MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[duggs]

I studied at Victoria university of Wellington for 4 years now doing masters in Norway, did Econ and psych and now just Econ. Soooo happy I did, went in unsure about what to take but really happy with my selection, would be a useful thing to post about if you want input

 

[Matt Vaughan]

@Mase: Weeeeeeeeeee

 

[Matt Vaughan]

What do we think?

$1/$2 Home Game No Limit Holdem

Stacks:
UTG ($468) 234bb
UTG+1 ($211) 106bb
scourrge (CO) ($183) 92bb
BTN ($277) 139bb
SB ($360) 180bb
BB ($421) 211bb

Pre-Flop: ($4, 6 players) scourrge is CO 9:heart: J:club:
[UTG+1 posts $1]
2 folds, scourrge raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: 8:heart: 2:spade: 10:heart: ($20, 3 players)
BB checks, scourrge bets $14, BTN calls $14, BB calls $14

Turn: J:heart: ($62, 3 players)
BB checks, scourrge bets $36, BTN folds, BB folds

Final Pot: $62

scourrge wins $95 (net +$39)

BB lost $20
BTN lost $20

 

[duggs]

I likey

 

[Mase31683]

I think it's amazing you have people that will play with you. My friends won't play a poker night with me where $10 goes to buying in and $5 to food and beer

 

[extreme911]

I guess i dont know how to handle maniacs....


IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $1.22 (30.5 bb)
BB: $5.47 (136.8 bb) (82/24/9/33.3)
MP: $6.85 (171.3 bb)
CO: $1.71 (42.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.58 (139.5 bb) (26/16/3.7/8.6)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Jh Qd
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, SB folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.34) Th 7h Jc (2 players)
BB bets $0.24, Hero raises to $0.48, BB raises to $0.72, Hero calls $0.24

Turn: ($1.78) 2s (2 players)
BB bets $4.59 and is all-in

What do you do? With 82% he plays pretty much every hand

 

[duggs]

fold

 

[loafes]

Really weird hand

*Hold'em No Limit, $0.02 / $0.05 (6-handed) - Played on PokerStars. Converted by GrinderSchool's Hand History Converter

Seat 1: Btn ($13.65 in chips)
Seat 2: SB ($7.43 in chips)
Seat 3: BB ($9.56 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG ($15.29 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (MP) ($8.79 in chips)
Seat 6: CO ($5.85 in chips)

SB posts small blind $0.02
BB posts big blind $0.05

PreFlop: Dealt to HERO [K

K

]
UTG folds, HERO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.30, BB folds, HERO calls $0.15

*** FLOP *** A

5

3

(Pot=$0.65)
SB checks, HERO checks

*** TURN *** 3

(Pot=$0.65)
SB bets $0.05, HERO raises to $0.25, SB calls $0.20

*** River *** 8

(Pot=$1.15)
SB bets $0.05, HERO calls $0.05

*** Showdown *** (Pot=$1.25)

Thoughts I feel like I played every street wrong

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Reraise pre for pure value, flop is okay but I'm usually betting because what Ax does he realistically check? We're ahead most of the time imo. Turn raise is fine but go bigger, your raise size is 1/3 pot. Raise river. I think we're ahead like 100% to 2nd pair in his hand most of the time. 99-QQ a TON of the time. Maybe some 77. If he played AA or AK this way good for him, but even if he does, he's probably reraising AA if we make it a normal size, so we can easily r/f.

 

[loafes]

Yeah that's pretty much what I was thinking for improvements. Pre I've found that whilst a lot of players will 3bet plenty of hands, they're snap folding a ton to 4 bets especially when it's ep-sb type thing. He also only doubled which is usually weak or AA I thought flatting gets value from alot of marginal holdings, but I'm sure you're right that 4bet/get it in is best. Plus if he has Ax I'm hiving him the chance to flop an ace.

The flop I checked back not so much because I'm concerned about a ton of Ax but more because I think he has weak made hands or totally missed. If he missed the board then checking back may induce a bluff from like broadways or sc type hands (non spade since spades bet the flop) and I figure that I'm not getting 3 streets from worse hands and most hands that I beat don't have many ways to outdraw me so no need to protect my equity. I was thinking I can just get value from worse PPs on the turn and maybe river as well. But to be honest I'm kind of with you that simply betting the flip for value is best since he has lower PPs a ton of the time.

