces not been cracked in big pots vs A8o, 88, and J10 plus the one where I had to fold the turn because of the board and action. I nearly folded a set of dueces on a cordinated board vs action but made the correct call to see total air in a 600 bb pot.
I saw one player open shove UTG for just shy of 300 bbs with 44 only to be snap called by a guy with 88 in middle position and just shy of 250bbs.

If I hadn't taken some shots at some tournaments on sunday I'd be moving to 5NL now as it is I'll just need another session and I'll be well rolled for looking at 5NL. I feel like if I had a HUD I'd do even better because I think having very few reads hurt my win rate a little. Still for a session lasting less than 3 hours that was too easy, I need to play more in the morning.

 

[micromachine]

Folding OK here?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $5.95 (VPIP: 12.34, PFR: 7.75, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 1,507)
CO: $11.34 (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 29)
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $7.00 (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 17.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.28, Hands: 1,603)
BB: $17.78 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 13.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 82)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T<font color='black'>♠</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) T<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='red'>♥</font> Q<font color='black'>♣</font>
CO bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.30, CO raises to $4.10, fold

CO wins $3.20

 

[micromachine]

Cant believe I've wasted so much time playing during afternoons. I got up ealier than normal this morning and figured well I was up I would see what crowed the cash tables had at that time. My god I guess I hit the Europen market because there was plaenty of traffic and the fish were everywhere, more regs than normal as well but the 2NL regs on 888 are nearly as exploitable as the fish.

I ended up winning a ridiculous amount of buy ins at all my tables and would have won a whole lot more had my aces not been cracked in big pots vs A8o, 88, and J10 plus the one where I had to fold the turn because of the board and action. I nearly folded a set of dueces on a cordinated board vs action but made the correct call to see total air in a 600 bb pot.
I saw one player open shove UTG for just shy of 300 bbs with 44 only to be snap called by a guy with 88 in middle position and just shy of 250bbs.

If I hadn't taken some shots at some tournaments on sunday I'd be moving to 5NL now as it is I'll just need another session and I'll be well rolled for looking at 5NL. I feel like if I had a HUD I'd do even better because I think having very few reads hurt my win rate a little. Still for a session lasting less than 3 hours that was too easy, I need to play more in the morning.

I find the mornings the worst time to play, evenings, especially weekends, are much softer than mornings on Stars at least.

Have you used the free trials of HEM2 and PT4? Definitely worth it, and by the time they've expired you might be able to buy one of them out of your roll.

Am I right in thinking the 888 2nl tables have a max buy-in of $1??

 

[loafes]

I find the mornings the worst time to play, evenings, especially weekends, are much softer than mornings on Stars at least.

Have you used the free trials of HEM2 and PT4? Definitely worth it, and by the time they've expired you might be able to buy one of them out of your roll.

Am I right in thinking the 888 2nl tables have a max buy-in of $1??

What timezone are you in? Because I'm in Australia so my mornings are night time at the other end of the world so if I make the effort to get out of bed earlier then I get to play with the people in GMT who have starting their session for the night.

888 made their 2NL 6 max tables a $1 max buy in which is a bitch but the FR are still 100bb buy in. It's annoying though because I would like to play 6 max because a higher hand rate per hour plus more postflop play gives others more chances to make mistakes and allows me to maximize my edge. Unfortunately having 50bb buy in cuts my skill edge quite a bit and the short stack tables are much higher variance so I mostly stay away from them.

As for the trials for the tracking software I don't think it's a good idea for me at the moment because I'm not using my own laptop. I have access to this one close to all the time but I don't want to be downloading software until I have my own laptop. which should be the case come Christmas. In the mean time I'm making my spending money with an ebay business while I look for work and Grind the tables with the rest of my (immense amount of) spare time

 

[micromachine]

Ah right, yeah then mornings should be good for you!

That sucks balls that the 2nl tables are only 50bb, my roll on 888 is only like $40 so I should really be playing 2nl but there is no way I'm going to play 50bb poker, so it'll be 4nl and 6nl boom or bust

 

[loafes]

888s pretty dam soft so you probably have a decent shot at a boom. even most of the regs are pretty exploitable in my view, though you never know what variance and the poker gods will do.

I have to say that having briefly tried the 50bb tables I can see why they capped it, the action is crazy. there are stacks going in basically every single hand. But I absolutely hated it, plus the variance on them is bigger.

 

[Logan2]

Awesome, Logan - keep it up!!

Nice work Logan.

what site you play on?

Cheers guys.

i´m playing on PokerStars.
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Micro, why bother on play on 888 4nl & 6nl when playing 10nl on Stars?, if is because the softer site then make sense to transfer your roll from Stars to there and play higher no?

