MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

Man, i say 888 tables looks similar to Stars when i take the screenies, and than having a hard time on 888 to get tables going, i´m having to mix 6nl with 10nl all this week and i only play 4 tables, which bring me the question to get back to Stars, but then i´m winning on 888 which make me wonder if is the softer playerpool or just a heater.

i´m not even playing on Stars , but i don´t bring the Stars lack of table thing
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[Logan2]

Does anyone playing on Stars try PokerStars 7?
Get a email from Stars where mention the new features.

Worth it or not? does huds work on 7 and can i get back to PokerStars 6 if not like?.
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[duggs]

not out on mac yet so haven't tried it,

 

[seanDCFC]

Does anyone playing on Stars try PokerStars 7?
Get a email from Stars where mention the new features.

Worth it or not? does huds work on 7 and can i get back to PokerStars 6 if not like?.
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I'm using Pokerstars 7, I quite like the look of it. The huds do work on 7 and there is an option to switch back if you wanted to.

 

[Mase31683]

Keep it rolling boys

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I agree with redwards fwiw. I think the points about 888 being softer but the players/flop being similar don't tell the whole story at all. Players/flop =/= average fishiness.

Even if not that many players get to flop on average, they could just never fold postflop or something lol.

 

[somersetlad9]

i've been playing on a site called Yachting Poker. absolute gold mine for cash games and actually the traffic is better than ipoker at lower stakes

 

[Logan2]

not out on mac yet so haven't tried it,

I'm using Pokerstars 7, I quite like the look of it. The huds do work on 7 and there is an option to switch back if you wanted to.

Great, thanks.

Waiting funds arrive from 888, so have some time to play with the software and see if like it.
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Solid gyraph Mase, fifty & 100?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Guessing 10nl-25nl mostly.

 

[Logan2]

umm, $200 on 10nl are 20bi's, or 8bi's on 25nl, if mix both levels still look like more than 10bi on 5000 hands which sounds too much.

Was thinking 50-100 because then could be like 3bi's which for 5000 hands looks like standard, no?
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[duggs]

rolling on, turned this month around

 

[Matt Vaughan]

umm, $200 on 10nl are 20bi's, or 8bi's on 25nl, if mix both levels still look like more than 10bi on 5000 hands which sounds too much.

Was thinking 50-100 because then could be like 3bi's which for 5000 hands looks like standard, no?
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Um, yes, but how many $25+/hand swings do you see? He's obviously running decent to have no real dips, but if he's playing 50nl and 100nl, you'd expect to see WAY more hands where he won or lost like 30+bb, and at least a few pots where he got stacks in.

Also it's only 5k hands - there's probably only like a 20% chance that he runs +/- 1bb/100 of his true win-rate, and I don't think that 20BI's in 5k hands is "too much." In fact it's only 40bb/100, which is a standard hot-streak over that # of hands imo. Pretty hot, but not outrageous. You see people running at 75+bb/100 every once in a while over 5k hands.

Even easier to explain if it's primarily at 25nl. 8 BI's over 5k hands is only 16bb/100. Pretty standard if you're running reasonably well over those 5k hands.

 

[duggs]

agree, its waaay too smooth for 50 or 100

 

[Logan2]

Well, lets wait to Mase tell us which stakes are
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Nice turn around and well deserved duggs!!

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Really like PokerStars 7, i like the looks but mostly love the filters feature, like when only want 100bbs or deep or mixed or what stakes, you can set all filters you want and save them for later instead of having to manually look for different things , also the options to the right with your news and tools is very nice, the show balance feature instead of have to open cashier was about time.

A screenie

Spoiler

 

[Logan2]

Still can't play, so reviewing some hands.


thoughts on this two?

Pacific $6.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

Hero (BTN): $6.00
SB: $4.50 - VPIP: 64, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 1.4, Hands: 22
BB: $6.55
UTG: $3.04
MP: $6.00
CO: $4.35

Pre Flop: ($0.09) Hero is BTN with J

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.42) K

J

Q

SB checks, Hero bets $0.21, SB calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.84) 7

SB bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

River: ($1.08) 4

SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Spoiler

Final Pot: $1.20
Hero shows J

A

SB shows A

9

Hero wins $1.13
(Rake: $0.07)

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What range we give nit here?, guessing he 3b QQ+/AK pre, so flating 22-JJ, AQ/AJ/KQ & sc, i don't think this guy bluff much or raise just FD when AF is 1.4., so 44/55/99/TT/JJ, not much 9x that can see.
bigger turn?, action vs raise?, Gii or call
Pacific $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $9.14
CO: $3.21
BTN: $0.78
SB: $4.29 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 355

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with A

A

Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.12, SB calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.40) 9

4

9

SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.00) 5

SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero ??