Turn was a misclick, I meant to make it 30c but this is probably still too small. I was intending to bet 40c if checked to so should have made it about 40 after this shitty min bet.
On River is where I messed up the most though. I was intending to raise river since villains range is lower PPs the vast majority of the time but something held me back and I just had a feeling. I can't describe it. Maybe I was remembering a hand some guy posted who had the nuts and took villains exact line to try to induce. Previously I'd just always interpreted this as being weakness by villains. Incidently raise fold didn't occur to me. No idea why since it's so obvious

Spoiler

Villain actually had AA so by some fluke I managed to lose the minimum

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah but our default line here is to bet flop, probably check turn (since QQ- will fold to a second bet on the turn) and then bet river to get hero'd since our line looks FOS. So if he shows aggression at any point we're just bet/folding. His exact hand is irrelevant. His range is the key.

But even once we check back flop, same thing applies. We can r/f with extreme profitability even if he plays AA the same way. It's not like he's going to min-b/3b air or whatever, so r/f should still work. Make a note on this guy. He 2x'd vs your open, then checked when he made top set, and min-bet twice. I'm guessing he's not doing that with air, though he may do it both with monsters AND marginal SDV hands (for different reasons in his head of course).

 

[ScottishMatt]

1 - ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 104.6 BB (VPIP: 48.82, PFR: 25.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 128)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 16)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.17, PFR: 16.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 140)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 111.8 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) 2:spade: 4:club: 3:diamond:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (30 BB, 3 players) 5:diamond:
SB bets 19 BB, BB calls 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (87 BB, 3 players) 4:heart:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 82.8 BB and is all-in, SB calls 71 BB and is all-in, fold


2 - ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 154.3 BB (VPIP: 45.33, PFR: 25.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 76)
SB: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 70.7 BB (VPIP: 28.30, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 55)
Hero (MP): 213.1 BB
CO: 105.7 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:spade: 7:spade:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond: 4:spade: T:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, BTN calls 6.3 BB, SB raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 13.7 BB, fold

Turn: (56.3 BB, 2 players) 8:diamond:
SB bets 40 BB, Hero raises to 128.3 BB, SB calls 39.8 BB and is all-in

River: (215.9 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:

 

[micromachine]

AJs - check it back OTR and save yourself the rake, unlikely that worse than Ax is calling a shove there

87s - Looks good, you have plenty of outs, and you block sets of 8s and 7s. Folding the turn sucks and calling then folding is out of the question so I like shoving.

 

[Angelface]

Interested to hear from a few guys that have earn rates over large sample sizes (25k min) as to what ptbb/100 figures are attainable these days in micro's up to NL10 and if ABC is highly profitable which although I suspect it is.......haven't played below NL50 in ages

 

[Angelface]

1 - ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 104.6 BB (VPIP: 48.82, PFR: 25.20, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 128)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 16)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.17, PFR: 16.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 140)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BTN): 111.8 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♠ A♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) 2♠ 4♣ 3♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (30 BB, 3 players) 5♦
SB bets 19 BB, BB calls 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (87 BB, 3 players) 4♥
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 82.8 BB and is all-in, SB calls 71 BB and is all-in, fold


2 - ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 154.3 BB (VPIP: 45.33, PFR: 25.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 76)
SB: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.82, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 70.7 BB (VPIP: 28.30, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 55)
Hero (MP): 213.1 BB
CO: 105.7 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 76)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♠ 7♠

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 7♦ 4♠ T♠
SB checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, BTN calls 6.3 BB, SB raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 13.7 BB, fold

Turn: (56.3 BB, 2 players) 8♦
SB bets 40 BB, Hero raises to 128.3 BB, SB calls 39.8 BB and is all-in

River: (215.9 BB, 2 players) 4♥

At higher levels the SB bluffing range is too tiny and given the fact that their flush draw combo's are reduced because of us holding them and the fact that their flop c/r line is into two players clearly indicates that they are taking a value c/r line. So we need to overtake their value raise so we may need to make a flush if villain is not value raising the flop and stacking off with hands like A-10.

Sets have to be considered on this board and if villain has a made hand then our two pair is marginal at best. I hate these levels though because there are enough wacky lines being taken to muddy the waters as to what to do with two pair especially when villain only has 16 hands of data

 

[Angelface]

I was speaking about hand number two by the way

 

[micromachine]

Interested to hear from a few guys that have earn rates over large sample sizes (25k min) as to what ptbb/100 figures are attainable these days in micro's up to NL10 and if ABC is highly profitable which although I suspect it is.......haven't played below NL50 in ages

My recent (last 20k or so hands) winrate at 10nl is around 15bb/100 but I've been running above EV and quite a bit of that is from the deepstack tables. I imagine someone such as yourself who normally plays higher could achieve at least 10bb/100 at 2nl, probably more like 15-20bb/100 and at least 5-10bb/100 at 10nl playing ABC poker.