 

[Logan2]

Now that working on blind play also start working on 4b ranges

Is this too spew? not sure on the amount of times (i suck on math) villain need to fold to the 4b or cb to this be profitable, also need to work on bet sizes on this, probably need the 4b be less.

villain is unknown but i have clear that this should be set vs regs or people we got a ton of hands and got high fold to 3/4b or high fcb.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $4.79
Hero (SB): $5.28
BB: $13.63
UTG: $8.08
MP: $2.50
CO: $4.47

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.50) A

3

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.56, BB folds

Final Pot: $2.50
Hero mucks K

9

Hero wins $2.40
(Rake: $0.10)

Also, do you guys use stats for blinds?, like bb fold to sb steal or it takes a lot of hands to mean something? i know that 4b stats need like 1k+ hands.
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[Matt Vaughan]

Don't 4b with air at 5nl without an extreme read, imo.

 

[pocketehs]

+1 Logans never avatar

 

[doomasiggy]

Now that working on blind play also start working on 4b ranges

Is this too spew?

villain is unknown

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $4.79
Hero (SB): $5.28
BB: $13.63
UTG: $8.08
MP: $2.50
CO: $4.47

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.80

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Yes, too spew. Don't try and 4bet bluff unknowns at the micros dude.​

 

[pocketehs]

Now that working on blind play also start working on 4b ranges

Is this too spew? not sure on the amount of times (i suck on math) villain need to fold to the 4b or cb to this be profitable, also need to work on bet sizes on this, probably need the 4b be less.

villain is unknown but i have clear that this should be set vs regs or people we got a ton of hands and got high fold to 3/4b or high fcb.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $4.79
Hero (SB): $5.28
BB: $13.63
UTG: $8.08
MP: $2.50
CO: $4.47

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.50) A

3

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.56, BB folds

Final Pot: $2.50
Hero mucks K

9

Hero wins $2.40
(Rake: $0.10)

Also, do you guys use stats for blinds?, like bb fold to sb steal or it takes a lot of hands to mean something? i know that 4b stats need like 1k+ hands.
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might even just call pre if you think hes wide enough

 

[Logan2]

Agree with you guys on this particular hand.

However, nanos are not like it was time back where people was only 3bting for value (at least on Pokerstars) and need to F3b like 75% , you will be surprise to see how game is evolving
and now everyone 3b, i been notice-ing a ton more 3b/squeeze and flating 3b on 2nl/5nl vs couple months back, people is 3bting a ton on Btn vs CO/MP or BB vs SB or blinds vs BTN/CO with a wider range and also calling 3b like is christmas,
so i do think we need to improve our flat to 3b range and get on some 4b bluff range too, i know how it sounds been only 2nl-5nl but just look examples.



Some hands where people 3b/squeeze me wide, cut the hands to just show 3b holdings so not be TL; DR

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $8.51
Hero (CO): $5.02

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 7

7

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Final Pot: $0.97
BTN mucks K

8

Hero shows 7

7

(flush Ace high)
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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BB: $2.00
Hero (UTG): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with 9

9

Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, SB calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.18, Hero calls $0.12, SB calls $0.12

Final Pot: $4.18
BB shows 8

A

(a pair of Eights)
Hero shows 9

9

(three of a kind, Nines)

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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BB: $1.26
Hero (CO): $2.41

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A

A

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.92, BB calls $0.96 all in

Final Pot: $2.55
BB shows A

7

(two pair, Sevens and Sixes)
Hero shows A

A

(two pair, Aces and Sixes)
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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (BB): $2.06
MP: $1.25

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with Q

K

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, MP raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.08

Final Pot: $2.53
Hero shows Q

K

(four of a kind, Nines)
MP shows J

Q

(four of a kind, Nines - lower kicker)

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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (SB): $2.08
BB: $2.65

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with T

9

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.14

Final Pot: $0.92
Hero shows T

9

(high card King)
BB shows 9

A

(high card Ace)
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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $1.77

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K

Q

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.12, BB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.06

Final Pot: $0.64
Hero shows K

Q

(two pair, Aces and Kings)
SB shows 2

2

(two pair, Aces and Deuces)

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Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BB: $4.22
Hero (UTG): $2.94

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q

A

Hero raises to $0.06, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.06

Final Pot: $0.57
BB shows 7

7

(three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero mucks Q

A

This are only some of the hands i see showdown and take out all TT+/AQ+ 3b which are standard, my fold to 3b stat is 63% this month,
so imagine how much crap they have on all 3b hands i end folding, and is only 2nl wtf?? : - /




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[Cafeman]

For sure there's some light 3betting going on at the nanos, no doubt about it. I do disagree with the blanket statement, "do not bluff at the micros." It's about villains' tendencies right, no matter what we're playing for.

EDIT: I mean, I guess it comes from the blanket average bad player at the micros being a passive station, but when you come across someone who is not like this, you need to act accordingly.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Don't 4b with air at 5nl without an extreme read, imo.

No blanket statements here.

 

[Cafeman]

Not 4betting without knowing the 3bettor might be light and folds to 4bets, is not really what I was talking about.

I was basically agreeing with Logan's experience that light 3betting occurs at all limits really - and not just on Pokerstars.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Fair enough.