MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[micromachine]

^^ yeah you make a good point...I did think about that and almost wrote 12x instead lol..12x-15x prob better than 10x

 

[Yoshimiii]

Could I have found a fold here? I think the only option to fold is the turn bet, where he is setting up a river shove. Just so hard to fold with TPTK when you are blocking A/A and K/K is so unlikely. (Judging by what I said, it's pretty ovbious to know what hand he had but meh.)

Villain was a complete unknown who had just sat down.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2039831
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SB: $10.00
BB: $12.43
Hero (UTG): $17.86
MP: $17.76
CO: $13.70
BTN: $10.32

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A :diamond: K :club:
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.00) K :spade: 3 :spade: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

Turn: ($6.60) 2 :club: (2 players)
SB bets $3.70, Hero raises to $11, SB calls $3.20 all in

River: ($20.40) 8 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

 

[duggs]

4 combos that beat you, 6 we chop with, given he is an unknown you could either do the cash equiv of scoping him. or just give him a wider range. AQss AJss KQs are possible and thats 4 combos. KQo/KJo reduced combos if he is spewy. QQ JJ both possible but unlikely to bet turn. I would rather call/call than allow him to bet fold Ax blockers against us. If we know he is a nitball we can just r/f pre but given unknown i call turn call river, and if he checks river i jam.

Its just too often he turns out to be a button masher given no history

 

[Yoshimiii]

Man I try to stiffle my emotions when playing poker but this hand made me just a littttle bit annoyed at him...

I had just stacked him for 150BB's in the hand before. He was a maniac.

PokerStars Hand #91045129371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/12/20 16:13:59 WET [2012/12/20 11:13:59 ET]
Table 'Erminia IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: salavatulaev ($10.81 in chips)
Seat 2: Yoshimiii ($32.26 in chips)
Seat 3: start36 ($25.27 in chips)
Seat 4: EJJEALOAR ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: viziter56 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: donkhat3r ($15.51 in chips)
salavatulaev: posts small blind $0.05
Yoshimiii: posts big blind $0.10
viziter56: posts small blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yoshimiii [Ah Kc]
start36: folds
EJJEALOAR: raises $0.20 to $0.30
viziter56: raises $0.20 to $0.50
donkhat3r: folds
salavatulaev: folds
Yoshimiii: raises $1 to $1.50
EJJEALOAR: folds
viziter56: raises $8.45 to $9.95 and is all-in
Yoshimiii: calls $8.45
*** FLOP *** [9s Jd 6d]
*** TURN *** [9s Jd 6d] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [9s Jd 6d 3c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Yoshimiii: shows [Ah Kc] (high card Ace)
viziter56: shows [2c 2s] (a pair of Deuces)
viziter56 collected $19.39 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.30 | Rake $0.91
Board [9s Jd 6d 3c 7h]
Seat 1: salavatulaev (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Yoshimiii (big blind) showed [Ah Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: start36 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EJJEALOAR folded before Flop
Seat 5: viziter56 showed [2c 2s] and won ($19.39) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: donkhat3r (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

 

[AlfieAA]

@yoshimmi aaah the good old coin flip...not alot you can do here, just have to accept it and move on...

 

[pocketehs]

Man I try to stiffle my emotions when playing poker but this hand made me just a littttle bit annoyed at him...

I had just stacked him for 150BB's in the hand before. He was a maniac.