 

[Mase31683]

It's all $10nl so far, I haven't played online in forever so taking it slow. I should start hitting up $25 here soon though.

Played some PLO today, and holy crap. I can't wait to hit up some of THAT live.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

It's all $10nl so far, I haven't played online in forever so taking it slow. I should start hitting up $25 here soon though.

Played some PLO today, and holy crap. I can't wait to hit up some of THAT live.

Weeeeee dat 40bb/100 win-rate.

5k hands =/= sample. (That's the last thing I'll say on the matter )

P.S. I've heard from reliable sources that while live PLO is the nuts, it's also the nut low. If variance hits you - and it will - be prepared to die a little inside every time you play.

 

[Logan2]

Agree on the 5k hands not a sample, but is not the 40bb that make think on higher level, is the 20bi on 5k hand, i do think is too much, i never have a heater like that not even on 2nl.

but i guess if he can have 20bi that easy, can also have a 20 downer too, so guess is fine not having those.
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[duggs]

i mean its not thaaaat atypical a heater. i have won at 100bb/100 for 5k hands before.

 

[micromachine]

Logan-

AJ - Well it's not like we are ever folding to those silly bets and I see no point in turning your hand into a bluff so yeah its fine.

AA - That 1% gap between VP and PFR is likely to be 22-JJ and maybe AQ only. Plus I doubt he bluffs much, so I give him a TT/JJ/99/55/44 range for the turn with less weight on TT an JJ becasue I think he'll flat your bet with those sometimes, so I'm leaning towards folding

 

[Matt Vaughan]

i mean its not thaaaat atypical a heater. i have won at 100bb/100 for 5k hands before.

The only reason I didn't cite this exact one as an example was because that was at deep. But I have seen tons of 40-70bb/100 runs over 5-10k hands.

 

[Mase31683]

I can't really say what "normal" would be for me at $10nl, cuz I never played before. But overall, it's just villains willing to put in terrible money. I wasn't expecting to see people shipping stacks off like this. I'd heard how online had gotten way stronger, but the games I'm in right now I'd say the players are on the same level as most $200nl live fish just with more aggression.

I was pulling 8bb+/100 at $50nl back when I played online. Not sure the exact numbers (computer got destroyed) but I know it was $45 and a little change/hour 9-12 tabling. *Edit* Did some quick math and it'd be somewhere between 5.35-7.14 ptbb/100 based on 9-12 tables. That sounds about right, I never did winrates in bb, it was always BB (PTBB) */Edit*. I'm gonna be jumping to $25nl if there are games running anyway so if I get smacked around there I'll get a larger sample size for $10.

I finished my flight instructor upgrade, so I'm gonna have some time to actually play. Looking forward to that.

$10plo and $25nl coming up!

 

[micromachine]

Which site are you playing on?

 

[Logan2]

I guess that Mase used to beat 50nl explained then.

Logan-

AJ - Well it's not like we are ever folding to those silly bets and I see no point in turning your hand into a bluff so yeah its fine.

AA - That 1% gap between VP and PFR is likely to be 22-JJ and maybe AQ only. Plus I doubt he bluffs much, so I give him a TT/JJ/99/55/44 range for the turn with less weight on TT an JJ becasue I think he'll flat your bet with those sometimes, so I'm leaning towards folding

Glad you said that, because i actually fold but unsure if too nitty
Should i bet bigger turn or fine?

Pacific $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $9.14
CO: $3.21
BTN: $0.78
SB: $4.29 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 13, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 355

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is UTG with A

A

Hero raises to $0.12, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.12, SB calls $0.10, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.40) 9

4

9

SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.00) 5

SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero folds

Final Pot: $2.00
SB wins $1.00
(Rake: $0.10)

 

[micromachine]

yeah I'd make it around 65c there