MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[JCgrind]

Play a positional game, c-bet a lot on good flops, and bet like crazy for value. That's all you need to do to crush the micros.

more like all you need to do is learn when its not appropriate to stack TPTK and marginal overpairs

 

[JCgrind]

Only 6 hands vs villain so we are blind here.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -

MP1: $19.34
Hero (MP2): $10.00
CO: $8.35
BTN: $4.00
SB: $6.19
BB: $12.35
UTG: $10.59
UTG+1: $10.51

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with 7

7

2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 7

A

4

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) 6

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2, MP1 calls $1.10

River: ($6.35) 5

(2 players)
MP1 bets $1.30, Hero?


I think i play bad the the hand, should raise flop, Turn i think is ok but after he call not sure what to do on river, do i ever shove there or just call, min beting on river could be because he hit the flush or st8 and trying to induce or because he is afraid and only have the Ace, what we do?, board is too wet to shove because we only be call if we are beat no? or we could at least raise to like $3.xx and if come over fold.?
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snap call river. im pretty sure its 2pair being scared of the flush. no micro villain bets 1/5th of the pot with a flush here

EDIT: oops. i should read the whole thread before i post. nice call. what a lol hand

 

[micromachine]

Really hated this hand against a super aggro villain - 46/44, 40% 3b (8/20 times), AfQ 62.5, 50 hands. Is 4 bet shoving > 4 betting? He probably thinks it is likely I am adjusting to him 3betting me continuously so might call a shove light. Obviously I hate the flop and his donk bet, and I have no idea whether I am good or not I went to war with him once already in a 3bet pot and he stacked me by flopping trip Kings

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($53.91)
SB ($27.24)
BB ($25.35)
UTG ($24.90)
Hero (MP) ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, Q

1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $5.25, BB calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.60) A

, 3

, 8

(2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.60 | Rake: $0.48

Results:
BB didn't show

 

[duggs]

just found this thread, i prefer 4betting to 4bet shoving since you force him to have a moderate hand to call rather than letting him punt really hard by 5betting.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I have no excuse at all, i should be raising that flop 100% of the time.



At the end i flat.

You guys try to guess what he have before read the spoiler.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -

MP1: $19.34
Hero (MP2): $10.00
CO: $8.35
BTN: $4.00
SB: $6.19
BB: $12.35
UTG: $10.59
UTG+1: $10.51

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with 7

7

2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 7

A

4

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35) 6

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2, MP1 calls $1.10

River: ($6.35) 5

(2 players)
MP1 bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Final Pot: $8.95

Spoiler

MP1 shows 7

K

(a pair of Sevens)
Hero shows 7

7

(three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero wins $8.55
(Rake: $0.40)

No Ace, no PP not FD or SD lol i´m so dumb, pretty much he stay on the hand because i no raise the flop and raise crap on turn.

Lol label that sucker....

 

[pocketehs]

bunch of buddies from high school came back into town from uni tonight and we played the worst game of poker you wouldve ever seen before going to the bar tonight. But the stakes were that all the losers buy the winner drinks all night, cabs home etc. Guess who won?

Results below:

Spoiler

Im wasted lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Hahahaha wp.

 

[AlfieAA]

Really hated this hand against a super aggro villain - 46/44, 40% 3b (8/20 times), AfQ 62.5, 50 hands. Is 4 bet shoving > 4 betting? He probably thinks it is likely I am adjusting to him 3betting me continuously so might call a shove light. Obviously I hate the flop and his donk bet, and I have no idea whether I am good or not I went to war with him once already in a 3bet pot and he stacked me by flopping trip Kings

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($53.91)
SB ($27.24)
BB ($25.35)
UTG ($24.90)
Hero (MP) ($25.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, Q

1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $5.25, BB calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.60) A

, 3

, 8

(2 players)
BB bets $5.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.60 | Rake: $0.48

Results:
BB didn't show

Maybe a bigger 4bet would have got him to fold, say $7.50....he's prob got AQ here I think,,,or he could have ace rag, but either way you're f****d...

 

[Yoshimiii]

Stats like them he has probably got any A/X hand, he probably gets attached to his ace/x hands pre-flop.. Well played, calling the river is a mistake here imo. I also agree with a bigger 4 bet.