PokerStars Hand #91045129371: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/12/20 16:13:59 WET [2012/12/20 11:13:59 ET]
Table 'Erminia IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: salavatulaev ($10.81 in chips)
Seat 2: Yoshimiii ($32.26 in chips)
Seat 3: start36 ($25.27 in chips)
Seat 4: EJJEALOAR ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: viziter56 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: donkhat3r ($15.51 in chips)
salavatulaev: posts small blind $0.05
Yoshimiii: posts big blind $0.10
viziter56: posts small blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yoshimiii [Ah Kc]
start36: folds
EJJEALOAR: raises $0.20 to $0.30
viziter56: raises $0.20 to $0.50
donkhat3r: folds
salavatulaev: folds
Yoshimiii: raises $1 to $1.50
EJJEALOAR: folds
viziter56: raises $8.45 to $9.95 and is all-in
Yoshimiii: calls $8.45
*** FLOP *** [9s Jd 6d]
*** TURN *** [9s Jd 6d] 3♣
*** RIVER *** [9s Jd 6d 3c] 7♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Yoshimiii: shows [Ah Kc] (high card Ace)
viziter56: shows [2c 2s] (a pair of Deuces)
viziter56 collected $19.39 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.30 | Rake $0.91
Board [9s Jd 6d 3c 7h]
Seat 1: salavatulaev (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Yoshimiii (big blind) showed [Ah Kc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: start36 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: EJJEALOAR folded before Flop
Seat 5: viziter56 showed [2c 2s] and won ($19.39) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 6: donkhat3r (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I guess if you have history with him then I probably wouldve been fine GII pre here for 100bbs. I know at 2-5nl a general amount of people are only shipping like QQ+/AK for 100bbs and in those situations were dominated pretty well. Some looser players I can also include JJ/AQ.

Was wondering what range you put the villain on here? I think his 5-bet jam looks pretty strong. Tough one man

 

[Logan2]

10nl. We have QQ on LP villain on MP raise 4x, we 3b 3x and villain insta 4b 3x, not many hands (less than 50) villain is a fish 42/26 3B:10, not enough hands for 4b, but on previews 3B he face (not by me) he just flat. still ship it?.


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[dsvw56]

4 combos that beat you, 6 we chop with, given he is an unknown you could either do the cash equiv of scoping him. or just give him a wider range. AQss AJss KQs are possible and thats 4 combos. KQo/KJo reduced combos if he is spewy. QQ JJ both possible but unlikely to bet turn. I would rather call/call than allow him to bet fold Ax blockers against us. If we know he is a nitball we can just r/f pre but given unknown i call turn call river, and if he checks river i jam.

Its just too often he turns out to be a button masher given no history

Jamming the turn here is the much better play. He's already got most of his money in the pot and just calling lets the FD get away when it misses the river. It's not like he's ever folding any K or a FD here.

 

[pocketehs]

I wouldn't have thought it would work like you say, as there is more chance of one person going all in post flop if there are more people in the multi-way pot, however I wouldn't have thought by adding both stacks together you can count it as one stack because if one villain goes all in, it is much less likely that the other villain will go all in as well as he needs a much stronger hand to call. So I wouldn't half the stacks to 10x to call but I would decrease it slightly to 15x times to need to make the call... Hope I made sense. This is how I view it atleast anyway, might be wrong with my logic.

Edit: also I think it would be better to have one person with a full stack 100BB's, rather than two people with 50BB's as if both people go all in you have more chance of getting sucked out on. I know you do lose less if you get sucked out on but compared to the 100BB's you still win the same amount but have less chance of getting sucked out on or coolered.

^^ yeah you make a good point...I did think about that and almost wrote 12x instead lol..12x-15x prob better than 10x

Thanks for the help guys. So we would combine the two stack sizes for our ESS to compare our 15 x money to call?

 

[dsvw56]

I guess if you have history with him then I probably wouldve been fine GII pre here for 100bbs. I know at 2-5nl a general amount of people are only shipping like QQ+/AK for 100bbs and in those situations were dominated pretty well. Some looser players I can also include JJ/AQ.

Was wondering what range you put the villain on here? I think his 5-bet jam looks pretty strong. Tough one man

This is 6-max, shipping AK is 100% standard PF given any sort of aggressive history. Given that villain is a LAGtard calling here is a fistpump. The fact that he just got stacked the previous hand in a big pot, our calling range should be very wide here, like at least TT+,AJ+.

 

[Logan2]

10nl. We have QQ on LP villain on MP raise 4x, we 3b 3x and villain insta 4b 3x, not many hands (less than 50) villain is a fish 42/26 3B:10, not enough hands for 4b, but on previews 3B he face (not by me) he just flat. still ship it?.
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bump because ended betwen other hand

 

[dsvw56]

10nl. We have QQ on LP villain on MP raise 4x, we 3b 3x and villain insta 4b 3x, not many hands (less than 50) villain is a fish 42/26 3B:10, not enough hands for 4b, but on previews 3B he face (not by me) he just flat. still ship it?.