 

[duggs]

I have like 7bb at around 80k at 50nl above EV and deep tho

 

[Angelface]

My recent (last 20k or so hands) winrate at 10nl is around 15bb/100 but I've been running above EV and quite a bit of that is from the deepstack tables. I imagine someone such as yourself who normally plays higher could achieve at least 10bb/100 at 2nl, probably more like 15-20bb/100 and at least 5-10bb/100 at 10nl playing ABC poker.

Thanks for that but I don't think decent win rates are automatic. I play NL100 FR mainly but find that I often spew when I have messed around at NL10. This is where I think many higher stakes players take winning at small stakes for granted. I think the strategy adjustments would be simple and would be interested to hear your thoughts on what adjustments need to be made for NL10 or less. I would imagine greater implied odds and higher profits with value ranges.

 

[duggs]

Only thing that changes is population assumptions, assume more passive, looser and less sophisticated. That said winning 100nl default play would still crush lower stakes

 

[Logan2]

I think anyone winning 50nl-100nl with a good clip can easy get 2 digit WR on 2-10nl.


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[Wickedonesin]

I was doing very well at 4nl for first few days. Then took a small hit on Friday (July 4th) and took some time away from the cash tables. Hit a few freerolls and $2.20 tournies and ended up bagging $36 for the 3 day weekend! Add that to the $10 I started with and I am actually starting to build a BR for 4nl now. Will need to hit those cash tables more this week.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Nice job! Definitely try to stick to cash as much as possible imo. Tourneys are a ton of fun, and they can be nice for a break from the cash grind, but cash games will always be the most consistent and lowest variance.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Recently been watching some cash videos and reading up on some cash strategy just to get myself back into the 100bb+ poker game. Added some cash games to my MTT grind recently to try reduce the $$ swings in MTT's and my ever so diminishing bankroll from them. Currently on like a $900 MTT downswing which obviously you get used to after a while but still can't help it effect you mentally sometimes so elected to continue grind those but just try win some cash on the side so I can continue grinding the same MTT's. Started off at 5nl to just get back into the swings of playing cash again and going for 50k hands this month, blasted out nearly 14k hands so far this month so if I don't lose motivation should be able to reach target.

Moved up to 10nl/16nl and very recently some 25bl 6max FR 10nl - 25nl deep.

Always nice to get off to a good start, think I'm playing well and decent win rate obviously small samples but I'll take it.

 

[loafes]

I've been running shit this month and having disregarded BRM and going busto has made me realise some things. For 1 my success in poker has gone to my head. I no longer seem to have the discipline and patients to run up rolls from rags like I've done multiple times before. Also playing solely from my phone is seriously effecting my profitability. I still believe I have an edge in micro games but I've started to notice my play isn't consistent, and playing everything under rolled without the ability to put in tons of volume means that alot of things that didn't effect me before are now starting to tilt me very easily.

What I've come to realise is that expecting results just because I have an edge over all has put me in to the wrong state of mind. Trying to put pressure on myself to perfom when I don't have the means to maximize my profitability is having negative consequences. So I've made the decision to stop 'grinding'. Instead I'm going to learn to enjoy poker again. I was originally drawn to poker not because of money reasons but because of the intellectual stimulation it provided, money considerations came later when I realised that poker offered realistic chances for young intelligent guys like me to actually make real money with very little outlay. I want to get back to playing because I enjoy playing and not feeling like I have to win constantly.

With that in mind I've decided to give some non golden games ago, maybe at some point they'll make me some money due to how terrible a lot of players are at new games. The micro millions should offer some good games to try. So far stud has turned out to be a real money maker for me (in comparison with the stakes) I've played like 5 sessions with success in all. Also tried Razz, didn't do well at first during my only session so far, but once we were short handed and I'd played for a bit something just clicked and I started playing very well and got back to even. Anyway here's a stud hand, I guess just because I wanted a stud hand to post. What do we think about calling with just a wheel draw/A with 2 showing. The guy is pretty tight but it's hu and I can make him fold a lot on tons of run outs











I figure I'll concentrate on work for a while. I have a work function on Saturday and can't even deposit for about two weeks. Once I get moved from casual to part time at work and then can get a laptop I'll start making a real go at poker again, and make my own thread at that point. For now I'll just try to enjoy poker and not lose my last $3 in my account.



Edit: lol the hand won't post. Which was the point of the post here. I'll try to fix it.