 

[The Messiah]

In that hand mm, just station him, your miles ahead of his range, expect to take it down majority of the time, im never folding consid the action.....

 

[AlfieAA]

Edit* not that you want the villian to fold to your 4bet lol, but make him pay if he hits the ace on the flop....like messiah said stationing him would be reasonable here too.

 

[Logan2]

just found this thread...

Welcome Sir

Micro, gl on 25nl, still running 16nl?, what is your plan.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Is this the optimal play? I thought that UTG had A/K or A/Q, or J/J or lower. Btn I thought had anything from 8/8 up to A/10+ as he was a fish and he only called the raise first time.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2039397
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $11.18
UTG: $12.23
CO: $10.05
BTN: $4.64

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q :spade: Q :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.90, BTN raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $10.05 all in, UTG raises to $12.23 all in, BTN calls $2.54 all in

Flop: ($24.84) T :diamond: J :club: 3 :club: (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: ($24.84) A :spade: (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($24.84) K :heart: (3 players - 3 are all in)

 

[AlfieAA]

What does optimal play mean in terms of a playing style?...I thought it was used in the context of sticking to the optimal level I.e 2nl (for me) that you are qualified for???

 

[pocketehs]

Is this the optimal play? I thought that UTG had A/K or A/Q, or J/J or lower. Btn I thought had anything from 8/8 up to A/10+ as he was a fish and he only called the raise first time.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2039397
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $10.05
BB: $11.18
UTG: $12.23
CO: $10.05
BTN: $4.64

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q ♠ Q ♦
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.90, BTN raises to $2.10, Hero raises to $10.05 all in, UTG raises to $12.23 all in, BTN calls $2.54 all in

Flop: ($24.84) T ♦ J ♣ 3 ♣ (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: ($24.84) A ♠ (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($24.84) K ♥ (3 players - 3 are all in)

This is rattling my brain. Ive been looking at it for a while now so here is what I think...

I think the BTNs range is a lot strong because of his actions. He limped, raised and usually when I see this I assume its premium hands so I would say that he would have a range of maybe JJ+/AK esp cos fish like to flat with big hands to trap us.

I think the UTG range is probably weighted towards hands like AK/AQ cos of the flat call from your raise.

Personally, I like the shove cos were OOP and dont want to go to a 3-way flop. If we shove, we can isolate the BTN who only has ~50bbs anyway and cos UTG has played the hand kind of passively from what we can see I think it he is going to fold more often than not and even if he does call were still in good shape against his range.

I hope this makes sense but its probs all wrong

What does optimal play mean in terms of a playing style?...I thought it was used in the context of sticking to the optimal level I.e 2nl (for me) that you are qualified for???

Best play / decision in the particular situation

 

[Yoshimiii]

Pocketes you should have more faith in your self, "I hope this makes sense but its probs all wrong". Actually the same thought process went through my head, BTN showed down J/J, UTG showed A/A lol, that should teach him not to slow play Aces in the future!

 

[Yoshimiii]

Another hand here: I feel as though you are all going to say it's a pretty ovbious fold vs passive fish.

Villain stats: 47/6/16

Hand sample: 38

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2039464
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $12.41
SB: $5.08
BB: $12.27
UTG: $6.46
MP: $11.44
CO: $11.06

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J :diamond: K :diamond:
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 8 :spade: K :heart: 9 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) 7 :club: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG raises to $5.46 all in, Hero calls $3.96

River: ($13.07) 7 :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

 

[pocketehs]

Another hand here: I feel as though you are all going to say it's a pretty ovbious fold vs passive fish.

Villain stats: 47/6/16

Hand sample: 38

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2039464
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $12.41
SB: $5.08
BB: $12.27
UTG: $6.46
MP: $11.44
CO: $11.06

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J ♦ K ♦
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 8 ♠ K ♥ 9 ♦ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.15) 7 ♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.50, UTG raises to $5.46 all in, Hero calls $3.96

River: ($13.07) 7 ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)

Passive? isnt a AF of 16 insanely aggressive?

But yeah i would let it go man. Hate spots like this the most because I always think "hes a shortstack fish maybe I should just call for the extra $4" haha

Sidenote - pretty proud of myself right now cause I lost a couple big pots and started to tilt and manage to shut 'er down for the day without trying to chase it back

 

[AlfieAA]

This is rattling my brain. Ive been looking at it for a while now so here is what I think...