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Given villains stats so far, there's no way I'm ever folding here. Ship and feel happy about it. Even if his range is JJ+,AK we're essentially flipping, like 47/53 or something like that. Expect to see worse than that fairly often.

 

[Yoshimiii]

I guess if you have history with him then I probably wouldve been fine GII pre here for 100bbs. I know at 2-5nl a general amount of people are only shipping like QQ+/AK for 100bbs and in those situations were dominated pretty well. Some looser players I can also include JJ/AQ.

Was wondering what range you put the villain on here? I think his 5-bet jam looks pretty strong. Tough one man

I would usually not stack off with Q/Q or A/K against a reg but this guy was the definition of a maniac lol, 94Vpip or something and he had shoved many times pre-flop randomly with cards like K/Qo, against this guy anything but calling his shove here was a mistake.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Thanks for the help guys. So we would combine the two stack sizes for our ESS to compare our 15 x money to call?

I don't know what "ESS" means but... when I am against two opponents I generally want them to have 20x the stack of their bet to call (this lowers if I am IP), this is because when calling to setmine I usually go by the 25x-30x rule. So I generally lower it to 20x with two opponents in the pot, there are exceptions, like if one guy has 23x bet and other has 16x I would probably call. Also if I think a nit is raising extremely tight I will try to set mine so I can stack him of... But I used to call so often trying to hit sets that I found it was a major leak and cut back immensely on it. Also Dan Harrington suggested the 25x Stack of bet to call trying to hit a set as so often you will just have to fold.

Edit: ovbiously with these strict rules I set myself I rarely have a good opportunity and even when I do I usually miss the sets.

Hope I answered your question, kind of got off track abit, reply if I am not making any sense .

 

[AlfieAA]

I don't know what "ESS" means but... when I am against two opponents I generally want them to have 20x the stack of their bet to call (this lowers if I am IP), this is because when calling to setmine I usually go by the 25x-30x rule. So I generally lower it to 20x with two opponents in the pot, there are exceptions, like if one guy has 23x bet and other has 16x I would probably call. Also if I think a nit is raising extremely tight I will try to set mine so I can stack him of... But I used to call so often trying to hit sets that I found it was a major leak and cut back immensely on it. Also Dan Harrington suggested the 25x Stack of bet to call trying to hit a set as so often you will just have to fold.

Edit: ovbiously with these strict rules I set myself I rarely have a good opportunity and even when I do I usually miss the sets.

Hope I answered your question, kind of got off track abit, reply if I am not making any sense .

i think ESS means effective stack size....i could be wrong though

 

[pocketehs]

Someone tell me how bad I played this..

Villain: 23/6/1 over 47 hands.

I didnt 3-bet pre because I didnt think JJ was strong enough if villain came over the top with a 4-bet then I would have been put in a tough spot. I think with that logic though I just try to check call all the way to the river, right? the c/r on the flop is bad then right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Villain (Button) ($3.29)
SB ($1.95)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($6)
MP ($5.75)
CO ($6.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Villain bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) 5

, 4

, 6

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Villain bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Villain raises to $3.09 (All-In), Hero calls $2.09

 

[AlfieAA]

Someone tell me how bad I played this..

Villain: 23/6/1 over 47 hands.

I didnt 3-bet pre because I didnt think JJ was strong enough if villain came over the top with a 4-bet then I would have been put in a tough spot. I think with that logic though I just try to check call all the way to the river, right? the c/r on the flop is bad then right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Villain (Button) ($3.29)
SB ($1.95)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($6)
MP ($5.75)
CO ($6.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Villain bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) 5

, 4

, 6

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Villain bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Villain raises to $3.09 (All-In), Hero calls $2.09

loose passive villian here, which means when he 3bet shoves the flop you GTFO....most likely he hit his set...mid/low pairs is a big part of his range...

yeah you played it bad imo...but i dont blame you for paying him off at the same time...just dont get in a habit of doing that when an extremely wet flop hits this guys range ...

 

[RWPKRPLR]

If you 3bet this you can further define his hand, no one at this level will be 4betting light so if he come over the top easy decisions are to come. Also 3 betting him wil prob isolate him and being a fish over 47 hands it should be easy to determine what his range is based on his action on the flop.