I think the BTNs range is a lot strong because of his actions. He limped, raised and usually when I see this I assume its premium hands so I would say that he would have a range of maybe JJ+/AK esp cos fish like to flat with big hands to trap us.

I think the UTG range is probably weighted towards hands like AK/AQ cos of the flat call from your raise.

Personally, I like the shove cos were OOP and dont want to go to a 3-way flop. If we shove, we can isolate the BTN who only has ~50bbs anyway and cos UTG has played the hand kind of passively from what we can see I think it he is going to fold more often than not and even if he does call were still in good shape against his range.

I hope this makes sense but its probs all wrong

yeah i agree with this, its scary how fast you are getting good doc, deffo see you at 25nl next year

Best play / decision in the particular situation

ty

 

[AlfieAA]

Passive? isnt a AF of 16 insanely aggressive?

But yeah i would let it go man. Hate spots like this the most because I always think "hes a shortstack fish maybe I should just call for the extra $4" haha

Sidenote - pretty proud of myself right now cause I lost a couple big pots and started to tilt and manage to shut 'er down for the day without trying to chase it back

passive pre flop agg post?....this is deffo someone who does alot of limping

Edit....13%-20% AFQ is very passive....so he is not agg post flop......i dont know by how many units AF goes up to....is it like 6?

 

[pocketehs]

Have a question about implied odds....

A while back I started a thread about implied odds and it helps a lot however in the situations discussed it was only about hands where there was one villain. Does the situation change if theres a 3bet and caller and infront of us? Ive provided a hand below for anyone to work off of

Original thread about implied odds: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/learning-poker-57/odds-setmining-215559/

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Villain 2 (BB) ($3.85)
UTG ($5)
Hero (UTG+1) ($5.07)
MP1 ($3.96)
MP2 ($5.93)
MP3 ($4)
Villain 1 (CO) ($2.23)
Button ($9.92)
SB ($1.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3

, 3

1 fold, Hero bets $0.18, 3 folds, Villain 1 raises to $0.51, 2 folds, Villain 2 calls $0.46, 1 fold

 

[micromachine]

^^ Yes having more players in the pot increases your implied odds. If we go by the 20x call to stack ratio which I often use, you can include both villains stacks. So whereas you would want ~20x vs 1 villain, only ~10x is probably fine if there are 2 villains with full stacks.

In the hand you show above neither villain has a full 100bb stack. But you need to call 33c and their combined stacks are 6.08, which is 18x call to stack so, even though you are OOP I would call especially because they are both short and therefore probably fish who might spew in a 3bet pot.

 

[micromachine]

Micro, gl on 25nl, still running 16nl?, what is your plan.

Ty man, not sure really...not even properly rolled for 25nl yet so playing pretty conservatively and just trying to find fish at 16 and 25 really

 

[Yoshimiii]

Sorry I posted it wrong, he had Agg % of 16 post-flop, not AF. Very different.

 

[Yoshimiii]

^^ Yes having more players in the pot increases your implied odds. If we go by the 20x call to stack ratio which I often use, you can include both villains stacks. So whereas you would want ~20x vs 1 villain, only ~10x is probably fine if there are 2 villains with full stacks.

In the hand you show above neither villain has a full 100bb stack. But you need to call 33c and their combined stacks are 6.08, which is 18x call to stack so, even though you are OOP I would call especially because they are both short and therefore probably fish who might spew in a 3bet pot.

I wouldn't have thought it would work like you say, as there is more chance of one person going all in post flop if there are more people in the multi-way pot, however I wouldn't have thought by adding both stacks together you can count it as one stack because if one villain goes all in, it is much less likely that the other villain will go all in as well as he needs a much stronger hand to call. So I wouldn't half the stacks to 10x to call but I would decrease it slightly to 15x times to need to make the call... Hope I made sense. This is how I view it atleast anyway, might be wrong with my logic.

Edit: also I think it would be better to have one person with a full stack 100BB's, rather than two people with 50BB's as if both people go all in you have more chance of getting sucked out on. I know you do lose less if you get sucked out on but compared to the 100BB's you still win the same amount but have less chance of getting sucked out on or coolered.