 

[Yoshimiii]

If you 3bet this you can further define his hand, no one at this level will be 4betting light so if he come over the top easy decisions are to come. Also 3 betting him wil prob isolate him and being a fish over 47 hands it should be easy to determine what his range is based on his action on the flop.

I agree that a 3 bet with the J/J pre-flop usually will be a good saying of where you stand. His stats are not very fishy however, just more Loose/Passive so I from the line you took I think it's not good at all. Check calling would be the best, evaluating each street based on the card and his bet sizing. I only ever check-raise bluffs (hardly ever do at these stakes) or sets when the villain is a fish who cbets lots and will call a big check-raise.

Overall I do hate the check-raise but once you do check-raise you have to call the shove I think.

 

[AlfieAA]

BR busto ...until 12am .....thoughts on hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($6.46)
MP1 ($3.82)
Hero (MP2) ($1.83)
CO ($2.26)
Button ($4.51)
SB ($4.06)
BB ($4.84)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, K

2 folds, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.18, Hero calls $0.14, CO calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.80) 7

, A

, 2

(4 players)
SB bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.63 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls $1.23

Turn: ($4.06) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.06) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.06 | Rake: $0.14

 

[JOEBOB69]

That was a 4bet pre all day long Alfie

 

[Logan2]

Someone tell me how bad I played this..

Villain: 23/6/1 over 47 hands.

I didnt 3-bet pre because I didnt think JJ was strong enough if villain came over the top with a 4-bet then I would have been put in a tough spot. I think with that logic though I just try to check call all the way to the river, right? the c/r on the flop is bad then right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Villain (Button) ($3.29)
SB ($1.95)
Hero (BB) ($5)
UTG ($6)
MP ($5.75)
CO ($6.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

UTG calls $0.05, 2 folds, Villain bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, UTG calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) 5

, 4

, 6

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Villain bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Villain raises to $3.09 (All-In), Hero calls $2.09

Even when his PFR is 6, he is on BTN so his range could be wider and just stealing, so 3B here should help to take the hand right there, to give some info or to at least isolate and go HU vs him.

As played the plan to just check-call was fine i guess, hate the Ch-R too like yoshii but still i fold because we beat only 88-99-1010 but lose to 44-55-66-QQ-KK-AA. I don´t think a passive player like this go wild there with AK/AQ unless he have the FD, but still on those cases he probably just call to see if hit.


edit...
47 hands are not many but should be enough to give us a rough idea how he is playing from BTN if we see his R1 or STL stat by position.


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[AlfieAA]

That was a 4bet pre all day long Alfie

yeah good point, squeeze the cold caller too...... he called with AQ and spiked the Q on the turn...sick

 

[pocketehs]

I agree that a 3 bet with the J/J pre-flop usually will be a good saying of where you stand. His stats are not very fishy however, just more Loose/Passive so I from the line you took I think it's not good at all. Check calling would be the best, evaluating each street based on the card and his bet sizing. I only ever check-raise bluffs (hardly ever do at these stakes) or sets when the villain is a fish who cbets lots and will call a big check-raise.

Overall I do hate the check-raise but once you do check-raise you have to call the shove I think.

Even when his PFR is 6, he is on BTN so his range could be wider and just stealing, so 3B here should help to take the hand right there, to give some info or to at least isolate and go HU vs him.

As played the plan to just check-call was fine i guess, hate the Ch-R too like yoshii but still i fold because we beat only 88-99-1010 but lose to 44-55-66-QQ-KK-AA. I don´t think a passive player like this go wild there with AK/AQ unless he have the FD, but still on those cases he probably just call to see if hit.


edit...
47 hands are not many but should be enough to give us a rough idea how he is playing from BTN if we see his R1 or STL stat by position.

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Ya a 3-bet/fold to 4 bet is probably best esp cos were OOP. Not even sure why I c/r here anymore becos its a line that I rarely ever take unless I have the absolute nuts on the river or something. I had a hand with him earlier where he opened UTG with KQs and jammed a FD vs my set however even with this note it makes more sense to 3-bet pre.

Thanks everyone for the response.

 

[Yoshimiii]

ye Alfie that is always a 4bet pre with three people in pot, being OOP and having a short stack...